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    Honored Senators,

    Allow me to take this opportunity to welcome you to the classified briefings of the Senate Armed Services Committee. Should you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to ask either myself, my fellow Theater Commanders, the Service Chiefs, or the executive branch.

    As always, we remain your loyal servants.

    General Omar N. Bradley
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    Poll is closed. Our Reactor will be built in Atlanta. I'm going to play tomorrow (maybe tonight), as Tom has sent along his plans for this coming month.
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    Operation Vandal: The Invasion of Italy

    Atlantic Theater Briefing: June 1942


    Until this classification is altered by the President of the United States or the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the contents of this briefing are classified Top Secret. Under the Espionage Act of 1917, the transmission of this briefing in any format to unauthorized parties constitutes an act of treason, and will be prosecuted accordingly.

    Situation Report


    Despite initial difficulties in our landing operations, Northern Command has successfully liberated Norway from German occupation; enemy forces in that theater have been severed from resupply and reinforcement, and lack the capacity to conduct operations of any significant size. Accordingly, I will conclude Operation Fortitude as soon as we crush the final German probe at Narvik, withdrawing Northern Command for operations elsewhere; accordingly, CTF Yorktown is to be returned to the Pacific Theater ASAP. Though the return of the Norwegian government to Oslo is outside my purview, I recommend that we officially liberate Norway as soon as possible.

    Meanwhile, Southern Command’s successful liberation of North Africa has secured a stable supply route for our invasion of the Italian mainland. The significant fraction of the Regio Esercito trapped on the eastern side of the Suez Canal lacks the supply to mount significant offensive operations, neutralizing roughly one-third of the Italian army. Consequently, I am recalling our Second Army from British service; the 11th Corps will guard the west bank of the Suez Canal, while the 6th and 9th Corps return to active duty elsewhere.

    Formation Changes


    Northern Command will return to England, where it will prepare for other offensive operations: depending on the progress of the Italian campaign, its elements may be deployed to northern Italy as part of Operation Ostrogoth, or may open another front in Europe.

    Additionally, Second Army will be recalled from British service, as a successful invasion of Italy will obviate the need for a campaign in the Middle East. Second Army’s 6th and 9th Corps will return to Libya in preparation for other operations; meanwhile, 11th Corps will remain in Egypt, guarding the western bank of the Suez Canal from a potential Italian counterattack.

    Operation Vandal: Italian Invasion Plan

    Strategic Objectives


    Operation Vandal is our first foray onto the European continent, and the first major land offensive that we have conducted in this war. Encompassing nineteen divisions, three major fleets, and nine wings of aircraft, this campaign has a single primary objective: to force the surrender of the Kingdom of Italy.

    Pre-Operational Deployments


    Prior to the operation, Southern Command’s land forces will gather in Bengasi. During this accumulation, we will redeploy TRG Buffalo from Bergen to Bengasi; simultaneously, TRG Hippo will transport our AA brigades from Gibraltar to Bengasi, while TRG Pelican will transport our four armored divisions and four artillery brigades still in the United States to Bengasi.

    Once all of our transports in the Atlantic Theater have combined in Bengasi, and the majority of Fourth Army’s forces have arrived in the port, we will commence Operation Vandal.

    Landing Operations


    Under the supporting fire of SAG Texas, the U.S. Marine Corps will storm and capture the Italian fleet base at Taranto; once the city is captured, the Marines will form a defensive perimeter around the port until Southern Command’s forces relieve them. With Taranto under our control, we will transport Southern Command’s forces to the Italian mainland, prioritizing our armored forces.

    Once all Southern Command forces arrive in Taranto, General Devers will assume local command of the invasion. Southern Command will advance steadily, with full support from our naval and air forces; its objectives encompass a line stretching from Rome through Perugia to Ancona, as well as capturing the port of Palermo in Sicily.

    Naval and Air Operations


    Throughout the operation, SAGs Tennessee and New York will be at the disposal of Southern Command; SSQs Bobcat and Raccoon will also be present to interdict hostile commercial and transport vessels. After its initial escort role, SAG Texas – along with our Atlantic transports – will be redeployed to Bergen to transport Northern Command back to England for future operations.

    Southern Command’s air forces, including seven fighter wings and two bomber wings, should be sufficient to dominate the skies above Italy and interdict the movement of Italian forces.

