Assimilation

[FoX111]

When I was asking how fast assimilation is gonna be in AHD questions & answers thread, i was told its gonna be much slower than before.
Its not. Playing as Russia, year 1880 and greek people almost dont exist anymore, balkan under ottomans is just one big red stain on the nationality map, there is like 18% of armenians in Armenia, Azerbaijan & Finland are filled with russians too, Canada & Australia are like second bangladesh. I stopped playing vic2 because of this, it just ruins the game for me.

[Foxbyte]

Are you sure those people are being assimilated, or maybe they're just migrating out, or Russians are migrating in and filling the empty RGOs? I just checked my game, and between 1836 and 1885, Finnish went from 2.3% of Russia's total population down to 1.7%. That isn't a very big difference.

Edit; I'll try some math.

1836: 2.3% of 15.33 million is about 352.59 thousand Finns.

1856: 2.0% of 16.28 million is about 325.6 thousand Finns.

1885: 1.7% of 15.32 million is about 260.44 thousand Finns.

That seems like pretty reasonable to me, really. Could use a little toning down, but it isn't nearly as bad as it looks given a glance at the provincial population stats.

It would be neat to see migration/immigration locked to what cores each provinces have. IE, Finnish pops will only migrate between provinces with Finnish cores on them, and if you go conquering land as an American nation, immigration will only target provinces that you personally have cores on. Colonial provinces would be exempt from this, I suppose.

Ottomans!

1836: 13.7% of 5.10 million is about 698.70 thousand Greeks.

1856: 11.8% of 5.31 million is about 626.58 thousand Greeks.

1885: 10.9% of 4.91 million is about 535.19 thousand Greeks.

You have to remember that it isn't just assimilation; they could be emmigrating, too. Global stats on a certain nationality's population, regardless of nation, would be a handy thing to have but I'm too lazy to make something to skim save files and grab them.

[zarinth]

If anything I want more ethnic minorities to migrate to newly establish territories. Do you have colonies?

[Turtlezilla]

If anything I want more ethnic minorities to migrate to newly establish territories. Do you have colonies?

I see this happening a lot. As an example USA I conquered Cuba and I saw quite a bit of African Americans migrating there. It was pretty cool.

[EMT0]

What's not cool though is seeing your states depopulate to fuel a colony. For example, west of the Urals in 1930 in my current Brazil game, Russia has 0 provinces over 90k POPs. East of the Urals, in Vladivostok, Russia has 400k POPs. Russia conquered a Chinese state along the Yellow River, and this state has 2.4M POPs. 48% of them are Russian. Another province in that same state is 25% Byelorussian and has a population of 1.6M POPs. Who needs assimilation, when half your country moves to the colonies?

[Foxbyte]

What's not cool though is seeing your states depopulate to fuel a colony. For example, west of the Urals in 1930 in my current Brazil game, Russia has 0 provinces over 90k POPs. East of the Urals, in Vladivostok, Russia has 400k POPs. Russia conquered a Chinese state along the Yellow River, and this state has 2.4M POPs. 48% of them are Russian. Another province in that same state is 25% Byelorussian and has a population of 1.6M POPs. Who needs assimilation, when half your country moves to the colonies?

I wish my POPs would move to colonies. American nationals tend to stay at home no matter what nice new lands you acquire though totally legitimate means.

That one province sounds crazy though. Maybe they'll start trickling back when they find out that all 1.6 million of them can't work the RGO there?

[thegerman2008]

assimilation is fine. however, i did increase the assimilation rate an hour or two ago.

Natural population growth needs to be boosted (by A LOT) in my opinion to offset the fact 60% of your country moves to the colonies.

[Foxbyte]

assimilation is fine. however, i did increase the assimilation rate an hour or two ago.

Natural population growth needs to be boosted (by A LOT) in my opinion to offset the fact 60% of your country moves to the colonies.

Not if you're a country in the Americas. Then almost no one will move to your colonies.

