[Forum Game] - World in Revolution: 1861

[reis91]

OOC: Ever heard of honour? It was kinda a big thing in this time period.

OOC: And which is kinda absent from most countries in this game, including your own.

Please IC, by the way. If you're going to be hypocritical, do it IC.

[Duke of Britain]

The Spanish have yet again showed their lack of honour, with their sneaky strategy against the brave Americans on Havana.
We send our condolences to the American families, i am sure that your government will make the Spanish pay for what they have done.

We support the American liberation of the Spanish colonies, they have proved to be flawed administrators with no sense of honour or justice.

[Seek75]

Tell that to the people of Georgia and the "total war" you conducted.

OOC: You do realize Sherman's actions are highly controversial to this day, right?

[von_Rundstedt]

OOC: You do realize Sherman's actions are highly controversial to this day, right?

The point? This is the 19th century - it's full of nastiness. Such a large outrage over a tactical trick while fending off invaders doesn't fit quite well.

[reis91]

OOC: Yep, this isn't Crusader Kings...

[Muskeato]

The point? This is the 19th century - it's full of nastiness. Such a large outrage over a tactical trick while fending off invaders doesn't fit quite well.

OOC: Nastiness sure, but trickery against fellow civilised peoples? It's unheard of!

Also, reis, I don't really get your point. This isn't Shogun Total War or EU3 either.

[DoomBunny]

OOC: This certainly isn't pointless. This certainly isn't simple OOC spam, something y'all could use the IRC for.

[Culise]

OOC: Though, to be fair, it is an era where nations felt so strongly about this sort of this stuff, they actually got together and made a bunch of rules on how to fight a "clean" war, including banning perfidious surrenders. It's not for another five decades, but that's the sort of thought that went around in this era; for that matter, the perfidy (in its technical use) of the Havana governor and resultant devastation of the city could become a defining event that inspires the Hague accords in-game. For that matter, this era was one that glorified the ideal of the medieval era. Actual medieval warfare was a lot dirtier than Victorian dreams about medieval warfare.

Rounding up the Boers and putting them all in fortified camps? Sure. Setting up machine gun posts and mowing down the savages as they attempt to defend their homes against your rapacious advance gentle and enlightened rule? Par for the course. Claiming to surrender, then knifing the other person in the back? Oy...consider yourself lucky if the enemy ever accepts a surrender from you again.

[reis91]

OOC: It was made for a reason, Culise. The reason being that most nations engaged in such tactics when it was convenient. And, technically, the guys who surrendered didn't stab anyone. We just omitted that there were still troops that had not surrendered.

[DoomBunny]

OOC: Ok, lets put it simply seeing as you don't seem to be catching on.

Stop posting here. Use IRC for stuff like this.

[Edzako]

Ottoman Empire

Ottoman Empire would like to express our concern on ongoing reaction by foreign dignitaries towards Spanish-American war.

Yes, Spanish Monarch have joined or being drawn into several wars.

But it's it his decision to make and biggest part of Spain's citizens, at least until recently, have supported him in his decisions.

It's fair to say that he have overstretched Spain's capacity to wage war, that his decisions have proved unwise, at least in light of current development, or that he have done a poor job of securing allies, or at least evading wrath of more powerful states.

But it's unacceptable to throw around insults against Spanish state, that have little or no connections to reality. Calling Spain slavery supporting tyrants is hypocrisy from the mouths of those that abolished it just a few years ago or where it's still in effect in one form or another.

Same with "backwardness" and "corruption". While Spain may not be leading the world right now it's still far ahead of some of those, that accuse it of being remnant of feudal times.

And to be fair, as much as we value American friendship their and Columbian action can only be interpreted as old, plain land grab. Otherwise we would be alarmed, that one nation can attack another based on such a shaky ground. After all Americans have their own problems with Indians and have used force to put down their revolutions.


Signed, Sultan Abdülmecid.

[Edzako]

OOC: Doom, can you please clear your inbox ?

[KeldoniaSkylar]

The United Kingdoms of Sweden, Norway, and Finland would like to condemn the actions of the Spanish governor of Havana. Such actions are an affront to the Law of Nations and set a foul precedence for future wars. Furthermore, such actions are detrimental possibility of future surrenders and will likely only lead to greater bloodshed.

[reis91]

The Kingdom of Spain is puzzled by the unexplainable condemnations of the actions of Spanish soldiers and Cuban militia, how can they be considered honorless, when they have fought to the best of their ability, face to face with their foes, who shamefully retreated and proceeded to attempt to level the entire city? If anything, it is US Army conduct, retreating from battle and proceeding to conduct indiscriminate terror shelling, which is utterly disgraceful and a stain on the already tarnished reputation of the United States Military.

