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Pardon me, Senators.

But my Bolshevik sympathy doesn't even compare to the audacious requests that Senator McGeehan is making. Join the Axis? Are we going to disregard our "non-Aryan" ethnicities and let them die at the hands of Hitler? Joining the Axis would be the ultimate act of treason against our Constitution and nation. We would be letting democracy be destroyed, letting liberty be extinguished, and turning the world into the dark anti-semitic National Socialist dystopia that Hitler does aim for. How can we let the Axis conquer Europe?
 
I change my Lend Lease vote to AYE without the USSR, better dead than red.

In regards to Senator McGeehan Jr.'s suggestion we join the Axis, being a member of the Silver Legion of America a fascist party I would of course support joining the Axis over the Allies but that is just not feasible, the Axis nations of Germany and Italy are of little threat to us at this present time and may even become good friends but Japan on the other hand not only sees us as competition for control of the Pacific but a threat to there nation due to the limited resources she has and our control over those resources. Giving Japan Asia and Oceania would be a massive mistake, our influence in that region is necessary for our own security if we pulled back to the Americas as you suggest how long do you think it would last before Japan bolstered by the massive amount of manpower and resources she would have access to begins to challenge us directly, could we count on the support of Germany and Italy in that situation? I think not.
We are better off keeping out of this war as long as possible till both sides are worn out and stretched to the limit, then we can come in a mediators for an honourable peace.

Regards
Senator Peter Dawson, MD
 
Pardon me, Senators.

But my Bolshevik sympathy doesn't even compare to the audacious requests that Senator McGeehan is making. Join the Axis? Are we going to disregard our "non-Aryan" ethnicities and let them die at the hands of Hitler? Joining the Axis would be the ultimate act of treason against our Constitution and nation. We would be letting democracy be destroyed, letting liberty be extinguished, and turning the world into the dark anti-semitic National Socialist dystopia that Hitler does aim for. How can we let the Axis conquer Europe?

Does the honourable Senator suggest that the darkness of Bolshevism be invited into our midst, who is to say what will happen in the future of Italy and Germany perhaps they will return to Democracy after this crisis is over,though they have suspended Democracy in there nations for the time being, in their case it was necessary to do so to bring the economy back into line and suppress the Bolshevik menaces these nations faced. The anti-Semitic nature of Nazi Germany is truly unsavoury and against the values of the United States but they are a young political party and they will grow out of it, till then we must do our utmost to remain neutral and bring peace to this world in turmoil.

Regards
Senator Peter Dawson, MD
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, let's tread very carefully in our political rhetoric. We must respect the forum rules. Nobody's gone over the line -- or even come close, in my view -- but let's make sure we keep that distance.
 
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Ladies and gentlemen, let's tread very carefully in our political rhetoric. We must respect the forum rules. Nobody's gone over the line -- or even come close, in my view -- but let's make sure we keep that distance.

((OOC, fair enough don't want this shutdown:D))
 
To General MacArthur : Commanding Officer Atlantic Command
From General Stillwell : Commanding Officer Northern US Army Group

Subject : Request for additional forces

General MacArthur, Upon taking over my new command, I request three (3) new artillery brigades to be requesitioned and attached to the 3rd US Army Corps, 4th US Army Corps, and 2nd Army Rapid Response Corps to be used as a corp level asset to strenghten attacks should the situation require it. Also I have been informed from my British Army liason officer of a new form of infantry being used by the German forces. This new type of unit, referred to as mechanized, would be very useful for offensive purposes. I recommend this be researched when possible. I also request the forces under my command to begin drawing new equipment and be reorganized as motorized troops instead of legbourne infantry as soon as possible. This would double the effectiveness of my forces in defending our soverign territory. If not all forces can be upgraded given our current manufacturing capability I strongly urge you to approve the 2nd Army Rapid Response Corps be upgraded as soon as possible in this manner in case emergency use of our troops be needed quickly. My other two corp can wait, but I do need a fully mobile corp as soon as possible.

Signed respectfully,

General Joseph Stillwell

((Sorry I only have the January 1940 saved game to go off of :) ))
 
It is perhaps wiser to not give direct support to the reds. Who knows what they would unleash upon the world after all. Aye without USSR on the Lend-Lease act!

