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    Did someone say flags?
    - The Hospitaller should have Hospitaller symbols. The plain white cross on red might look too similar to other flags, but the Maltese cross (which in this timeline wouldn't become known by that name, since the Knights of St. John wouldn't be centered there) is fairly distinctive.
    - To open up possibilities, the Knights of New Jerusalem could use some derivation of the old Kingdom of Jerusalem flag - although maybe something using the crosses in Dyranum's example would look better than the mockups I have.
    - Tejas! I like this flag design (OTL supposedly a proposed flag for Texas) too much to pass it up.
    - Not that sure of what the other North American states' flags should look like (also, flag joke in the Slavorussian flags).
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    It's not the red that's bothering, it's just the fact that I want to use the awesome scandinavian commie flag designs from Ricky. Also, some form of OTL Socialism and Fascism will arise as there will be similar conditions (i.e. bad treatment of workers and what not in the case of socialism, and rabid nationalism in the case of fascism).

    Anyways, made a few more flags. However, I have met a problem: what to do with the Jagiellonian commie flag. I've currently got two ideas, both of which are on the collage below.
    Attachment 49279

    EDIT: @Gloa, I like your hospitaller flag. Looks more awesome than mine, while still maintaining a unique flavour in relation to the other orders.

    EDIT2: To anybody thinking of doing the Lüneburg flags: I just did those.
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    Nice job on the flag guys . I've just started on the map work and have something of a teaser to show. Note that because I have yet to actually create these new countries, all the tags that we have created currently appear as black on the screenshot. Take my word for it though, areas in black from Nubia to Iberia to Italy are all done.



    EDIT: I've corrected an error on the map and given Northern Sardinia to Genoa.
    EDIT2: And Nice. Sorry for the quality, I'll stick to .png from now on.

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    Erm, didn't we agree that we would use the tag of Sardinia-Piedmont for Savoy? (also, Nice is Savoyan, not Genoan)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyranum View Post
    Erm, didn't we agree that we would use the tag of Sardinia-Piedmont for Savoy? (also, Nice is Savoyan, not Genoan)
    No actually, if you check the tag listings, we agreed to use the tag SAR for Sardinia to avoid confusion and created PIE for Piedmont. It's the same reason we gave Naples its own tag and gave SIC to an independent Sicilian state; mixing up tags always ends up in headache at some point. I HAVE been using the map you provided as my guiding tool in this, you know Alongside the scenario editor to view my progress visually, the tool you recommended me to use(awesome thing it is), and loading V2 up so I actually know which province is which. I'm going to hit France and Britain next...I may actually finish that before tomorrow.

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    Yeah, re-checked it and noticed that we actually did. Anyways, I've been continuing flag-work. Currently done flag batches for: KRA (except the commie flag which I am unsure of which to use, especially since I've acquired a third idea), LEO, AST, LUB, NYL

    EDIT: Here's my flags as of right now.

    FlagCollage.png

    The upper three are the three commie flags I've done for the Jagiellonians (KRA). I'm thinking of going with the first one listed.

    The rest of the flags are listed in the format: default-monarchy-republic-communist-fascist

    Also, I am a bit displeased with the LUB commie flag since I wanted to recolour the red to the blue from its CoA, but everytime I did that parts of the gold-coloured symbol disappeared. Anybody know how to get around that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyranum View Post
    Yeah, re-checked it and noticed that we actually did. Anyways, I've been continuing flag-work. Currently done flag batches for: KRA (except the commie flag which I am unsure of which to use, especially since I've acquired a third idea), LEO, AST, LUB, NYL

    EDIT: Here's my flags as of right now.

    Attachment 49378

    The upper three are the three commie flags I've done for the Jagiellonians (KRA). I'm thinking of going with the first one listed.

    The rest of the flags are listed in the format: default-monarchy-republic-communist-fascist

    Also, I am a bit displeased with the LUB commie flag since I wanted to recolour the red to the blue from its CoA, but everytime I did that parts of the gold-coloured symbol disappeared. Anybody know how to get around that?
    Did you try manipulating the layers a bit? I'm no graphic artist though, I'm amateur at best. I really like your first and third Jagiellon commie flag, and Asturias looks awesome. Leon is good, but Asturias was the real eye-catcher. I still like your Jagiellon flags that you showed earlier the best. I'm also liking Gloa's Slavorussia and New Jerusalem flags a lot as well. Very eye-catchy.

