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    We, the People -- A USA Interactive FTM AAR

    Welcome to my new Interactive AAR! This is my first HOI AAR, although I've played it quite a bit in the past.

    Approved by Qorten

    I will need four players, ideally with some familiarity with the game and the US, to take the following spots: Chief of Staff of the Army, Chief of Staff of the Navy, Chief of Staff of the Air Force, and Armaments Minister (who for our purposes will be responsible for province constructions, like radar, etc.).

    The Chiefs will determine the following:
    -- OOBs
    -- Deployments
    -- Construction
    -- Techs for their particular branch.

    The Minister will determine:
    -- All non-military techs
    -- All non-unit construction.

    When/if the war starts, we'll also look for theater commanders.
    Every six months, the Big Four, so to speak, are up for review, and can be replaced. They are free to resign at any time, provided we find a replacement.

    So what about everyone else, you ask? You're Congress! Each other player can make up a character, naming the state, political party, and position your character has. (Only Senators/Representatives; remember, AK and HI aren't states yet.) What do you vote on?

    -- Foreign policy plans
    -- Budgets for IC, including total distribution and which of the four gets what for construction purposes.
    -- Budgets for leadership, including total distribution and which of the four gets which techs.
    -- Declaring war/signing peace treaties
    -- Which faction we align ourselves to, if any
    -- If one of the Big Four needs to be fired/replaced
    -- Input on our general deployments overseas
    -- All decisions and law changes
    -- Nukes!
    -- Etc.

    I will serve as de facto President, VP, Head of Intelligence, and Foreign Minister. I will only vote to break ties (as VP). All army groups and below will be on AI control when/if the war starts. There are a couple of specific exceptions:
    -- Marines are the property of the Navy.
    -- Transports planes are under the control of the Army.
    -- All invasions will be handled manually; once ports and/or airbases are seized, control must be handed over to the AI.

    For the navy and air force, it'll be up to the respective chief.

    Peace time updates will cover a six month period; war time updates will be approximately two to four weeks, depending on events. I'd like votes to last no more than 72 hours.

    If you want to ask a general question that's OOC, please use these (( )). Finish most communications with your job/title/etc. so we know who is who.

    Bills and voting: When time comes to submit budgets and other bills, any Congressperson is free to submit a proposal, but it must be co-authored. This is to prevent, say, 10 people voting over 9 bills. When a minimum of three bills have been submitted, I will officially kick off voting for that particular area of concern. All votes must be bolded so I can count them.

    Political Parties: Republican, Democrat, or Independent. Since parties don't matter much for the purposes of this game, I probably won't allow new ones, but that's at my discretion.

    Factions: We will not join a faction until WWII has started, unless of course we are declared upon. If I am invited to join, it will be put to a vote.

    Trade: Trade will be automated.

    Production: Consumer goods will be locked at the maximum to ensure zero dissent; I will use automated options for the rest (i.e. Production, Upgrades, Reinforcements) based upon your votes during peace time.

    Espionage: I will allocate available spies first to the US until we have ten; subsequent spies will be based upon our foreign policy.

    Foreign Policy: I'm responsible for executing it, and we won't DOW anybody we don't have a legitimate threat against (i.e. sticking within game mechanics). However, we'll take votes on faction alignment and general policy. Again, must be supported by two Senators/Representatives.

    Characters: Nothing against Forum rules. Other than that, you can pick whatever you want. We'll only have 2 Senators from each state, and I'll make a roster so people know how many spots are open. Again, we'll need name, state, and party affiliation.

    Filibusters: Any party leader has the power to filibuster a bill to enact certain changes he'd like to see. He may do this once per session. The filibustee has the option to withdraw the bill, amend the bill, or ignore it, in which case we vote to overturn the filibuster. 2/3s must vote to overturn.

    Quorum: Any Senator may request a quorum at any time, if the President (me) approves it.

    I'll post a save, hosted by another site, so you can download it and follow along. I'll also take plenty of screenshots, of course! If you have any questions, feel free to ask in-thread ((with these, of course)) or by PM.