- Senator John Linton, D-FL
 
To General MacArthur : Commanding Officer Atlantic Command
From General Stillwell : Commanding Officer Northern US Army Group

Subject : Request for additional forces

General MacArthur, Upon taking over my new command, I request three (3) new artillery brigades to be requesitioned and attached to the 3rd US Army Corps, 4th US Army Corps, and 2nd Army Rapid Response Corps to be used as a corp level asset to strenghten attacks should the situation require it. Also I have been informed from my British Army liason officer of a new form of infantry being used by the German forces. This new type of unit, referred to as mechanized, would be very useful for offensive purposes. I recommend this be researched when possible. I also request the forces under my command to begin drawing new equipment and be reorganized as motorized troops instead of legbourne infantry as soon as possible. This would double the effectiveness of my forces in defending our soverign territory. If not all forces can be upgraded given our current manufacturing capability I strongly urge you to approve the 2nd Army Rapid Response Corps be upgraded as soon as possible in this manner in case emergency use of our troops be needed quickly. My other two corp can wait, but I do need a fully mobile corp as soon as possible.

Signed respectfully,

General Joseph Stillwell

((Sorry I only have the January 1940 saved game to go off of :) ))

TO: Gen. Stillwell, Commanding Officer, U.S. Northern Command
FROM: Gen. MacArthur, Commanding Officer, Atlantic Theatre

General Stillwell,

Unfortunately, your request for three (3) artillery brigades to be attached to your HQ units is impossible to fulfill at this time - every man available for service is currently in a standing formation. Until we recruit sufficient soldiers to fill our currently standing formations, neither I nor Army Chief of Staff Craig can grant your request. ((We literally have zero Manpower, so there's literally nothing I can do for you here. Also, are you asking for one ART brigade attached to each HQ unit, three ART brigades attached to each HQ unit, or three divisions of purely ART brigades?))

I am indeed interested to hear of the potential of mechanized infantry - indeed, during my tenure as Chief of Staff, I spearheaded the development of motorized infantry as a stepping stone to full mechanization - and I will ask General Craig to consider your request. That being said, I am uncertain that motorizing the infantry forces under your command would be a wise choice at this time; the armored division attached to each of your standard infantry corps should be sufficient to complete the encirclements we anticipate in the short term. While I would normally be glad to motorize our infantry, I am hesitant to present your recommendation to General Craig unless you can explain to me how ((We haven't researched Mechanized Infantry yet, but I'll ask Chimina to add it to his tech queue if he can. I'm not sure I understand how full divisions of MOT units will help us, though - we don't get a Combined Arms bonus for pure MOT/MEC divisions, which is why I made our armored divisions ARM + 2 MOT.))

Additionally, I must caution you that the 2nd U.S. Army Rapid Response Corps (2nd U.S. R.R.C.) is likely to be detached from your command and redeployed to the Pacific Theater for the defense of the Philippines; furthermore, the current Italian advance to the Suez Canal means that Southern Command will most likely have priority for our reinforcements. Though it pains me to reject your request for additional forces, I have no free divisions at this time; that said, I will endeavor to provide you with whatever fire support that you require to compensate for the sparsity of your ground forces. ((The RRC will probably end up in the Pacific, saving the Philippines.))

With all the issues in your letter addressed (if not resolved), I have an assignment for you. Working under the assumption that you will have only the 3rd and 4th U.S. Army Corps under your command, I want you to create an operational plan for the liberation of Norway. In this plan, you may request as much specialist assistance (from our Airborne, Marine, and Ranger divisions), naval escort (from either our Surface Action Groups or our Carrier Task Forces) and air support (from our U.S. Army Air Corps) as necessary to complete your mission. I would like a working draft of your plan in my office by 8 PM on Friday, March 23rd; if you require additional time, please inform me ASAP so that I can adjust my schedule accordingly.

Best wishes,

General Douglas A. MacArthur

((If you're looking for the January 1941 savegame, you can find it here. You'll want to download it - the situation has seriously changed over the past in-game year.))
 
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To General MacArthur : Commanding Officer Atlantic Command
From General Stillwell : Commanding Officer Northern US Army Group

In regard to my request for artillery units, I was proposing one unit of artillery per corp HQ just to bolster local attacks. I understand your questioning of allowing my forces to be upgraded to fully motorised forces. I would much prefer mechanized forces, with an additional tank destroyer brigade per division (CA bonus!) if and when those forces become available.

Also if the 2nd RRC is required in the pacific theater, I will use those forces currently in training only and not impliment them in stratigic planning.

In an effort to prevent information clogging the political debates, I do have an operational plan formed (beginning stages) for the liberation of Norway. I can post those operational orders here or message them to your by private courier. ((Not sure if the senators want to see this lol))

Signed

General Stillwell

((It's actually a workable plan given that AI germany always garrisons norway with alot of armor/mech forces for some reason))
 
General MacArthur

Here is the OOB I want with the units now(do not mind officers)

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I request for my Army
1-2 Marine Divisions
1 pure Light or Normal Armour Division

Thanks for consideration
Gen. Devers
 
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We need to clearly define who has what responsibilities; Chimina, could you please share your thoughts? Tom, as Chief of the Army, did OOBs and build orders, but in wartime it might be more expedient to let the Theater Commanders decide their OOBs once you've assigned assets. I'll leave it up to you, Chimina.