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    Oh the previous Jagiellon flags I have no problem with, which is why I didn't include them in that collage.
    Anyways, just cuz I had some spare time, here's another flag collage:

    FlagCollage2.png

    Arranged in the order: default-monarchy-republic-communist-fascist

    EDIT: And another thing: where is the revolter Žemaitija-Aukštaitija on that tag list? And where is Russia? Along with Lithuania?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyranum View Post
    Oh the previous Jagiellon flags I have no problem with, which is why I didn't include them in that collage.
    Anyways, just cuz I had some spare time, here's another flag collage:

    Attachment 49406

    Arranged in the order: default-monarchy-republic-communist-fascist

    EDIT: And another thing: where is the revolter Žemaitija-Aukštaitija on that tag list? And where is Russia? Along with Lithuania?
    Now that you mention it, did we forgot to do the tags for Russia, Lithuania, and revolters in that region? Damn, my bad -.-;

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    You should take a look at Magic8ball's flagpack ( http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...omplete-quot-) ). It contains flags from all the countries that were in EU3 and not in Vicky 2. These can be useful for the French minors, Spanish minors, Greece, etc...

    And keep going your good work, the mod look VERY promising!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papineau 37 View Post
    You should take a look at Magic8ball's flagpack ( http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...omplete-quot-) ). It contains flags from all the countries that were in EU3 and not in Vicky 2. These can be useful for the French minors, Spanish minors, Greece, etc...

    And keep going your good work, the mod look VERY promising!
    Oh, that looks very useful, thanks a lot! Seeing as he has a disclaimer for using his flags, we will most likely be using some flags of his, although our designers do appear to be enjoying themselves as well. I'll leave it up to their discretion as to which flags they borrow(if we get permission), so long as there's some form of credit to Magic8ball, should they use any of his flags. Thank you for the support

    Here's my progress for today. I know that the map still remains black(adding countries is very tedious, and they don't appear as distinct unless I add them in), but France, the British Isles, and Burgundy are done. I however, have not dared to touch Germany. I have no idea who gets cores where(Germany isn't my comfort zone, unlike Spain, Italy, or the Inca). While I can do the base map for Germany, I don't know where I'd go about putting revolter cores. Ditto for everything east of what I've already got done(in Europe). Tomorrow I'll most likely be finishing off Africa.



    Dyranum, could I get a clarification on which colonies are the UKG's and which are Genoan btw? I'm having a hard time telling them apart

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    Alright, alright! Wot's all this then? Sum-wun needs help, eh?
    I've recoloured the UKG in a rather darkly garish purple for your convenience. It might be quite close to Brittany but I do not think they are indistinguishable. If they are though, you could just do some cross-referencing with normal-coloured UKG.

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    Thanks a bunch, I'll definitely be able to complete all of Africa tomorrow assuming my free time remains, you know, actually free.

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    Hmm - looking over the tag list again:
    - UYG, Uigherstan/Dzungar Khanate and KHS, the Khoshuud Khanate were mentioned as possible fill ins for Mongolian revolters. UYG (or DZU or DZN or...) would have cores over the Xinjiang region (which would not be called Xinjiang in this timeline at all), and KHS would have cores over the rest of non-Mongolian, non-Uigher, non-Tibetan west China.
    - XIN, Xinjiang could be a new name and tag for any of the border Chinese states, if any of them has a particularly awkward tag or name.
    - "Pueblo" and "Andalus" based names are sort of a problem as previously discussed.
    - Who owns most of the Philippines? Sulu? Butuan? Madyaas? Mai? I don't recognize the color as matching any other color on the map, so it looks like it isn't a colony. Or perhaps we could divide it between a couple native nations?
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    I went through the tag list and noticed that I forgot to add South America and the Indonesian Archipelago to the list, and that we never even did Russia. I went through, did some edits based on your feedback, and here's the result:

    This post will now serve as a list of all tags in the game.

    Below is the tag list by geographical region.


    Iberia:

    At Start:
    MOR - Marinid Empire
    POR - Portugal
    LEO - Leon
    AST - Asturias
    CAS - Castille
    NAV - Navarre

    Revolters:
    ARA - Catalonia
    AND - Andalucia *Note that Andalucia has cores on ALL of Marinid Iberia, this country has a Mozarab primary culture.