    Post-Operation Deployments


    Once we have secured a foothold in southern Italy, we should be able to break through the Italian lines and press northward through the Apennine mountains. Genova, Bologna, Milano, and Venezia will all be objectives of this second phase; capturing these four cities should force Mussolini’s fascist regime to surrender.

    Follow-up Deployments: Operation Ostrogoth


    Despite Italy’s commitment to the Eastern Front, we expect that the Italian army will rush back to defend its heartland once the scale of our invasion becomes apparent; we estimate that we have roughly two months before we encounter significant resistance. Accordingly, we may need to launch a second amphibious invasion of Italy, ensuring a swift conclusion to our Italian campaign.

    If Ostrogoth becomes necessary, the Marine Corps will invade and capture Genova; once the city is secure, we will deploy Second Army to begin pressing the Italian lines from the west, wedging the Regio Esercito between Southern Command’s western and southern spearheads. This concentration of force should enable us to flank the Italian defenses; we can then advance to our second-stage objectives as previously described, forcing the surrender of Mussolini’s regime.

    Conclusion


    This offensive offers the potential to force the surrender of the Kingdom of Italy, potentially opening the path for an assault on Germany itself through former Austria. Additionally, capturing Italy would grant us an ideal position from which to strike at Hungary, Slovakia, or occupied Yugoslavia, granting us influence in these regions in our postwar negotiations with the advancing Soviet Union.

    However, since Italy will have withdrawn its forces from the Eastern Front in response to our assault, the ongoing Soviet advance into Eastern Europe will likely accelerate as a result of our campaign; in light of the USSR’s historical behavior regarding “liberated” nations, this could result in the installation of anti-American regimes in Poland, Romania, Czechoslovakia, and eastern Germany.

    In light of these political issues, I request that Congress consider the following questions:
    • The terms of surrender that we will offer to the Italian government: should we demand total surrender, or simply settle for the installation of a democratic government?
    • The direction of any follow-up offensive after the conclusion of this campaign: should we immediately march northward to attack Germany, or launch offensives into the Balkan states?
    • The relative importance of Italy vs. other fronts: should we focus on knocking Italy out of the war, even if that requires ignoring other potential opportunities? Or should we open another front in Europe, and risk the failure of both offensives?
    • Post-war settlement with the Soviet Union: should we make an agreement to divide Europe between ourselves and the communists? If so, which countries should fall into our respective spheres of influence – and what will we do if they violate such an agreement?

    Proposed: General Douglas A. MacArthur, C-in-C Atlantic
    Approved: Wendell Willikie, President of the United States
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    In light of the exigencies of war, I am approving General MacArthur's plan personally. I am also using my authority to restore the rightful Norwegian government to Oslo, in the event that Narvik is secured at the end of 1942.

    We will discuss the political questions that General MacArthur raises -- and others -- at my State of the Union address on July 1st ((tomorrow)). Until then, please make your opinions known.

    President Willkie

    ((I'd normally leave a momentous decision like liberating Norway to the Senate, but I want to play and get a new update for you guys. ))
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    My responses to the questions of Gen MacArthur.
    1.Total Annexation for now.After the war we may make them a puppet
    2.Hold the line on the mountains and lauch operations in the balkans.We must hit before the soviets do
    3.Italy will be the priority for now.After the conquest an invasion of France or Germany or Poland(it is not that weird) will be priority and lesser priority will be balkan liberation

    to sum the priorities
    1.Invasion of the German Reich,France or Poland
    2.Italy
    3.Balkans

    4.To avoid a new war we will divide europe with them.But every country we liberate it will be in our SoI.If they refuse we will see what we will do later

    Senator John Sarigis(I leader-SC)

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    Senator John Sarigis, this is the United States of America. We do not go around annexing sovereign nations. Let's install a loyal democratic government in Italy, and any other belligerents that we are forced to occupy.
    "If you love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; may your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

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    1. No Annexation, but Liberation!

    2. Prioritize on the Balkan and upcoming Italian front.

    3. No deals with the Commies!
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    1. The terms must be the installation of a democratic government. It would be abhorrent to the people of the United States to, in the act of liberation, conquer a nation's people.

    2. I believe liberation of the Balkans should take priority over Germany, thus weakening her foothold, and hopefully taking possible gains away from the Soviets.

    3. We should currently focus on Italy, however open a 2nd front once it is known we can hold the ground in Italy without worry.

