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    Christianity in Japan

    Hello everybody, I'm currently playing a Uesugi -> Japan game and I've decided to always accept Christian missionaries whenever they appear. So, well, I do just that. They menaged to convert about 8 of my provinces to Catholicism, but here's the problem: after about 2, 3 months these provinces revert back to Mahayana, not even leaving any minorities behind. As this is really frustrating (because I cannot form Christian Japan with this bug, grr), I need to find some resolution. I guess the ideal would be to change the actual event so that it gives Catholic minorities in Mahayana provs (so that "Jesuit Mission" give you just Presence, level after that a middle modifier, and the final event converts the prov to Catholicism with Mahayana minority), but I'm also willing to flip provinces manually, although currently I have no idea how to do this.

    I'm playing MMP2 '09 Christmas Edition.

    Is anyone willing to help?

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    It's been a long time, but here's how I remember it working:

    When you "embrace this new faith" for the first time, a random province gets a Jesuit mission lasting many years. The second time, another province gets a Jesuit mission, and the first province gets a heresy modifier. The third time, a third province gets a Jesuit mission, the second one gets a heresy modifier, and the first province gets converted to Catholic - which is meant to be temporary. It's an old way of converting provinces, and honestly I thought I had gotten rid of it in the mod, but I thought the mod was designed to allow for this kind of sudden religion change from any source.

    There's a maintenance event every couple months which checks the religion of each province against the flags it has - and, if the results are different, adjusts them. This is how conversions work, for example. This event also removes wrong-religion advisors, causes expelled minorities to flee to neighbour countries, etc. It's an awfully complex event, and I'm not sure I can remember exactly how it worked.

    It would be helpful if you could either post your save game here for me to look at, or find one of the affected provinces and quote the save game entry for it to me.
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    Here's my savegame, I hope it works:

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    Unfortunately, I've got Magna Mundi Ultimate (HttH) installed, so I wasn't able to open your save game in-game. That being said, the religion events shouldn't have changed significantly between the mods and there's a lot of information in the save file, so I took a look at it. You can skip down to the bottom to find my conclusions if you don't want to read my notes.

    First of all, I see you have the following flags:
    * japanese_christians
    * jesuits_arrive
    * shinto_state

    What this tells me is that your country is a Mahayana Buddhist country, and that the Jesuits have already arrived in Japan. This means you should be getting "the Black Robes visit Kozuke" events. By the way, you can speed up this event significantly by owning a province next to a Catholic country, hiring Jesuit advisors, and staying at 2+ stability.

    I also see that you chose to allow Christians to stay in Japan but chose NOT to convert to Christianity in the "Japanese Christians" event. That's too bad for you - it would have sped up your conversion by a huge amount. I can sympathize, though - you don't always get the event when things are going well, and few players are willing to convert state religion before there is a significant minority of that religion present already.

    So much for country flags. Now let's look at the provinces, since that's what you are having problems with.

    I searched for Jesuit missions and quickly found enough of a sample size to be helpful:

    Satsuma is 90% Mahayana, 5% Confucian and 5% Animist. It has the Jesuit Mission modifier until 1632.
    Aki is 90% Mahayana, 5% Confucian and 5% Animist. It has the Jesuit Mission modifier until 1622.
    Settsu is 90% Mahayana, 5% Confucian and 5% Animist. It has the Jesuit Mission modifier until 1619.
    Dewa is 85% Mahyana, 10% Animist and 5% Confucian. It has the Jesuit Mission modifier until 1616.
    Mutsu is 80% Mahayana, 15% Animist and 5% Confucian. It has the Jesuit Mission modifier until 1618.
    Hitachi is 85% Mahayana, 10% Animist and 5% Confucian. It has the Jesuit Mission modifier until 1637.

    As I read through your provinces, I admit to curiousity - how did Okinawa become 10% Sunni?

    The presence of the Jesuit Mission modifier is supposed to trigger the "Christian Missionaries" event. It can only fire in a non-Christian province (true) for a non-Christian country (true) in a province with the Jesuit Mission modifier, in a port or near a Christian province (true) and the owner can't have expelled the Christians (true). That leaves only one trigger - the owner must have at least 2+ Jesuit influence, which I see I forgot to check. Okay, you have 3 Jesuit Influence, so this is also true. You should be getting this event from time to time, then - which you say you are. Okay, so far, so good.

    Now let's look for evidence of successful missionaries - yep, that's there, too.

    In Dewa province, I see that the province converted to Catholic in 1574 and again in 1578 and a third time (!) in 1585 - and despite that, is still 0% Catholic. That is definitely a bug!