    Fragmentation of Andalucia: *These regions gain cores via events, and serve to turn Iberia into a bunch of bickering, minor states.
    VAL - Valencia*Culturally different from Catalonia due to Islam)
    GRA - Granada
    TOL - Tulaytulah*Based in Toledo
    MER - Batlabus*AKA Badajoz
    ALV - Al-Gharb*Algarves

    Unions:
    SPA - España(formable by the Christian Iberian nations that controls all of the peninsula)
    IBE - Iberia(formable by Muslim Iberian nations that are not the Marinid Empire if they have all of Iberia in their sphere except for Catalonia, and by the Marinids if they own Barcelona, have all the Christian Iberian states in their sphere, and have their capital in Europe[moves by decision])
    UHI - Union Hispana(formable by Christian Iberian nations if an Iberian state is a GP, and it requires Castile and Leon to be either owned by the GP or in their sphere)

    Note: Both España and Iberia gain cores on all of the Iberian Peninsula and have Catalan and Valencian cultures as accepted or primary, depending on which country formed Iberia. It should be noted that Catalan will be a part of the Occitan culture group. In the case of the Union Hispana, it's an analogue to the North German Confederation, a union with the goal of forming the bigger union)


    France/Low Countries:

    At Start:
    PRS - Parisian Republic
    BRT - Brittany
    OCC - Occitania
    AQU - Aquitaine
    BEL - Burgundy
    NET - Netherlands
    MAI - Maine/Anjou

    Possible Revolters:
    NRM - Normandy
    LUX - Luxembour*Which will be vastly larger than today due to not being partitioned. We could actually add the whole Rheinland as cores of Luxembourg and get around having to make a new tag for that
    ANH - Elsass*Cores on Elsass, which is split evenly between Switzerland and Burgundy
    FLA - Flandern
    PIC - Picardy

    Unions:
    FRA - France(only has cores on everything north of Occitania and west of Burgundy and requires the state to be a GP and to have all of these regions in their sphere. Brittany cannot form this and France does not have cores on Brittany)


    British Isles:

    At Start:
    ENG - England(English landlords)
    UKG - United Kingdoms of England France
    SCO - Scotland
    IRE - Ireland

    Revolters:
    WAL - Wales

    Unions:
    CEL - Celtia(A provisional name for a Celtic union. Requirements include being a GP and having Scotland and all of Ireland owned or in SOI, and gains cores on Wales, formable by Brittany as well)

    Scandinavia/Baltics:

    At Start:
    DEN - Denmark
    SWE - Sweden
    PRU - Prussia
    PSK - Pskov

    Revolters:
    NOR - Norway
    FIN - Finland
    ICL - Iceland
    EST - Estonia
    LAT - Latvia[
    ING - Ingria

    Unions:
    SCA - Scandinavia(must have Copenhagen, Stockholm, and Oslo, either in SOI or owned, and must be a GP. This would be a HARD union to form)


    Italy:

    At Start:
    NAP - Naples
    PAP - Papal States
    TUS - Tuscany
    VEN - Venice
    GEN - Genoa
    PIE - Piedmont

    Revolters:
    SAR - Sardinia
    COR - Corsica
    SIC - Sicily
    PAR - Parma
    LOM - Lombardy

    Unions:
    ITA -Italy(must be a GP and owns/SOI everything from Piedmont to Calabria, gains cores on Sicily by forming)

    Jagellon Lands:

    At Start:
    KRA - Jagellon Kingdom

    Revolters:
    POL - Poland*Poland only gains cores(via event) if Hungary has been lost, resulting in a rise in anti-monarch feeling and a Polish identity, rather than being a subject of the Jagellon realm who happens to be Polish
    HUN - Hungary
    BOH - Bohemia-Moravia
    SLV - Slovakia
    SIE - Silesia
    TRN - Transylvania
    RUT - Ruthenia
    COB - Kashubia (West Prussia)

    Unions:
    KRA - Jagellon Kingdom(The Jagellons ARE the union here)

    Balkans, Anatolia, and the Caucasus

    At Start:
    GRE - Epirus
    BUL - Thracia
    TUR - Kingdom of Rum
    CRE - Sultanate of Konya
    TRB - Empire of Trebizond
    GAE - Georgo-Armenian Empire
    SER - Serbia
    BOS - Bosnia
    WAL - Wallachia
    MOL - Moldovia
    CYP - Knights Hospitaller

    Revolters:
    CRO - Croatia
    ALB - Albania
    SLO - Slovenia
    ARM - Armenia
    GEO - Georgia
    AZB - Azerbaijan
    KUR - Kurdistan