    Here's the initial save (all settings on normal; this is the default setup, no changes made):

    Beginning save



    Current Roster:
    Chief of the Army and Air Force: Gen. Marshall
    Chief of the Navy: Novatheorem
    Secretary of War: Matt Adler

    Atlantic Theater Commander: son of liberty

    Pacific Theater Commander: Novatheorem

    Senators
    Unlisted states are fair game
    California: full
    Arizona: full
    New York: full
    Florida: full
    Pennsylvania: full
    Louisiana: full
    Ohio: full
    Massachusetts: full
    South Carolina: full
    Virginia: full
    Illinois: full
    Indiana: full
    Washington: full
    Georgia: full
    Wyoming: 1 spot left
    Texas: full
    Mississippi: full
    Oregon: full
    Maryland: full
    Tennessee: 1 spot left
    Idaho: full
    Maine: full
    Michigan: full
    Rhode Island: full
    Minnesota: 1 spot left
    Kentucky: 1 spot left
    Wisconsin: 1 spot left
    Nevada: full
    Colorado: full
    West Virginia: full
    North Dakota: 1 spot left
    Missouri: 1 spot left
    New Jersey: 1 spot left
    Nebraska: 1 spot left

    Current Senators (listed by seniority or when they joined the AAR)

    * denotes current party leader

    Independents

    Jake Manson, AZ (Socialist): Jake Manson
    Henry Heidelburg, CA (German-American Bund): Tallfellow
    Alvin Carl Miller, AZ (Communist): Cephalos
    John Sarigis, SC (Left-wing radical): Greek HOI3*
    John Davis, IN (Socialist): EU3NOOB
    Franz Vormüller, WA (Left-wing radical): tyriet
    Randall McGeehan, Jr., MD (Fascist): mrfinns
    Prescott Bush, TX: zombiejase
    Jack Rimbly, VA (German-American Bund): oskar-kar
    Eric Anderson (Social Liberal), MN: pathfinder
    Steven Hyde (Socialist), WI: Annex the Web
    Vincent Surov (America First), CO: Panzer4Life
    Kurt Fischer (Non-partisan league), ND: jjstinson


    Democrats

    William Fitzgerald Kenzington, D-NY: Derahan
    John Linton, D-FL: Sethanon
    Charles Beckendorf, D-MA: Vrael_1492
    George Coleman, D-PA: Clophiroth
    Cornelius Frederickson, D-VA: Imperator1993
    John Baker, D-IL: whitesox
    Gordon Sinclar, D-IL: Jos Ballenbak
    Thomas de Brink, D-WY: Chimina
    Stephen McCarthy, D-TX: TankofMidgets
    Vernon "Pappy" O'Daniel, D-MS: Madman564323
    Sarah Quentin O'Hanahan, D-OR: Saithis
    Mary Phillips, D-CA: Sakura_F*
    Richard D. Sharpe, D-WA: Chimpanzee That
    Paul Jaeger, D-TN: uberbyford
    Marcus Jefferson, D-LA: Caezaire
    Peter Dawson, D-MD: CSS Hunley
    Sebastian Lender, D-GA: wzhang29
    Keon Monniset, D-NV: Novatheorem
    Joseph A. Burns, D-SC: PvtPrivate
    Peter G. Gerry, D-RI: robw963
    Alexander Anikin, D-UT: jeeshadow
    Ryan Marshall, D-NV: Gen. Marshall
    John Andersen, D-CO: thekonkoe
    Frank P. Briggs, D-MO: dresdor
    David Worth Clark, D-ID: shierholzer
    Joseph Shulz-Fisher, D-NE: Zealuu