    Okay, let's see if I can replicate it without installing In Nomine separately. I started a game as a unified Japan in 1640, manually called up the "Black Robes" event, and lo and behold, Ise converted to Catholicism. A few months later, the maintenance event fired and Ise turned back to Mahayana Buddhist - leaving behind the "Jesuit Mission" modifier but without changing the province's makeup.

    So yeah - something is very wrong here. There's an event which is supposed to detect this kind of religion change and then change religious minorities, and if that's broken, then a LOT is going wrong.

    Clearly, something's gone wrong with Dei Gratia. There's supposed to be a way for the AI to check that a province has converted and then add the proper flags...I'd better do some more looking.

    It's going to take me a long time to figure out how the system works again - maybe I should have left behind better notes.

    Anyway, there are a couple of maintenance events with Byzantine coding in them I'll have to sort through - it could take a while. But the gist of it is that you're supposed to be getting the "heretics gain popular support" event (591019), which can only be triggered by one of two maintenance events, so we need to figure out why that's not happening.

    Okay, let's take a deeper look. The "Monarch leads prayer" event is the AI maintenance event which can fire off the "heretics gain popular support" for players. It does so when there is no converted_heathen variable, no converted_heretic variable, and no converts variable (true). In addition, it needs the province to be your own religion...well, that's the problem right there. The system is blind to provinces getting converted away from the state religion for the player. Let's see if adding this to the event will fix it:

    Code:
    								AND = { 
    									owner = { religion = shinto } 
    									check_variable = { which = "mahayana" value = 11 }
    									NOT = { religion = mahayana }
    									}
    Yes and no, apparently - it causes the "heresy" event to fire, but it doesn't cause the game to change modifiers.