    Unions:
    BYZ - Byzantine Empire(formable if a Hellenic state is a GP and owns or spheres Epirus, Thracia, and Rum. Gains cores on Trebizond, the Knights Hospitaller, and the Sultanate of Konya, however, they must all be annexed by war, except for Trebizond)
    YUG - Yugoslavia(this should be self-evident. I will provide a backstory as soon as I can think of one)


    Germany:

    At Start:
    HES - Hessen
    LUB - Lüneburg
    MEC - Mecklenburg-Schwerin
    MEK - Mecklenburg-Strelitz
    OLD - Oldenburg
    HAN - Hanover
    BRE - Bremen
    SAX - Saxony
    FRM - Frankfurt am Main
    BAD - Baden
    WUR - Württemberg
    LIP - Lippe-Detmold
    AUS - Austria
    HAM - Brandenburg (hijacking Hamburg's tag)
    SWI - Switzerland*NOT a part of Germany, but has German cores

    Revolters:
    HOL - Holstein (gains cores on Lübeck and Hamburg)
    SCH - Schleswig
    NAS - Nassau
    BRA - Bremen-Verden
    MEI - Pommerania
    NEU - Neuchatel

    Unions:
    GER - Germany(must SOI all of the independent German states, except for Austria. This means Austria must crush Saxony, but Saxony does not have to subjugate Austria. Gains cores on the German-speaking lands when formed)


    Arab World:


    At Start:
    TUN - Hafsid Dynasty
    EGY - Egypt*Also known as the Sultanate of Cairo, bitter enemy of the Baghdad Sultanate
    BAG - Baghdad Sultanate*bitter enemy of Egypt, contests the title of Caliphate with Egypt
    HDJ - Hedjaz*Satellite of Egypt, owns Northern Hedjaz
    YEM - Yemen*Owns Northern Yemen and Southern Hedjaz
    ADE - Aden*Owns Aden and Eastern Yemen
    NEJ - Nejd*Owns the interior of Arabia
    HAA - Haasa*Owns Qatar and a chunk of Arabia
    ABU - Abu Dhabi*Owns the modern-day UAE, better names?
    MSC - Muscat*Owns eastern Oman
    OMA - Oman*Owns western Oman

    Revolters:
    IRQ - Iraq*Shiite revolter state in Mesopotamia

    Unions:
    CAL - The Caliphate*formable by a westernized state located in the Arab world that either has puppetized or owns Cairo, Baghdad, Jerusalem, and Mecca. If we allow the Marinids to form it, their requirements will be MUCH more hellish.
    ARB - Arabia*formable by any of the Arab states south of Egypt and the Baghdad Caliphate on the Arab peninsula, must either be a GP and either directly or indirectly control Hedjaz, Yemen, Nejd, and Haasa.

    Notes: The Arab states are going to be an infighting hellhole mixed with King of the Hill-style CBs. The two giants of the Arab world(Baghdad and Egypt) will have claims over each others' bordering provinces, and will gain cores on more bordering provinces via event that trigger if they own/occupy a certain province. Egypt will start out stronger military, but Baghdad will be richer. At the same time, they're going to have an interest in the infighting going on in Arabia with their own interests in the peninsula. The Arabs will start with no cores outside of their own boundaries, and ideally, we should be seeing free-for-all wars and coalitions going on in there, possibly helped along via events. If Yemen/Aden conquers the other, it will gain cores on all of their conquered nemesis' territories, and the same goes for Muscat/Oman, Muscat/Aden, and Hedjaz/Yemen. Haasa, a Shiite state, will have a core on Baghdad's coastal province directly above it, and will get its own events to either create a Shiite-dominated Arabia(with all the instability it would bring), or an event chain to become THE Shiite Arab state, that owns all lands populated primarily by Shiites.


    Persia and Central Asia:


    At Start:
    TEH - Teheran*Owns Northern Persia
    KHO - Khorasan*Owns Eastern Persia
    FAR - Fars*Owns Southern Persia, alternative name: Khuzestan?
    CRI - Crimean Khanate
    ATR - Astrakhan Khanate
    AFG - Durrani Empire
    SAM - Empire of Samarkand
    MGL - Mongol Empire

    Revolters:
    KAL - Balochistan*Baloch Nation-state
    PAN - Panjab*Punjabi Nation-state
    BUK - Bukkahara*Disgruntled revolter state in southwestern Samarkand
    KOK - Chagatai*revolter state in northeastern Samarkand
    KHI - Turkmenistan*A part of me wants to give them an event chain(without cores) that leads to them becoming the 2nd coming of Seljuq Turks. Revolter state in modern-day Turkmenistan and the three northernmost provinces in Khorasan
    KHO - Khoshuud Khanate*Based in Gansu, Tibetan-Mongol revolter in Mongolia
    ZNG - Zunghar Khanate*East Turkestan IOTL
    KAZ - Kazakhstan*self-explanatory

    Unions:
    PER - Persia*One of the 3 Persian states needs to annex the other 2, gets irredentist claims on Shiite Mesopotamia and a large chunk of Durrani
    TRK - Turkestan*Possibly, no idea if we should implement this or not.

