I was speaking OTL, dunno about ingame.
Anyway, there's quite a story for Brazilian naval mutinies as well... clearly a sign of that fabled Brazilian leadership
And you can't compare armadas without tactics, I'm afraid.
Edit : I could only find Brazillian Ironclads after 1865.
Edit 2: I'm quite sure that Spain had steamers in 1861, too.
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Precisely.Originally Posted by Duke of Britain
OOC : These mutinies were all during the republican period, the navy didn't really like the republic, the republic never liked the navy a lot as well because the navy was very pro-monarchy in general and its leaders often desired to restore it.I was speaking OTL, dunno about ingame.
Anyway, there's quite a story for Brazilian naval mutinies as well... clearly a sign of that fabled Brazilian leadership
And you can't compare armadas without tactics, I'm afraid.
Edit : I could only find Brazillian Ironclads after 1865.
Edit 2: I'm quite sure that Spain had steamers in 1861, too.
That's why the Brazilian navy devolved so much from what it was.(same for the brazilian per capita ratings, that were as high as the ones from the USA at one point, really, the old republic screwed Brazil so much...it's like if it was two different countries)
Yes, Brazil started producing ironclads somewhere around 1865, in 1866 they finished the first ones built in Brazil (the first two were bought from France in 1865)
About the brazilian leadership, it was good...
As for spanish steamers, i don't think they had ALL their navy or most of it being steamers (unlike Brazil, who by 1864 had a pure-steamer armada of 40 modern ships, later it would gain a good ammount of ironclads)
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OOC: You count steam engines, I prefer to count cannons
And you're facing four fleets, not just my own.
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OOC : Four fleets? The Uruguayan one is pretty much non-existant, the paraguayan one was destroyed and the Argentine one, let's be fair, wouldn't be present on that first naval skimirsh, and even if it was it would probably make little difference.OOC: You count steam engines, I prefer to count cannons
And you're facing four fleets, not just my own.
As for cannons, the 40 Brazilian ships in 1864 combined had around/more than 250 cannons.
You mean the one that is twice as big as yours?
OOC : Mine is non-existant atm, tough you might consider that if i had OTL Brazilian fleet your entire alliance would possibly have no fleet anymoreYou mean the one that is twice as big as yours?
Fair enough. If it was OTL we'd have the army supremacy instead, which is more important.OOC : Mine is non-existant atm, tough you might consider that if i had OTL Brazilian fleet your entire alliance would possibly have no fleet anymore
OOC : Tough if i had discovered a link about the size and power of the brazilian navy before 1862 i would have both a strong army and navy.
I'm going to speak the truth, i actually gave up from trying to increase the size of my navy in 1861 because i feared Fry would think i was trying to create an OP Brazil, as i had no links to anything that would prove the size (and power) of the fleet. ( i had already bugged him a few times to icnrease Brazilian industry, navy, army and so on because it was way too low)
Well, now we have to cope with what we get, what is done is done, the game goes on.
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Since 1820 the Philippine Dynasty, Portugal's civil code had been a chaotic and uncompiled system of laws, which many had realized required reform. But, after early attempts failed to rationalize these laws, and a unified code based on the French Civil Code was disavowed, the Portuguese courts continued to function using the Ordenações Filipinas (1603), which simple reforms of the Manualino codes (1521). But by 1850, judge António Luís de Seabra wrote A Propreiedade: Filosofia do Direto (English: Property: Philosophy of Law) which was adapted in 1867 as the new Portuguese Civil Code. It was unique for European civil codes, in its characterization of laws in terms of the person and property; it was divided into four sections: the person, the acquisition of goods, goods, and the defense of those goods or rights. Seabra's rationalization would be long lasting (1867–1967), and would be the basis for, in the terminology of the Code: the judicial person, acquisition of laws, property, crimes and judgments.
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