    CONCLUSION

    It will take me some time to figure out the basic flaw in DG and fix it - in the meantime, though, we can solve Japan's particular problem easily enough. Just copy and paste the following code on top of the same events in your DG_Catholic.txt event file:
    Code:
    	country_event = {
    		#The Black Robes visit $CAPITAL$
    		id = 551061
    		trigger = {
    			PAP = {
    				has_country_flag = jesuits_founded
    			}
    			NOT = {
    				has_country_flag = jesuits_arrive
    			}
    			num_of_ports = 1
    			NOT = {
    				religion_group = muslim
    			}
    			NOT = {
    				religion_group = christian
    			}
    			OR = {
    				technology_group = chinese
    				technology_group = sub_saharan
    				technology_group = indian
    				AND = {
    					has_global_flag = magna_mundi
    					OR = {
    						technology_group = asia
    						technology_group = africa
    						technology_group = india
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		mean_time_to_happen = {
    			months = 600
    			modifier = {
    				has_country_flag = tanegashima#Magna Mundi Sengoku
    				factor = 0.7
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				any_neighbor_country = {
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    				}
    				factor = 0.25
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				any_neighbor_country = {
    					religion = catholic
    				}
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				NOT = {
    					ai = yes
    				}
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				advisor = jesuit_missionary
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				any_neighbor_country = {
    					has_country_flag = jesuits_arrive
    					culture_group = THIS
    				}
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				any_neighbor_country = {
    					has_country_flag = jesuits_arrive
    					primary_culture = THIS
    				}
    				factor = 0.25
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				NOT = {
    					stability = 2
    				}
    				factor = 0.75
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				NOT = {
    					stability = 0
    				}
    				factor = 0.75
    			}
    		}
    		title = "EVTNAME551061"
    		desc = "EVTDESC551061"
    		option = {
    			name = "EVTOPTA551061"#Encourage them to stay
    			ai_chance = {
    				factor = 25
    				modifier = {
    					check_variable = {
    						which = "religious_fervor"
    						value = 5
    					}
    					factor = 0.7
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					check_variable = {
    						which = "religious_fervor"
    						value = 9
    					}
    					factor = 0.7
    				}
    			}
    			set_variable = {
    				which = "jesuit_influence"
    				value = 3
    			}
    			innovative_narrowminded = -1
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						NOT = {
    							advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				owner = {
    					create_advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    				}
    			}
    			add_country_modifier = {
    				name = "western_arms"
    				duration = 18250#50 years
    			}
    			set_country_flag = jesuits_arrive
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 5
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 1825
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +100
    					government_tech = +100
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 5
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 9
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 1825
    				}
    				random_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 1825
    					}
    					change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    					change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +200
    					government_tech = +200
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 9
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 13
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 1825
    				}
    				any_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 1825
    					}
    					change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    					change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +400
    					government_tech = +400
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 13
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 17
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 3650
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				any_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 1825
    					}
    					change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    					change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +600
    					government_tech = +600
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 17
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 25
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				religion = catholic
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 3650
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				any_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 3650
    					}
    					change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    					change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +800
    					government_tech = +800
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 25
    					}
    				}
    				religion = catholic
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 3650
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				any_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 3650
    					}
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +1200
    					government_tech = +1200
    				}
    			}
    			any_neighbor_country = {
    				limit = {
    					religion = catholic
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 50
    				}
    			}
    			PAP = {
    				set_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 50
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 100
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 50
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 25
    				}
    			}
    			random_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    				}
    				PAP = {
    					clr_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		option = {
    			name = "EVTOPTB551061"#Allow them limited access
    			ai_chance = {
    				factor = 50
    			}
    			set_variable = {
    				which = "jesuit_influence"
    				value = 2
    			}
    			set_country_flag = jesuits_arrive
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						NOT = {
    							advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				owner = {
    					random = {
    						chance = 50
    						create_advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    					}
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 4
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 13
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 1825
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +100
    					government_tech = +100
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 13
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 16
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 1825
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				random_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 1825
    					}
    					change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    					change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +200
    					government_tech = +200
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 17
    						NOT = {
    							num_of_cities = 25
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 1825
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				any_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 1825
    					}
    					change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    					change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +400
    					government_tech = +400
    				}
    			}
    			random_owned = {
    				limit = {
    					owner = {
    						num_of_cities = 25
    					}
    				}
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 3650
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				any_neighbor_province = {
    					limit = {
    						owned_by = THIS
    					}
    					add_province_modifier = {
    						name = "jesuit_mission"
    						duration = 1825
    					}
    					change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    					change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    				}
    				owner = {
    					land_tech = +600
    					government_tech = +600
    				}
    			}
    			any_neighbor_country = {
    				limit = {
    					religion = catholic
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 25
    				}
    			}
    			PAP = {
    				set_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 25
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 50
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 25
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 10
    				}
    			}
    			random_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    				}
    				PAP = {
    					clr_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		option = {
    			name = "EVTOPTC551061"#Expel the foreign devils
    			ai_chance = {
    				factor = 25
    				modifier = {
    					advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    					factor = 0.7
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					advisor = jesuit_missionary
    					factor = 0.7
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					check_variable = {
    						which = "religious_fervor"
    						value = 5
    					}
    					factor = 1.4
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					check_variable = {
    						which = "religious_fervor"
    						value = 9
    					}
    					factor = 1.4
    				}
    			}
    			remove_advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    			remove_advisor = jesuit_missionary
    			remove_advisor = jesuit_confessor
    			set_country_flag = jesuits_arrive
    			innovative_narrowminded = 1
    			any_neighbor_country = {
    				limit = {
    					religion = catholic
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -50
    				}
    				casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    			}
    			PAP = {
    				set_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -50
    				}
    				casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -100
    				}
    				casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -50
    				}
    				casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -25
    				}
    			}
    			random_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    				}
    				PAP = {