    Notes:
    We probably need some form of revolter state in the Crimean Khanate, and revolters in Mongolia, but I've no idea how to go about doing so. I'm also thinking that we give the Mongol Empire prestige-boosting decisions if they hold certain provinces to signify a fear in the West of the return of the Mongol Horde and Mongolia's greater standing because of it. In terms of power, all of Central Asia will have larger populations due to a lot less infighting and tribalism being minimized. Astrakhan is the richest and Astrakhan the one with the biggest army, Mongolia is the most prestigious and has ties to China, while the Crimean Khanate is the one closest to westernizing.


    East Asia:

    At Start:
    KOR: Korea.

    CHI - The Chinese Empire.
    YNN - The Kingdom of Dali/Yunnan.
    SXI - The Kingdom of Shu/Sichuan.
    SND - Shandong*(the Shandong Peninsula) - while de jure control is in the hands of the governor of Shandong, true control belongs to the rebel armies encamped in the area. Perhaps it would be the Great Northern Kingdom or something.
    BEI - Beiping*"Northern Peace" - the Northernmost warlord (dark blue)
    XBI - Xibei ("Northwest")*the light green north-west warlord.
    HEN - Henan*(the dark green warlord - I'm not sure whether this guy would be, when we finalize the borders, Henan (south of the Yellow River), Hebei (north of the Yellow River), or some combo [perhaps Heguang?])
    ZHN - Zhongguo*(alternate name for China, used in reference to the people's state in the middle of China)
    GAN - Gan*Named after the Gan river, this yellow state is a warlord substate of Zhongguo (it's part of the rebel army which got entrenched and no longer really needs to listen to every command from up high)
    LNG - Liangguang*In reality, this is the pirate state, but the de jure leadership would be the governor of Guangxi, or the governor/viceroy of Liangguang (depends on how this dynasty manages its administrative divisions). Alternate names: Pirate Coast, Canton (the western view, given that the pirates operate out of the city and it's a major trading port when western trade is safe there), Hainan (if that's where the pirates are based), Zheng's Fleet/Cheng's Fleet/some other name's Fleet... (the name if it became a democracy or otherwise cleaned up its piracy mess would be Guangxi, though).
    BFA - The Black Flag Army*There was an OTL bandit group with this name, but I suspect that someone would think up of the name here too. These are the pink guys.
    GUA - Guandong*(under the titular control of the governor of Guandong, but controlled by rebels).

    TOK - Tokugawa*The brown guy in the middle
    SHM - Shimazu*(the southern state - in OTL the Shimazu controlled the Satsuma domain and were very powerful and a very long seated family - here, they expand a bit more, either as a rival to the control of all of Japan, or the hegemon of a bunch of smaller rulers which aren't big enough to get tags).
    DAT - The Date Clan*(another OTL long-in-control and powerful state - plus, they have one of the most awesome crests). Again, they'd perhaps just be the western famous hegemon of a bunch of smaller not-depicted rulers.

    Revolters:
    MAY - Maynila, Amanillah, or the Kingdom of Seludong.
    TAI - Taiwan.
    HUI - Anhui.
    FUJ - Fujian.
    MCK - Manchuria*a revolter with their OTL cores from Korea and Russia. Basically, all of non-Korean Korea.
    Several other of the PDM cliques as potential independent kingdoms which can pop up if a semi-unified China breaks apart again
    AIN - Ainu*Has cores on Hokkaido and Sakhalin

    Unions:
    JAP - Japan

    Notes:
    East Asia was handled by Gloa, and is to be considered his domain de jure. All hail Gloa, bow before Gloa, for he is the only one who can understand what is going on, but damn if it doesn't look cool.