    Republicans

    Nathan B. Mount, R-NY: NotFuchs
    Clark Gable, R-FL: Terraferma
    Elizabeth H. Danner, R-PA: Moonstruck
    Alistair Canseliet, R-LA: Lyonessian
    Thomas Rudolph, R-OH: arosenberger14
    Elexis Sinclaire, R-MA: SovietAmerika*
    Wilhelm Tiffany Winklebottom, R-OH: VagabondLMG
    Richard Newman, R-GA: son of liberty
    Elijah Combas, R-OR: Sirce
    Michael Collins, R-TN: Sparta141
    John Williams, R-MS: Wsoxfan86
    Carl Stephen Englund, R-ID: Mr. Sometimes
    Wallace H. White, R-ME: VonMudra
    Andrew Ryan, R-MI: Plutonium95
    David Osborn, R-MI: awesomesauce47
    Henry Asquith, R-ME: Uliono
    David Heuwi Anderson, R-RI: Fire and Ash
    Frederick M. Sackett, R-KY: Staf_de_Clercq
    John G. Lennox, R-WV: NikoHOI3
    Sam G. Ecossais, R-WV: Dadarian
    Raymond E. Willis, R-IN: ChargingPickett
    Anthony Crawford, R-NJ: Civilwar803

    War plans
    1941
    Operation Fortitude (Invasion of Norway)
    Operation Tinderbox (Allied invasion of Italian ports and North Africa)
    Operation Buckler (Response to Japan)

    1942
    Operation Ascendant (Offensive action against Japan)
    Atlantic Theater plans, second half, 1942

    1943
    Operation Hannibal: Invasion of France
    Operation Catalyst (island hopping)
    Atlantic plans, July and August 1943
    Pacific plans, September and October 1943
    Atlantic plans, September and October 1943
    Pacific plans, November and December 1943
    Atlantic plans, November and December 1943

    1944
    Pacific plans, January and February 1944
    Atlantic plans, January and February 1944 (part 1)
    Atlantic plans, January and February 1944 (part 2)
    Pacific plans, March and April 1944


    Current budget
    Fiscal Year 1942
    Fiscal Year 1943 (Option A)
    Fiscal Year 1944 (Army/Air Force/Other) [revised]
    Fiscal Year 1944 (Navy)

    Other Important Bills
    Freedom for Europe Act [overall US strategy from 7/42 on in Europe]
    Pacific-Asia Defense Act [fate of Japan post WW-II]
    Romanian and Hungarian Transition to Peace Act
    Democratical Operational Planning Evaluation Act [requires all plans to be submitted to Congress before acceptance]
    Liberation of Vichy France bill
    Sinclaire Nuclear Weapons Act

    Important note: This AAR will continue until we have accomplished all fifteen victory conditions set by the AI and liberated Poland, per this vote. To do this, we must defeat the Soviet Union, after the events here.



    EDIT 2/17/12: Added filibuster and quorum procedures.
    4/2/12: Added war plans section.
    4/11/12: Added latest save link.
    5/6/12: Added link to the latest budget.
    5/8/12: Clarified AI control of army.
    6/4/12: Added important bills section.
    8/12/12: Added section on Senate Armed Services Committee.
    8/19/12: Disbanded above committee; will not be revived unless there is interest.
    11/28/12: Added note re: end of the AAR.
    12/12/12: Updated final note.
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    1936
    January State of the Union Address
    The Cabinet
    Events: January 1 to June 30
    July State of the Union Address
    Events: July 1 to December 31

    1937
    January State of the Union Address
    Events: January 1 to June 30
    July State of the Union Address
    Events: July 1 to December 31

    1938
    January State of the Union Address
    Events: January 1 to July 1
    July State of the Union Address
    Events: July 1 to December 31

    1939
    January State of the Union Address
    Events: January 1 to July 1
    July State of the Union Address
    Events: July 1 to January 1

    1940
    January State of the Union Address
    Events: January 1 to July 1
    July State of the Union Address
    Events: July 1 to January 1

    1941
    January State of the Union Address (featuring President Willkie!)
    Events: January 1 to July 1
    July State of the Union Address
    November 6, 1941: WAR!