You could try increasing population growth in your game, Victoria 2 is incredibly mod-friendly. Check out /common/defines.lua for a tag called BASE_POPGROWTH. Set it to the percentage you want to boost global population growth by. For example, 0.05 will boost it by 5% [ which is still pretty huge], and setting it to 1 will cause population to double on a monthly basis.

0.005 might be a good setting. Gives a province of 64k about 316 growth. Which isn't too shabby. This might still wreak havoc on the market though, as the economy is designed with a certain growth rate in mind...

Edit: I highly recommend setting it to 1, just to watch the world burn.

[Maggix]

The assimilation is still broken: I can gladly give you a screen shot of my red Balkans and a completely blue Africa.

I'm not really into modding, but in my opinion every culture should have "cores". While being on those cores the culture does not, or only in a small frame, assimilate. Now if Polish POPs decide to move to Siberia they'll eventually assimilate into Russian POPs (because Russians have cores on Siberia).

This would not apply if, e.g. Great Britain has a colony in Africa: As long as a "X"-culture POP is inside the borders of a country which "X" as accepted or primary culture.

In America the same system as above would apply, only with the difference that immigrants to the colonies of European countries with Sub-Cultures (Anglo- and French-Canadian) would assimilate to these Sub-Cultures.

[FoX111]

Wow, this is completely wrong. There is like 10% of finnish people in finland now, Balkan is almost completely turkish, Baltic states are completely russian, Norway is like 50% swedish..and I could continue...year 1900.

[GanguGengu]

Wow, this is completely wrong. There is like 10% of finnish people in finland now, Balkan is almost completely turkish, Baltic states are completely russian, Norway is like 50% swedish..and I could continue...year 1900.

I noticed this too. But I dont think its as mutch assimilation as it is migration. For some reason russians are atracted to Finland and Caucasus, making them russian in view years. Siberia gets large areas with ukrainian and belarussian majorities. Though thats actually somewhat historical. Also danish people seem to migrate to Greenland in large numbers.

POPDmod fixed this but of course its not out for AHD yet. I tried using their poptypes file, but the result was that all emigration stoped.

[FoX111]

I noticed this too. But I dont think its as mutch assimilation as it is migration. For some reason russians are atracted to Finland and Caucasus, making them russian in view years. Siberia gets large areas with ukrainian and belarussian majorities. Though thats actually somewhat historical. Also danish people seem to migrate to Greenland in large numbers.

POPDmod fixed this but of course its not out for AHD yet. I tried using their poptypes file, but the result was that all emigration stoped.

I dont think finnish people migrated anywhere. I searched all over the world and they are nowhere. Same with whole balkan, baltic states...weird. And Finland is almost empty actually, every province got around 10-30 k people.

Edit: just noticed that USA is kinda empty too. Some kind of a massive disease or ufo maybe? what the hell

[Bassewitz]

In 1900, 90% of my Belgian people are living in my colonies, because of massive emigration.

[King Size]

I noticed this too. But I dont think its as mutch assimilation as it is migration. For some reason russians are atracted to Finland and Caucasus, making them russian in view years. Siberia gets large areas with ukrainian and belarussian majorities. Though thats actually somewhat historical. Also danish people seem to migrate to Greenland in large numbers.

POPDmod fixed this but of course its not out for AHD yet. I tried using their poptypes file, but the result was that all emigration stoped.

I agree with this. It's all about the migration, but for some reason Paradox keeps ignoring it. I wonder why, since this is what most people talk about.

Currently playing as Japan and conquered Brunei. 2 of provinces in the Brunei has about 70% Japanese population, all emigrated from Japan.

[d98mp]

I agree with Maggix and the idea of "cultural cores".

But there should also be at least one more setting controlling assimilation. AFAIK Finland did belong to Russia but they did have some amount of autonomy and that should lower the factor. Other provinces of other multi cultural empires should perhaps not have such a limitation. What I'm asking for is perhaps a weaker form of cores for provinces that are at the perimeter of an empire where assimilation should be slower.

Then I think political policies should affect assimilation as well. Or perhaps that is a sensitive topic? I actually thought Residency would do that (but I think it only affects the right to vote?).

[s1234567890m]

they do limited and full citizen ship has assimialtion bonus'