    Africa:

    At Start:
    SOK - Songhai*Recycled from Sokoto, these guys are TTL's Japan. Expect more countries to be added to Africa in later releases so as to make Songhai interesting.
    ETH - Ethiopia*Now with neighbors other than Egypt!
    ZAN - Zanzibar*I pity the poor fool who tries to play them though
    MAD - Madagascar*Original, I know
    ZUL - Zulu*We need these guys around...why, I don't know though. Probably to troll Venice.
    NUB - Nubia*I can already see the AARs full of noob jokes; these guys are independent because Egypt basically let them live in favor of beating Baghdad over the head
    MOG - Knights of St. John, these guys are based off of Mogadishu, hence the tag name, and are also liable to make Zanzibar cry, every single game. Their capital will move via event to Goa if Mogadishu is occupied.
    (MORE TO BE ADDED TO THE LIST/MAP*at some point*)

    Revolters:
    SOM - Somalia*From MOG if the capital isn't located in Mogadishu any longer
    SAF - (Insert Danish name for Cape Town here)* this will serve as the revolter state for Danish South Africa
    NAL - (Insert Burgundian French for South Africa, Afrique du Sud? Nouveau Burgougne? Cap de l'Est?)* The Burgundian South Africa state

    Arise Via Event:
    MUT - Mutapa
    KON - Kongo
    ASH - Ashanti
    DAR - Darfur
    (More to be decided? Note that these countries will only be added in later releases)

    Notes: Africa is a work in progress


    Southeast Asia:

    At Start:
    BUR -Taungu Empire*Let's assume that the First Taungu Empire held, but that Siam was always unstable and some of the eastern parts of the empire broke off into an again-independent rump Siamese state and Luang Prabang. Looking at the Wikipedia article, it appears that Burma had male literacy approaching 50% and 4% for females during the early 1800s and dedicated a lot of attention to literary works and the expansion of Burmese culture, so they'll have a relatively decent prestige and good literacy rates.
    CAM - Khmer*The remnants of the once great Khmer Empire, they get no cores to start with outside their borders, but may eventually get a 'Declare the reestablishment of the Khmer Empire' decision that gives cores on areas with notable Khmer presence.
    SIA - Siam*The remnants of Ayyuthaya fled eastwards away from Burmese control and eventually rebelled, establishing a newly independent Siamese kingdom.
    LUA - Luang Prabang rump state, if I knew a bit more about Southeast Asian history, I'd have a sarcastic comment about being a filler state as a joke, but meh, I don't. Has cores on all of Luang Prabang
    DAI - Dai Viet, gets no cores outside its current lands, but also gets an assimilation bonus on the Champa culture; but so do the Khmer
    JOH - Malacca*Big, with precious metals, and has cores on Burgundian Sumatra. One of your best bets to form Nusantara other than Java

    Revolters:
    ARK - Arakan
    CHM - Champa
    SUK - Sukothai*Cores in Northern Thailand
    RCH - Ratchaburi*Cores on Southern Thailand
    SHN - Shan*Cores in Eastern Burma and the far north of Thailand

    Unions:
    THY- Muang Thai*This is the Thai cultural union state


    Mesoamerica:

    At Start:
    DCA - Mesorepubliek*The Dutch revolter state in Central America, if we had a name for the Americas, It'd be something like 'MesoXXXXXXX Republiek' but until then, I'm going to name it that.
    NJR - Order of New Jerusalem*The Crusader order in the Yucatec peninsula
    MIX - Mixtec*Light blue Mesoamerican state
    TAR - Tarasca*Green Mesoamerican state
    AZT - Aztec*Light purple Mesoamerican state
    TLX - Tlaxcala*The dark green/almost gray Mesoamerican state
    ZAC - Zacotec*Neon pink
    HST - Huastec*Pale green
    CAH - Cahita*Red-Brown

    Revolters:
    MAY - Maya*A non-Christian Maya revolter state
    ZAP - Zapotec*Two southwestern-most provinces in New Jerusalem
    TOT - Totonac*In Veracruz province
    OLM - Olmec*province southeast of Veracruz
    CHC - Chichimec*4 inland provinces in the center of Occitan Mexico, all bordering native states and bordering each other
    PUE - Anasazi*Cores on a large chunk of land from Southern Utah and Colarado, all of New Mexico, and a large part of northern Mexico outside of California. Refer to this for a better idea. These guys are just broad and general, because little statelets in the American Southwest would get steamrolled.
    (We need a colonial revolter for Occitan North America, anybody have any ideas?)