A portion of the Spanish military decided to surrender, the forces under direct command of the governor, who acted against the wishes of the Kingdom of Spain, which were expressed in the order to defend Havana at all costs. The other forces, being under the command of the Tercio de Cuba, who do not answer to the Governor, decided not to surrender, and organized themselves to ambush the US forces.

It would seem that these nations defend that obtaining the surrender of a small portion of the army forces the entire army to surrender. I hope I do not have to elaborate on the great merits of such a line of argumentation.

We are concerned that so many rulers of nations can be swayed by the threat of brutality, implicit in the actions of the United States, and choose to represent their interests, rather than your own people's. We commend the Ottomans, in spite of our not so few disagreements, on having enough sense and courage to speak up against this barbarism. One does really have to wonder who are the truly civilized peoples here.

[Congo]

OOC: Thanks to Spain this game is interesting

[DoomBunny]

The Conference and Treaty of Balmoral



The signatories of this Treaty hereby agree, upon their honour as Gentlemen, their integrity as leaders and their decency as men of civilised nations that they shall uphold the Treaty in its entirety. They hereby agree to the following articles.

1. That Afrika shall be divided by claims and spheres of influence as shown in the map below, each nation recognising the claims and sphere of the other nations and agreeing not to violate them. They agree, that in the event of a wish to renegotiate boundaries and ownership of land with another signatory, that they shall approach them diplomatically, and not unduly start a war.

Red -British Empire
Blue - French Empire
Black - German Empire
Dark Red - Ottoman Empire
Light Blue - The United Kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Finland
Brown - The Kingdom of Belgium
White - The American Protectorate of Liberia
Orange - The Kingdom of the Netherlands
Green - The Empire of Brazil
(Despite what it may look like, Suez is blue and belongs to France)

2. The transfer of 530 Gold Units from the British Empire to The United Kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Finland in return for the acquisition of their territories in Namibia and Tanzania, which are shown as British per the map.

3. The transfer of 80 Gold Units from the French Empire to The United Kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Finland in return for the acquisition of their territories in the Gulf of Guinea.

4. Liberia shall ever remain independent and free from any influence other than that of the Unites States. All signatories guarantee its borders against aggression.

5. Any previous Treaty or agreement which conflicts with this Treaty is still valid in all articles, except those articles altered by this Treaty, in which case this Treaty takes precedence.

6. The signatories hereby agree that they shall take steps to fight slavery and implement a ban upon it in areas shown as their claims on the map, as best they can.

7. The United Kingdoms of Sweden, Norway and Finland shall lowers tariffs to 20% on exports to the British Empire, 15% on Kaoline exports to the British Empire and allow the British Empire to mine Kaoline within their lands.

8. The British Empire shall construct a railroad from Stockholm to Helsinki. The British Empire shall construct a railroad along a route running Buffalo-New York-Philadelphia.

9. The United States shall lower tariffs on Kaoline exported to the British Empire to 22% and allow the British Empire to mine Kaoline within their lands.

10. The German Empire shall lower tariffs on Kaoline exported to the British Empire to 20% and allow the British Empire to mine Kaoline within their lands.

[X] - William Ewart Gladstone, Prime Minister of His Majesties government acting on behalf of His Imperial Majesty The King-Emperor Edward, by the Grace of God, of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of India
[] - Kaiser Frederick of Germany
[] - Emperor Napoleon III of France
[] - President Abraham Lincoln of the United States
[] - Sultan Abdülmecid I of the Ottoman Empire
[] - King Leopold I of Belgium
[] - President Daniel Bashiel Warner of Liberia
[] - King William III of the Netherlands
[] - King Karl XV of The United Kingdom of Sweden, Norway and Finland
[] - Emperor Dom Pedro II of Brazil
[] - Queen Isabelle II
[] - King Frederick VII of Denmark

OOC: Thanks to all those that helped out with this, and to those that agreed to give up some of their claims to make sure this went smoothly. Hopefully now WW2 wont start in Afrika.

[Muskeato]

[X] - President Abraham Lincoln of the United States

[OConner]

The Emperor is outraged that Austria was not included in these negotiations!

[Mr. Santiago]

OOC: And thus the organized partition of Afrika begins

[Edzako]

Signed, Sultan Abdülmecid

We would like to thank British for their initiative for civilized resolution to this problem.