Venice was played until the very last hour during last session, as was the Hansa. I don't know Milan's intentions (and fleet), nor Sweden's. Venice has five provinces, the Hansa owns three. Since you're leaving the Mamluks for want of a more enjoyable country, take the time to weigh its potential. Conduct preliminary diplomacy if it helps, the mumble server will be up shortly.Originally Posted by Alfonso V
for my part, If you decide to go as Hansa, I wont anex you, and might even be open to treaties
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An interesting session. Quick question:
Do we know for sure who will be playing Burgundy next session? Will Sid be returning, or are we going to be looking for a new perm to replace Mach?
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Sid actually reassured us he would be playing next session. Mach's the brand of his underwear, so we may play with Mach as well (it depends on his schedule, I am hoping he'll let us know).
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but no, I cant make the next session. The one after maybe though!
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I'm beginning to re-evaluate my stance on stab costs.
At first i was okay with it, but it doesent allow for any significant changes.
Right now OE would get to stab 3 in about 90 years, if it was putting everything into stab, and probably never if it didnt invest in stab. that seems over the top.
I dont even bother trying because its so ridiculously expensive, the price it would have for my country to actually pay for it is much higher than what it will cost not to, and i somehow doubt that was the intent.
Last edited by Scion; 14-03-2012 at 08:20.
I think that these are the consequences of your expansionism. Looks like it is no more game of who grabs more land at the beginning. If you agree to secede several provinces to me it will get better, you'll see
Anyway, thanks for two thrilling wars, these were my both first complete victory and disastrous defeat in EU3.
Yeah i wish it was so, but its not. it starts that way and stays that way. same as scandinavia is complaining about his 6k stab cost, which he has no way of paying.I think that these are the consequences of your expansionism. Looks like it is no more game of who grabs more land at the beginning. If you agree to secede several provinces to me it will get better, you'll see
Anyway, thanks for two thrilling wars, these were my both first complete victory and disastrous defeat in EU3.
i realize that rich small european nations with homogenous culture dont have as big problems, but they also dont need to westernize, so they dont have to be at -4 innovativeness.
i find that the base cost with percentile modifiers adds up to most of the cost.
Edit:
Just to elaborate, then the reason its a problem now, is because i decided to "change everything", thereby going to -3 stab.
i changed two ideas and my government type (figure i might as well change that while i was at -3).
Last edited by Scion; 14-03-2012 at 09:59.
Changing government (or any action that lowers stability) while being at -3 is obviously gamey and should be made impossible by the mod.
About stab costs: you can try do the test by having OE owning only Turkish culture, cored, Mulsim provinces. Will it be that hard to westernize?
Stab costs should probably be much lower for primary culture true religion provinces. But current Ottoman empire borders should be almost impossibly to keep I believe.
I'll comment on Scion's stability considerations later. For the moment I will merely remark that I have been in awe of Kate Bush for years, and that Peter Gabriel is an amazingly talented song writer!
current ottoman empire is tiny compared to the historical one, so if its impossible to keep these borders then the mod is not reinforcing historical behaviour.
westernization is still mostly limited by the usual problem, administration 7 kings, all the other requirements were met and that was in fact why i decided to change these ideas around now, i can see that my heir is also going to be an adm 6, so i cant use him to westernize either.
Ottoman_Empire_16-17th_century.jpg
On a sidenote, then i did try in a test game to release "everything", even took church attendance duty, the end result was pretty much the same though, income and stab costs were both reduced by approximately the same amount.
Last edited by Scion; 14-03-2012 at 10:56.
Exactly! This is why they were able to westernize only in 19th century!
And if you look carefully you will notice that Kiev is not part of Ottoman Empire, I suggest that we together work on solving this misunderstanding
Sure, its my core, not yoursExactly! This is why they were able to westernize only in 19th century!
And if you look carefully you will notice that Kiev is not part of Ottoman Empire, I suggest that we together work on solving this misunderstanding
Regarding westernization, then what i was thinking about yesterday, is that perhaps the greatest flaw of eu3, is the whole tech group concept and how its managed.
people in "eastern" and ottoman tech groups were not retarded and militarily incompetent, but in the game they become that, in part because of slower tech speed, but mostly because of the neighbour bonus issue, as western you have all sorts of little opms giving you neighbour bonus to everything you dont tech yourself.
another problem could be the issue of how military tactics works, perhaps military tactics should increase in smaller intervals, i dont recall any wars in the eu3 timeframe where one country came up with a new technology or tactic that meant they could annhilate everyone for 10-20 years.
Last edited by Scion; 14-03-2012 at 11:08.
This map refers to the Ottoman Empire apogee, at the start of the 17th century — our campaign's a century from that point. Did the Ottoman Empire exert direct control over those territories (eyalets)? I ignore what went on in the Near East, but I've read about the European portions of the Ottoman Empire — Hungary was partitioned between Habsburgs and Ottomans, but large swaths of land belonged to vassals (portrayed in EU as "Transylvania" and "Wallachia").
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