Does anybody have any budget bills in the works? The deadline is tomorrow, but I don't mind extending it if we need to.
 
(( I'd do a budget but I'm restricted to voting.

I think it'd be most prudent to give Theater Commanders their assets and let them assign their units to OOBs, it's just easier. ))
 
As i already stated Aye to Lend-Lease, WITH the Soviet Union, they might not be our friends, but we'll need them to defeat germany

- Senator Franz Vormüller (Independent Socialist - WA)
 
As i already stated Aye to Lend-Lease, WITH the Soviet Union, they might not be our friends, but we'll need them to defeat germany

- Senator Franz Vormüller (Independent Socialist - WA)
No, we won't. We will end up fighting them after Germany and Japan are done for. Communism is as much the enemy of freedom as is Fascism.
 
No, we won't. We will end up fighting them after Germany and Japan are done for. Communism is as much the enemy of freedom as is Fascism.

Bad idea. Napoleon's invasion failed, Hitler's invasion WILL fail, and I doubt America could beat the Russians on their home soil.
 
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Bad idea. Napoleon's invasion failed, Hitler's invasion WILL fail, and I doubt America could beat the Russians on their home soil.

Senator Philipps,

What you've said is true to a point, but any American liberation of Russia from the Soviet Union would be far different from either Napoleon's invasion or Hitler's expected invasion.

Firstly, unlike Napoleon and Hitler, we would not be fighting a two-front war. During his invasion of Russia, Napoleon was engaged in a full-scale war in Spain that kept hundreds of thousands of his best troops from deployment to Russia, while Hitler will need to remove entire armies from the Soviet border to prevent rebellions in the occupied nations and guard against a British counter-offensive. By contrast, any American effort would focus purely on the Soviets (as any wars against the Axis powers would be concluded before even considering a war with the USSR), and we could deploy all our forces to the front (since we could use our Navy to safeguard our shores)

Secondly, unlike Napoleon and Hitler, we will not fight the Soviet Union alone. Napoleon relied heavily on soldiers from nominally "allied" nations to fill his ranks; thus, when the war , these men - and the nations and states they stood for - often turned against him, driving him into a rapid spiral of destruction. Similarly, Hitler's Wehrmacht will be supported by only his puppets and erstwhile "allies," many of whom, such as Hungary, Romania, and Finland, could defect to our cause, given the opportunity. If we invade the Soviet Union, on the other hand, we will be supported by dedicated friends and comrades-in-arms, who will owe the liberation of these nations to us - and who will stand by us to the war's end, regardless of its outcome.

Finally - and perhaps most critically - unlike Napoleon and Hitler, we would seek to liberate Russia, not conquer it. Had Napoleon freed the serfs from the oppression of the Tsars, he would have encountered minimal resistance from the Russian peasantry, and could have found shelter and resupply in sympathetic Russian cities, thereby making the Russian people his ally against the Tsar; instead, he left the serfdom intact, allowing the Tsar to paint Napoleon's invasion as a war against the Russian nation and dooming Napoleon to defeat. Likewise, if Hitler were to focus purely on eradicating Communism, he could build support among anti-Communist and nationalist partisans within the USSR, and thereby prevent Moscow from rallying its people in another "Great Patriotic War"; fortunately for the Kremlin, Hitler's expansionist ideology precludes any possibility of such insight, and will prompt ordinary Russians to take up arms against him. But if we were to declare war on the Soviet Union, for the sole purpose of liberating the nation of Russia from Communist slavery, we could turn the Russian people against the Bolshevik regime, thereby protecting our supply columns from guerrilla attacks and ensuring that the Red Army finds itself staffed by unwilling conscripts rather than willing volunteers.

Would destroying the Communist regime be easy? No, for a conflict between the United States of America and the Soviet Union would be, without a doubt, the bloodiest conflict in the history of the world - even more violent and destructive than one between America and the Nazi regime in Berlin. But when we succeed, we will have eradicated the single greatest menace to our liberty in history, and made the world - for the first time in recorded history - truly safe for democracy.

Perhaps, given your background, you believe that the Communist Party may eventually disband its totalitarian "government" in favor of a democratic society... but given that - in spite of the clear and present danger posed by Nazi Germany, its greatest ideological nemesis - the totalitarian regime of Moscow has crippled its own army to satisfy the paranoia of a mad dictator, I am uninclined to put either my faith or my arms in Soviet hands.

- Senator Stephen McCarthy (D-TX)
 
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I practically insist on it!


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Is budget stuff really that boring that nobody wants to do it? Let's try this: Saithis and son of liberty, go ahead and post your budget ideas in the thread. If two other Senators sign off on one or both, we'll use them. At the very least, I'm hoping it will stimulate some debate.