    4. We will probably be unable to keep the Soviets from holding on to lands they take, however we should make every effort to keep Poland, and possibly Czechoslovakia, from falling under her sphere of influence. One cannot, in good conscience, fight a way for the liberation of these people, and win it by turning those people over to despotism.

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    1. We must liberate Italy. We are not a nation of conquerors, but rather a nation of liberators and we must bring democracy to Italy.

    2. The Balkans should take priority over an assault on Germany at this time. The Balkans must be liberated now; we cannot risk losing them to the Soviets and communism. Also, if Germany does not control the Balkans an assault into Germany will prove easier than if they did.

    3. We should focus on the Italian campaign before we become involved in another front, unless an opportunity to assault the Balkans becomes available and a victory in Italy is certain.

    4. Ideally, we do not want the Soviets to gain any land in Europe. We cannot fight to liberate these nations from a fascist totalitarian regime and hand them over to a communist totalitarian regime.

    Senator Andrew Ryan, R-MI

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    1. Liberate the people of Europe and allow them the right that is democracy. We're not colonizers.
    2. Liberate the Balkans first after Italy. That way, we can take Poland from Germany and hit Berlin on both sides.
    3. Unless it would benefit us to open a new front, invade all of Europe via Italy. Though if we can invade Greece from Crete, that would be spectacular.
    4. Prevent the spread of Bolshevism at all costs. I refuse to trade one tyrant for another.

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    Interesting arguments; as I said, we'll begin a formal vote later today when I post the State of the Union update today. (There won't be a separate update with battles and such because, well, there weren't any!)
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    State of the Union: July 1, 1942


    Friends,

    I address you today at what may be our finest hour as of yet. King Haakon VII and his government have returned to Oslo after our victory at the Final Battle of Narvik. While German troops do remain in Norway, they have been cut off from all means of supply. Elements of the Northern Command will be detached to provide security until the Norwegian Army can provide for itself.





    In the Mediterranean, the Italian navy has been battered and broken; Admiral Leahy has an extensive list of which units the Italians lost which will be distributed later. Our Marines landed at Taranto, Italy, on June 28, with Fourth Army in the process of deploying to seize the rest of Italy. The landing was entirely unopposed.



    Ironically, our greatest difficulty has been with our British friends; although they promised to release our Second Army for service early this morning, as of this speech we have no confirmation of their return.



    For the first time in months, we lost no transports to enemy forces; unfortunately, this may be because Japan is increasing the pressure on China.



    Let us remember the sacrifices we have made to come this far, but we may celebrate, at least for now. You, Senators, have much to discuss. After you receive Admiral Leahy's briefing book, I will outline what we must decide and when.

    One last thing: ground was broken on our Atlanta reactor on June 4; scientists estimate that construction will be completed in January of 1943, if not sooner. I have given these scientists carte blanche to expand the reactor as much as possible. ((That is, level 10 reactor.)) As of June 8, we are at capacity in officers, with 40% more than we actually need, and so I have diverted additional resources. Our scientists tell me we can now work on 37 research projects at once, a truly remarkable number! I have chosen technologies based on the requests made by our Chiefs.

    Technologies learned: Civil Nuclear Research 1, Basing 3
    Convoys sunk (transports/escorts): 8/0
    Warships sunk: 1 x CA (Trieste), 1 x CL (Bari), 1 x DD, and 3 x transport (Italian), 1 x DD (Romanian)
    Units constructed: 2 x Tank Destroyer Brigades (deployed to Norfolk)
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    Chimina, I deleted the PM you sent me with how the AA and arty brigades were to be deployed; as of now, every division in Fourth Army has an AA brigade, and those 2 x INF divisions were given one arty and one AA brigade. I plan to allocate the remaining AA to Second Army when we get it back; if you need me to change, let me know. We also have the four armored divisions in Bengazi; let me know who you want to lead the corps (assuming we'll make it a corps) and how you want it attached.

    Tom, we'll proceed as you suggested with Fourth Army in your PM. Please send me your plans for Second Army and, if any, Northern Command, including which units you'd want to detach, if any.

    Saithis, we also have some carriers and transports, sitting in LA (or possibly San Diego) with no home.

    son of liberty, you needn't include the nuclear reactor in any future budget.

    Senators, it is time to discuss the questions that Tom proposed. I do not want to treat these haphazardly: I want unified bills to be voted upon. It won't be like we did the Allies, Axis, and Comintern vote earlier; that's a little messy, and I think this is the better solution.