    Unions:
    TOL - Toltec*Formable by any Mesoamerican state that manages to more or less conquer a large chunk of Mesoamerica, details later


    North America:

    At Start:
    CAN - Canata
    IRO - Iroquis
    DES - Zion, the Deseret-analogue
    CHE - Cherokee. Yeah, that native american state. Probably already said.

    Revolters:
    TEX - Tejas, revolter from Asturian holdings (could also be called Nuevo Asturies though, or if you want it in English: New Asturias)
    CHM - Nouvelle Champagne, revolter from Burgundian holdings. Capital at Nouevelle Dijon (OTL New Orleans)
    NYL - Nyland, revolter from Swedish holdings, disclaimer: I used google translate for this
    SAM - New Sambia, revolter from Prussian holdings
    NTL - Natalia*capital in Cuba, Caribbean-centric Portuguese revolter, has cores on all of the Portuguese New World holdings
    FAZ - República Fazendeiro*Portuguese revolter based in North America
    VIN - Vinland*Revolter from Denmark
    QUE - Quebec*French revolter from Canata
    ALY - Alyaska*Revolter from Alaska IOTL, to the province just before Vancouver and Vancouver island, and is a Russian Mestizo state(mixed Russian/Indian)
    NLE - Nuevo Léon*revolter from Léon
    CAL - Slavorussia*Revolter in Russian Cascadia, has cores on all of colonial Russian North America

    Nations that form:
    (undecided)

    Notes: Alyaska is a mestizo Russian state while Slavorussia is a Russian state. Quebec should revolt say....25% of the time, going from game start, based on our previous discussions about the St.Lawrence being in revolt. The Portuguese North American revolter state is what happens when tensions between rich plantations and semi-urbanized farmers boils to a breaching point. The names of these countries are based on republican revolter states, if they were to become OTL's equivalent of dominions, they would have different names. Nyland would be New Sweden for example.


    Indonesia:

    At Start:
    JAV - Java
    BAL - Bali*These guys will get some love in this mod, eventually. I'm thinking proclamation of the resurrected Majapahit Empire? They have cores on some of Dutch Bali
    CLB - Celebes
    BRU - Brunei*Has cores on the two northernmost provinces of Breton Borneo
    SUL - Sulu*In exile, because they've lost Sulu proper to the Chinese pirate states
    MGN - Maguindanao*The state in the Southern Philippines
    JOH - Malacca*Technically, not a part of Indonesia, but culturally, it may as well be.

    Revolters:
    BNJ - Banjar*Has cores on all of Dutch and Burgundian Borneo, and the southernmost province in Breton Borneo
    PLB - Palembang*Has cores on Burgundian Sumatra and part of Malaccan Sumatra
    ATJ - Atjeh*Cores on Northern Sumatra
    DEM - Demak*Cores on Western Java
    TRN - Ternate*Cores on the Moluccas
    AMB - Ambeno*Cores on Timor
    PLW - Palawan*This should be obvious
    NSR - Srivijaya*Based in Visayas, these guys are essentially what happens when you take origin myths, and burn it into the minds of your youth so much that it becomes a reality. A Hindu revolter state in Visayas made up from people who believe themselves to be descended from people migrating from the collapsing Srivijaya and Majapahit Empires. They use the name Srivijaya due to nationalism. Read up on Wikipedia about Visayas, so do not sue me for this one, blame the Wiki.
    PAP - Papua*Cores on all of Papua(Gains cores only after a certain date has passed to signify that the islands have developed to the point where they have established a Papuan nationality)

    Unions:
    MAJ - Majapahit*Bali-only, it's essentially a Hindu Indonesia that will serve to say, nyah nyah, I'm a badass. It will require Bali to annex the whole island of Java and either own directly, or have puppetized, the owners of all the provinces in Sumatra
    NSN- Nusantra*Same as the above, but it's available to all of the other Malay states

    Notes: the Malay states will actually be fun to play in this mod, so expect more details added to them later, far later on. Srivijaya will also get a decision that will effectively change its name to the Empire of Srivijaya and give prestige and cores(If they own Palembang, that is), but not an actual tag switch.

    Oceania and the Pacific:

    At Start:
    Hawaii

    Revolters:
    DNZ - (Insert Name Here for Dutch New Zealand)*This is the revolter state for a Dutch Kiwi state
    NVS - Nuevo Visayas*Name for the Léonese revolter state in Australia
    NAW - Nieuw Antwerpen*Name for the Dutch revolter in Australia
    AUS - Australie*Name for Burgundian Australian revolter(will only gain cores should Burgundy colonize Australia)

    Arise from Uncolonized Territory:
    AOT - Aotearoa*If New Zealand isn't fully settled by the date XXXX, then Aotearoa will gain independence and have control over any uncolonized provinces in New Zealand.