    Wartime updates
    State of the Union, January 1, 1942 (includes combat from 11/6/41 to 1/1/42)
    February briefing by Admiral Leahy (events from 1/1/42 to 2/1/42)
    March briefing (2/1/42 to 3/1/42)
    April briefing (3/1/42 to 4/1/42)
    May briefing (4/1/42 to 5/1/42)
    June briefing (5/1/42 to 6/1/42)
    State of the Union, July 1, 1942 (includes events from 6/1/42 to 7/1/42)
    August briefing (7/1/42 to 8/1/42)
    September briefing (8/1/42 to 9/1/42)
    October briefing (9/1/42 to 10/1/42)
    November briefing (10/1/42 to 11/1/42)
    December briefing (11/1/42 to 12/1/42)
    January briefing (12/1/42 to 1/1/43)

    1943
    February briefing (1/1/43 to 2/1/43)
    March briefing (2/1/43-3/1/43)
    April briefing (3/1/43 to 4/1/43)
    May briefing (4/1/43 to 5/1/43)
    July briefing (5/1/43 to 7/1/43)
    September briefing (7/1/43 to 9/1/43)
    November briefing (9/1/43 to 11/1/43)

    1944
    January briefing (11/1/43 to 1/1/44)
    March briefing (1/1/44 to 3/1/44)
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    Alright, you've got my interest in taking part. I'd be interested in the post of Chief of Navy, given Naval combat is the area I have the most experience and success with in HOI3, but if someone else is interested I'm willing to bow out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saithis View Post
    Alright, you've got my interest in taking part. I'd be interested in the post of Chief of Navy, given Naval combat is the area I have the most experience and success with in HOI3, but if someone else is interested I'm willing to bow out.
    The post is yours! Let me know which in-game character you'd like to be (must be available in '36) and send along your preliminary OOB via PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avindian View Post
    The post is yours! Let me know which in-game character you'd like to be (must be available in '36) and send along your preliminary OOB via PM.
    Excellent. :) I think I'd like Standley well enough, IIRC he's the default Naval advisor and he suits what I want to achieve.

    I'll send you an OOB by tonight, hopefully.
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    This looks mighty interesting, I will def. be following! I have played a great deal of HoI2 but Im afraid I am too inexperienced to play a character in this Interactive AAR!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sethanon View Post
    This looks mighty interesting, I will def. be following! I have played a great deal of HoI2 but Im afraid I am too inexperienced to play a character in this Interactive AAR!
    Since when did inexperience ever stop anybody from being a Congressman? You might not be suited for one of the Big Four, but I'd love to have you along in votes and such; you just need a state, position (senator/congressman) and some kind of name!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakura_F View Post
    I enlist, and wish to be a female senator from California who is part of the Leninist Party!
    What's your name? I'll put you down as Independent for now; if there's enough people who want to be Leninists, then we'll make it an actual party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sethanon View Post
    This looks mighty interesting, I will def. be following! I have played a great deal of HoI2 but Im afraid I am too inexperienced to play a character in this Interactive AAR!
    Playing in Congress would still be a fair way to go, even if you don't feel confident playing a Chief!

    Sad that there's no female Chiefs of the Navy for myself. D:
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    It looks like the idea of the interactive HOI3 AARs is spreading

    If I may make a suggestion, I think that you shouldn't recruit many players. It's much easier to control a small group. Also, any potential player should realise that interactive AARs require player ACTIVITY to work properly. In case of Influence Wars, we've already had several player changes during the course of the game and the number of players dropped from 8 to 4. Players need to be reliable and the larger the group, the harder it becomes to control it.

    If you intend to start in 1936, then I think that updates covering just 3 months won't work. There is not that much activity during peace-time in HOI3 and this is especially true in the USA Vanilla game. With the current rules in place, you will need 4 updates to cover ONE year, so if the game ends up being remotely historical, that means about 16-20 updates of peace.

    I also don't think that you should use the AI for aircraft and ships. It isn't very reliable here.

    I see the potential of this if it becomes a role-playing AAR with the focus on conflict between congressmen/senators having various goals. IMO you need to rely on outside factors besides the game mechanics in order to make this work .

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    I would like to play as Chief of Army, if i can

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    I'll defy all means of logic and be a Communistic female senator from California who's skeptical of the Party's current influences from Moscow (Leninists ! = Stalin's lapdogs)

    So my character might cross the floor if she grows dissatisifed (meaning she'll probably move to the Social Democrats in 1937, when the Purge begins)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybvep View Post
    It looks like the idea of the interactive HOI3 AARs is spreading

    If I may make a suggestion, I think that you shouldn't recruit many players. It's much easier to control a small group. Also, any potential player should realise that interactive AARs require player ACTIVITY to work properly. In case of Influence Wars, we've already had several player changes during the course of the game and the number of players dropped from 8 to 4. Players need to be reliable and the larger the group, the harder it becomes to control it.