    Here are the questions any bill proposed must discuss:

    1. What to do with Italy? (Annex, puppet, or install democracy)
    2. Post-Italy war plans? (Germany, Balkans, something else)
    3. Priority of Italy (Open a front in addition to Italy, or focus on knocking out Italy)
    4. What to do with the Soviets? (Divide Europe, try to beat the Soviets at every turn, declare war on the Soviets now [for the adventurous types!])
    5. What to do with China? (Send expeditionary force, let them handle it, transfer additional resources to Pacific Theater)

    We are only proposing bills at this stage. Feel free to discuss them in-thread, but do not attempt to vote until I say voting is open. A bill must address all five questions; we can have as many different bills as we need.

    I would like two or more bills ready by Monday at 10 PM (-6 GMT). We'll vote after that.

    One final thing: I am going to be out of town from June 10 to June 29, away from my PC. This means that I will not be able to play or update until I return after June 10. I'll be able to check the thread, but my netbook pretty much has a heart attack at the thought of trying to run FTM on it.
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    I, like many of my fellow senators I am sure, would be very interested in hearing our military leader’s opinions on the situation in China and what we have the capacity to do in response. I would also appreciate their opinion on what they think we should do, before any bills addressing the matter are brought to a vote.

    Senator Andrew Ryan, R-MI
    ((I have a bill ready to propose pending our military's opinion on the China situation))
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    1. Install Democracy
    2. Balkans, if campaign will be fast, we can try to cut Soviets from the rest of Germany by marching north
    3. Open front
    4. We have enough problems with Axis powers, I suggest to declare war on Soviets after beating Axis and after reorganization of troops on all fronts. This binds to success of campaign in Italy, Balkans and Germany, if we cut Soviets from the rest of Germany, we will have better chance to beat Soviets in future.
    5. Let them handle it. I think we must concentrate at Germany and Italy, we must secure this areas before Soviets, after that, we can intervene in China and Japan. I think China will not fall, they are fighting Japan 4 years(5?).

    Senator Jack Rimbly, (German-American Bund) VA

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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar-kar View Post
    1. Install Democracy
    2. Balkans, if campaign will be fast, we can try to cut Soviets from the rest of Germany by marching north
    3. Open front
    4. We have enough problems with Axis powers, I suggest to declare war on Soviets after beating Axis and after reorganization of troops on all fronts. This binds to success of campaign in Italy, Balkans and Germany, if we cut Soviets from the rest of Germany, we will have better chance to beat Soviets in future.
    5. Let them handle it. I think we must concentrate at Germany and Italy, we must secure this areas before Soviets, after that, we can intervene in China and Japan. I think China will not fall, they are fighting Japan 4 years(5?).

    Senator Jack Rimbly, (German-American Bund) VA
    ((they have to be in some sort of bill form))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jos Ballenbak View Post
    ((they have to be in some sort of bill form))
    To clarify -- for the purposes of stimulating discussion, free form is fine, but Jos Ballenbak is correct, ultimately I'd like to see a proper bill before voting.

    Re: Senator Ryan's comments, at present, we have nothing in theater with which we could help China right away. I'll let General Bradley give a more detailed response at his discretion.
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    I propose the following bill to my fellow senators to outline our foreign policy and war goals in the coming months and years.

    The Freedom for Europe Act

    1. The country of Italy shall be liberated and a friendly, democratic government shall be installed in place of the current fascist regime as soon as is practical, to be determined by the President.

    2. Once the situation in Italy is stable (as determined by the President) plans will be drawn up for the liberation of the Balkan states under German control. This will weaken Germany for future allied offensives and allow for plans to restrict the Soviets entrance into Europe.

    3. Italy will be set as our main priority with plans for the liberation of the Balkan states to be made as soon as the Italian front becomes stable. This can be accomplished by the establishment of a democratic government, or American control of the majority of the Italian peninsula, as determined by the President and his commanders.

    4. Great effort must be made to beat the Soviets wherever possible in order to protect the freedom for the peoples of Europe; however war must be avoided for as long as we are at war with Germany.

    5. At this time it is not practical to aid China in its war with Japan and so we must leave them to their own devices while we help the subjugated peoples of Europe.

    Signed: Senator Andrew Ryan, R-MI

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    Senator Ryan

    I would gladly co-sign your proposed bill, as it is my thoughts exactly on these matters.

    Senator Charles Beckendorf, D-MA
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