    Notes: This area was actually easier than I thought it would be. Good thing too, I was near dreading doing this.


    South America:

    INK - Al-Tahuantinsuya*I decided to save PEU and other colonial tags for revolter states. We're going to need em. I've decided to have them start out as civilized, if only so as to have them get immigrants(which goes with our backstory).
    GFI - Grande Fiume*The Tuscan revolter in Argentina with cores on the rest of Tuscan South America
    MNI - Monai*The state in Gran Chaco named after the Guarani god of open fields
    PRA - Parana*The white-cream Guarani state, Parana means ocean in Guarani, apparently
    GUA - Guambarate*The green Guarani state
    KAG - Ka'aguy*The purple Guarani state

    Revolters:
    PMP - Pampas*Revolter in southern Incan Argentina(to be implemented later). Pampas means plains in Quechua
    QUI - Quito*Revolter in Ecuador+Incan Colombia, mainly a political revolter rather than cultural
    TRI - Tripolitania*The Hafsid revolter in the New World
    NAO - Su Naoned*Breton revolter state in South America
    NRO - Roma Ovesta*Neapolitan revolter state in South America
    COR - New Cordoba*Revolter state for all of Moorish South America, but based in the western half
    NND - New Andalucia*Revolter in the eastern half of Moorish South America


    Eastern Europe/Russia:

    At Start:
    RUS - Russian Empire
    LIT - Grand Duchy of Lithuania

    Revolters:
    ZEM - Žemaitija-Aukštaitija
    NOV - Novgorod*A political revolter state
    MUS - Muscovy*Also a political revolter, although they only revolt during the Russian Revolution
    SIB - Sibir Khanate*Based east of the Urals
    MCK - Manchuria*Also found on the East Asia revolters list, has cores on Russian Manchuria
    KAM - Kamchatka*Political revolter that has cores on the Russian Far East

    Unions:
    Russia is the union tag for all East Slavic cultures, other than that, I don't think anything else would fall under this category.

    Last edited by EMT0; 07-03-2012 at 22:56.

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    Uh, Ingria is not a political revolter, and it should not be under Eastern Europe/Russia. It should be under Scandinavia/Baltic as Ingria is a Swedish possession at start.

    Also, you have used the "AND" tag two times there. One time for Andalucia in Iberia and one time for New Andalucia.

    Also, Hafsid New World revolter? WUT? Hafsids have no colonies! They only have what they have in North Africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyranum View Post
    Uh, Ingria is not a political revolter, and it should not be under Eastern Europe/Russia. It should be under Scandinavia/Baltic as Ingria is a Swedish possession at start.

    Also, you have used the "AND" tag two times there. One time for Andalucia in Iberia and one time for New Andalucia.

    Also, Hafsid New World revolter? WUT? Hafsids have no colonies! They only have what they have in North Africa.
    Fixed, fixed, and, then what's the brownish thing in South America that's the same color as the Hafsids?

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    It is not the same colour as the Hafsids. It uses Uruguay's brown, which is similar but not quite the same. Wasn't it another Guaraní state?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyranum View Post
    It is not the same colour as the Hafsids. It uses Uruguay's brown, which is similar but not quite the same. Wasn't it another Guaraní state?
    There weren't very many Guarani there, it was probably more along the lines of Tupi people around that area. If we make it a Guarani state, I'd suggest you give it's 3 southeastern provinces to a colonial power, possibly Genoa, or just give it to Tuscany, because Guarani presence along most of the Brazilian coast was rather negligible if I recall correctly.

    EDIT: The Tupi and Guarani are usually grouped as being a very similar people, if not basically being subgroups of the Tupi-Guarani culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMT0 View Post
    There weren't very many Guarani there, it was probably more along the lines of Tupi people around that area. If we make it a Guarani state, I'd suggest you give it's 3 southeastern provinces to a colonial power, possibly Genoa, or just give it to Tuscany, because Guarani presence along most of the Brazilian coast was rather negligible if I recall correctly.

    EDIT: The Tupi and Guarani are usually grouped as being a very similar people, if not basically being subgroups of the Tupi-Guarani culture.
    Well, what're we going to do about them then? The Hafsids are unlikely to be able to do something like that, what with getting owned by the Marinids.
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