    If you intend to start in 1936, then I think that updates covering just 3 months won't work. There is not that much activity during peace-time in HOI3 and this is especially true in the USA Vanilla game. With the current rules in place, you will need 4 updates to cover ONE year, so if the game ends up being remotely historical, that means about 16-20 updates of peace.

    I also don't think that you should use the AI for aircraft and ships. It isn't very reliable here.

    I see the potential of this if it becomes a role-playing AAR with the focus on conflict between congressmen/senators having various goals. IMO you need to rely on outside factors besides the game mechanics in order to make this work .
    I've been a devoted follower of your AAR; it's part of the reason I started this one!

    As far as characters, I see four "full time-ish" members and the rest may come and go as they please. I will take your suggestion on update length; six months seems more reasonable then, so there's enough time for things to develop (unless, of course, something important happens and requires a vote.) Thanks for your comments!

    Quote Originally Posted by Derahan View Post
    I would like to play as Chief of Army, if i can
    You certainly may! (Love Polandball, by the way!) Give me your in-game character (available in '36) and send along the OOB via PM.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sakura_F View Post
    I'll defy all means of logic and be a Communistic female senator from California who's skeptical of the Party's current influences from Moscow (Leninists ! = Stalin's lapdogs)

    So my character might cross the floor if she grows dissatisifed (meaning she'll probably move to the Social Democrats in 1937, when the Purge begins)
    Very good
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    Should i send with the OOB where the units will be placed and who is commanding them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Derahan View Post
    Should i send with the OOB where the units will be placed and who is commanding them?
    Yes; that's I what I mean by OOB.

    EDIT: Derahan informed me via PM he is relinquishing his spot; therefore, Chief of the Army is open again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybvep View Post
    It looks like the idea of the interactive HOI3 AARs is spreading
    I'm hoping on it. I too will follow this. Good luck folks!
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    I submitted my starting OOB, we need fewer followers and more players! :P
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    I would be proud to represent the interests of the great state of Arizona in the Senate of these grand, united States of America!
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    I would be proud to represent the interests of the great state of Arizona in the Senate of these grand, united States of America!
    Name: Jake Manson, Senator for Arizona.
    Born: 1900 (age 37)
    Party: Socialist Party.

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    -- Foreign policy plans: Mass intervention overseas, maintenance of American hegemony over the Americas.

    -- Budgets for IC: Expansion of naval infrastructure, manufacturing facilities in the Western CONUS, massive expansion of the United States Navy, for the purposes of power projection and enforcement of the Monroe Doctrine.

    -- Budgets for Leadership: The United States must maintain its primacy in matters of industrial production and naval dominance. To these ends, any advances that strengthen leadership, IC, and our proud navy, must be prioritized.

    -- Declaring war/signing peace treaties: War should be declared when victory is guaranteed to be swift, peaces signed when they are in the best interests of the American people.

    -- Which faction we align ourselves to, if any: The People of the United States will not be the puppets or servants of foreign powers. We will align ourselves to the existing powers, as we need.

    -- If one of the Big Four needs to be fired/replaced: The assignment of military staff members is the perogative of the executive branch, not the legislative. Leave such matters to the President to decide.

    -- Input on our general deployments overseas: Maintain and strengthen our holdings overseas, though not to the extent of unduly endangering the security of CONUS.

    -- All decisions and law changes: Education must be the primary priority of this administration. America is unique among the great empires of history in its love of technology. It has served us well, and will continue to do so, as long as our people remain educated enough to ensure it. Besides education, I would encourage the expansion of the military-industrial complex, for the purposes of strengthening our nation.

    -- Nukes: Any and all weapons must be made available to our armed forces, for the protection of the Republic. Arizona will gladly play host to any advanced testing facilities that may be required for these ends. Hoover Dam will provide plenty of power, while the abundant copper mines should provide plentiful materials.

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