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    [TIPS] General Japan Tips

    I decided to step out of the European theatre today and try my hand at unifying Japan. I chose Toki, and quickly realised a few things:

    1) You should declare war day 1. After that, everyone guarantees everyone and alliances make general expansion nearly impossible.
    2) Why keep a navy? Until you have the power base to do so, don't bother having ships. Any opponents who have to transport troops to your territory can only ship 1 or 2 men at a time, easily slaughtered as they come.
    3) Get merchants in those CoTs fast. The extra income is invaluable, only replaceable if you conquer good territory early.

    Anyone else have tips on playing a Daimyo? I'm still stumbling about with it, learning various things about the East Asian Theatre.

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    My biggest tip; be prepared to cheat when things get weird. Japan is not a healthy piece of coding right now and you will notice a good many bugs. One day in the future we might get there.

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    Thanks for the tips (and, Blxz, for the reminder of the unfinished feature... okay, okay... unstarted feature ).

    Not the first tip thread i see... i'll link it in the stickied FAQ thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigau View Post
    (and, Blxz, for the reminder of the unfinished feature... okay, okay... unstarted feature ).

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    Just doing my part to keep you on your toes

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    Yeah... an dmy toes are starting to ache
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    So what exactly are the bugs/unfinished features for Japan? I am currently in a game right now as Shimazu? Also, does anyone know how to actually form Japan? Or Become Shogun? I have conquered or vassalized 80% of the provinces, and I got promoted to Sengoku Han a while ago. But I have have never had an event or anything related to the Shogun, or becoming Shogun, or unifying Japan...

    I got into a war with Pegu because they had guaranteed Date, but now it seems impossible to make peace with them. The sue for peace button is clickable, but it instantly exits out of the negotiation window. Is this a bug? Or is it because I am not Shogun, or haven't formed Japan yet?

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    Ok, so I set my game back to a save 40 years prior to the Pegu nonsense, and played from there, but somehow Date ends up allied with pegu yet again. I don't understand how/why this is happening. I took control of Pegu to try and break all ties to Japanese kingdoms, but they are incapable of interacting with any of them--except for Japan itself. But they have no treaties or alliances or anything with Japan. So how the hell are they becoming Date's ally?

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    try to start the save with japan (the 1 province nation) and offer them a peace deal. save again, without pressing play, and start with your nation. if you are lucky, they accept (if you had enough war stand or however it's called) and you are free to play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jconwayusa View Post
    Ok, so I set my game back to a save 40 years prior to the Pegu nonsense, and played from there, but somehow Date ends up allied with pegu yet again. I don't understand how/why this is happening. I took control of Pegu to try and break all ties to Japanese kingdoms, but they are incapable of interacting with any of them--except for Japan itself. But they have no treaties or alliances or anything with Japan. So how the hell are they becoming Date's ally?
    If I had to guess, I would say it's likely a result of the trading post events... I've seen them cause alliances between daimyos before.

    And question of my own for y'all... I've heard a lot about the dissolution of the shogunate being broken. If I wanted to unite Japan by event, is there anything special I would need to do so that the game and Japan AI would work properly? (I wouldn't be playing as them.) Or would having JPN annex all the daimyos be enough?
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    Well, Japan annexing all the daimyos would essentially be the exact same thing as uniting Japan as a daimyo. JAP exists the entire time, so what happens when a daimyo unites Japan is that they inherit Japan, and then tag-switch to JAP (in that order, of course).

    So there's literally no difference between the two unifications, apart from how to get there. The end result will be identical.

    JAP doesn't have the shogunate interface either, I believe, so doing anything with it is unecessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bananafishtoday View Post
    If I had to guess, I would say it's likely a result of the trading post events... I've seen them cause alliances between daimyos before.
    I can see the trading post feature creating issues with wars, but there is no way it can create alliances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigau View Post
    I can see the trading post feature creating issues with wars, but there is no way it can create alliances.
    Isn't there an option that gives you an alliance if they sell you the province? I'm pretty sure I got an alliance with Bengal through the trading post feature in one of my games.

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    Sorry, you're right. I didn't script the feature, Fuzzbug did.... so i forgot a couple of things

    I'll scrap those aspects from the events dealing with japanese provinces, at least when they are owned by daimyos.
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    Place strategic aliances (and accept all that where proposed to you).
    DoW some beafy targets.

    Make sure you have most land in Japan.

    Become Kampoku.

    Use your new shiny CB to get VASSALS all over the map!
    Become Shogun.

    Get both decisions (or was it just one?).

    Get abdication from Shogun post.

    Become Kampoku.

    Use your new shiny CB to get VASSALS all over the map! (and few new provinces maybe?).

    Reapeat at infinitum, till you are Japan!

    (PS latter on you can disbans your land force to bare minimum, since your zombies (vassals) will do the work just fine, but keep NAVAL force at or over limit!)

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