OOC: As I said in PM, so long as the GM verifies this costs me no more land than is already being lost in the Versailles treaty it is signed so this IC post only applies if that is true.
[X] Napoleon III Emperor of the French
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[X] Napoleon III Emperor of the French
We have not demanded Catalonia from the French. They are a sovereign nation and we recognize their authority over the territories in France's ante bellum borders, with the exception of the Algerians, who have recognized the Kingdom of Spain as their legitimate rulers.
Catalonia is yours to rule, until you accept the Treaty of Geneva, which intends to take French territory and create an independent nation, and we oppose such treaty by principle.
Now, if you were to speak of La Invicta, that area is under Spanish rule already, and therefore we do not have to demand it from anyone. We have sovereignty over La Invicta, affirmed in international treaties signed by nations who now seek to go back on the words of their ancestors.
The demands of the Kingdom of Spain are simple, and do not involve La Invicta or the French formerly Aragonese and Navarran lands, about which we accept France's sovereignty. They are not an issue in contention, despite your best efforts to hoodwink the international community into thinking it is.
The Kingdom of Spain demands the cession of Algeria, whose representatives, nominated by the Algerian people, have chosen to join the Kingdom of Spain, and volunteered to help our forces against the French Imperialists, and we recognize their decision. We remind that the so-called representatives of the Catalan people who declared the annexation of the lands in the former region of Catalonia into France had to be escorted by French Guards throughout the streets of Barcelona and Valencia, such was the support for French-paid traitors, whereas any Spanish man is free to walk through Oran without escorts or arms, threat of banditry aside.
The Kingdom of Spain also requires indemnities to damage caused to the people of La Invicta, during French occupation. If France's concern about the people of La Invicta is truthful, then they should not believe this to be an unfair demand.
Last, the Kingdom of Spain requires two of the newest French large ships, to make up for damages which have rendered some of our ships unfit for further duty.
OOC: As I said in PM, so long as the GM verifies this costs me no more land than is already being lost in the Versailles treaty it is signed so this IC post only applies if that is true.
[X] Napoleon III Emperor of the French
OOC: It costs you Roussillon, I believe.
OOC: Bets on the United Commonwealth of the Socialist Workers? (sorry for uninspired name, I might drop a note to Marx later to discuss names for his new nation)
OOC: He said he clarified it with the GM beforehand. I just want final GM clarification. And no clue why you think reissuing the same demands changes anything. :huh:
OOC: I dropped out the marriage, out of sympathy for Infanta Isabel. Wasn't that what you've been doing in the last pages?
OOC: Why in gods name are you still asking for peace on your terms when France has just signed a document stating they support the creation of Catalonia?
Could some of the diplomatic bickering move to China, please? Pretty boring over here!
OOC: Well Diplomacy is rather Simple Over here. Everyone tries to grab a peace of me and your an unrecognised Rebel state of Christian Heretics there isn't much to be diplomatically Bickering about. (Unless you count that Boer Declaration which seemed to be supporting you no ones on your side properly anyway. Equally I've no on my side)
OOC: Sounds like the perfidious Albion's just being perfidious as usual. Really, in this era, Great Powers involving themselves in the business of the lesser nations and making treaties on their "behalf" without even deigning to speak to them is normal. Spain is still smarting about Olivença, the transfer of which to Portugal without consulting Spain was the reason Spain didn't sign the final treaty for two years, and they still maintain de facto control over it even today. Even without signing that peace treaty, though, Spain wasn't capable of invading Portugal or France. In the Balkans, the Great Powers all marched in after San Stefano and overrode the original treaty to make it more favorable to the balance of power, even though they never fought in the war at all; Bulgaria wasn't even included in the new round of negotiations. Even earlier, the British, French, and Russians banded together and decided (also without Greek input) that the new Greek state would be a monarchy, with a candidate of their choice. Sure, it may be ridiculous from a Spanish viewpoint IC, but as far as the era is concerned, from an OOC perspective and from the IC perspectives of the other nations, it's just business as usual. :closedeyes:
es, I'm not saying that they can't attempt that, hell, that's pretty much the basis for 19th century UK. I'm just saying it is utterly despicable and should be condemned by the international community, attempting to set it against the United Kingdom, while simultaneously defending the prestige of Spain, which was on a decline. It will be fun to see how this develops out.
There's also the matter of how would the independence movements in British lands would see Britain releasing other countries while repressing their desires for independence.
IC in a bit.
There's also the matter of how would the independence movements in British lands would see Britain releasing other countries while repressing their desires for independence.
IC in a bit.
OOC: It was you descion do declare war. And your reason is laughable. You must face the consequences for your actions
Like that Balkan Slav state people wanted to establish? Didn't you also sign that treaty?
Like that Balkan Slav state people wanted to establish? Didn't you also sign that treaty?
OOC: Nope. We actually wanted, as strange as it might seem, to, you know, actually hear the opinion of the people there...
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