    					clr_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    				}
    			}
    		}
    	}
    	province_event = {
    		#Christian Missionaries
    		id = 551062
    		trigger = {
    			NOT = {
    				religion_group = christian
    			}
    			owner = {
    				check_variable = {
    					which = "jesuit_influence"
    					value = 2
    				}
    			}
    			owner = {
    				NOT = {
    					religion_group = christian
    				}
    			}
    			owner = {
    				NOT = {
    					has_country_flag = christians_expelled
    				}
    			}
    			OR = {
    				has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    				any_neighbor_province = {
    					religion_group = christian
    				}
    				port = yes
    			}
    		}
    		mean_time_to_happen = {
    			months = 240
    			modifier = {
    				owner = {
    					advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    				}
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				owner = {
    					advisor = jesuit_missionary
    				}
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    				factor = 0.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				citysize = 5000
    				factor = 1.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				citysize = 10000
    				factor = 1.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				citysize = 25000
    				factor = 1.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				citysize = 50000
    				factor = 1.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				citysize = 100000
    				factor = 1.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				citysize = 250000
    				factor = 1.5
    			}
    			modifier = {
    				citysize = 500000
    				factor = 1.5
    			}
    		}
    		title = "EVTNAME551062"
    		desc = "EVTDESC551062"
    		option = {
    			name = "EVTOPTA551062"#They are harmless
    			ai_chance = {
    				factor = 35
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						check_variable = {
    							which = "religious_fervor"
    							value = 5
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 0.5
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						check_variable = {
    							which = "religious_fervor"
    							value = 9
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 0
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						NOT = {
    							check_variable = {
    								which = "religious_fervor"
    								value = 1
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 1.4
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						NOT = {
    							check_variable = {
    								which = "religious_fervor"
    								value = -3
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 1.4
    				}
    			}
    			owner = {
    				land_tech = +25
    				government_tech = +25
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							NOT = {
    								advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						random = {
    							chance = 5
    							create_advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				any_country = {
    					limit = {
    						religion = catholic
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    					}
    					relation = {
    						who = THIS
    						value = 10
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						THIS = {
    							has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    							has_province_modifier = heresy
    						}
    					}
    					THIS = {
    						religion = catholic
    						change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 3 }
    						change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -3 }
    						add_province_modifier = {
    							name = "conversion_tensions"
    							duration = 1825
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						THIS = {
    							has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    							NOT = {
    								has_province_modifier = heresy
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					THIS = {
    						change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 2 }
    						change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -2 }
    						add_province_modifier = {
    							name = "heresy"
    							duration = 18250
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						THIS = {
    							NOT = {
    								has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					THIS = {
    						add_province_modifier = {
    							name = "jesuit_mission"
    							duration = 18250
    						}
    						change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    						change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		option = {
    			name = "EVTOPTD551062"#Discourage their efforts
    			ai_chance = {
    				factor = 35
    			}
    			owner = {
    				remove_advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    				land_tech = +25
    				government_tech = +25
    				remove_country_modifier = western_arms
    				change_variable = {
    					which = "jesuit_influence"
    					value = -1
    				}
    				any_country = {
    					limit = {
    						religion = catholic
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    					}
    					relation = {
    						who = THIS
    						value = -5
    					}
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		option = {
    			name = "EVTOPTB551062"#Expel the foreigners
    			ai_chance = {
    				factor = 25
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						check_variable = {
    							which = "religious_fervor"
    							value = 5
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 1.4
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						check_variable = {
    							which = "religious_fervor"
    							value = 9
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 1.4
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						NOT = {
    							check_variable = {
    								which = "religious_fervor"
    								value = 1
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 0.7
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						NOT = {
    							check_variable = {
    								which = "religious_fervor"
    								value = -3
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 0.7
    				}
    			}
    			owner = {
    				remove_advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    				remove_advisor = jesuit_missionary
    				remove_advisor = jesuit_confessor
    			}
    			PAP = {
    				set_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -50
    				}
    				casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -100
    				}
    				casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -50
    				}
    				casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = -25
    				}
    			}
    			random_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    					}
    				}
    				PAP = {
    					clr_country_flag = jesuits_attacked
    				}
    			}
    			owner = {
    				remove_country_modifier = western_arms
    				set_variable = {
    					which = "jesuit_influence"
    					value = 0
    				}
    				set_country_flag = christians_expelled
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							stability = 3
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						prestige = 0.05
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							NOT = {
    								stability = 3
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						stability = 1
    					}
    				}
    				any_neighbor_country = {
    					limit = {
    						religion = catholic
    					}
    					relation = {
    						who = THIS
    						value = -50
    					}
    					casus_belli = { type = cb_insult months = 12 target = THIS }
    				}
    				any_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						religion = catholic
    					}
    					religious_rebels = 1
    				}
    				any_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    					}
    					religious_rebels = 0
    					remove_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    				}
    				any_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						has_province_modifier = conversion_tensions
    					}
    					religious_rebels = 0
    					remove_province_modifier = conversion_tensions
    				}
    			}
    		}
    		option = {
    			name = "EVTOPTC551062"#Embrace this new faith
    			ai_chance = {
    				factor = 5
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						check_variable = {
    							which = "religious_fervor"
    							value = 5
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 0.7
    				}
    				modifier = {
    					owner = {
    						check_variable = {
    							which = "religious_fervor"
    							value = 9
    						}
    					}
    					factor = 0
    				}
    			}
    			owner = {
    				land_tech = +100
    				government_tech = +100
    				change_variable = {
    					which = "jesuit_influence"
    					value = 0.5
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							capital_scope = {
    								NOT = {
    									religion = catholic
    								}
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						any_neighbor_country = {
    							limit = {
    								religion = catholic
    							}
    							relation = {
    								who = THIS
    								value = 20
    							}
    						}
    						any_neighbor_country = {
    							limit = {
    								religion = THIS
    							}
    							relation = {
    								who = THIS
    								value = -50
    							}
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							capital_scope = {
    								NOT = {
    									religion = catholic
    								}
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						create_advisor = jesuit_ambassador
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							capital_scope = {
    								religion = catholic
    							}
    						}
    						owner = {
    							innovative_narrowminded = 1
    							NOT = {
    								idea = divine_supremacy
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						add_idea = divine_supremacy
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							capital_scope = {
    								religion = catholic
    							}
    						}
    						owner = {
    							NOT = {
    								innovative_narrowminded = 0
    							}
    							NOT = {
    								idea = humanist_tolerance
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						add_idea = humanist_tolerance
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						owner = {
    							capital_scope = {
    								religion = catholic
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					owner = {
    						any_neighbor_country = {
    							limit = {
    								religion = catholic
    							}
    							relation = {
    								who = THIS
    								value = 100
    							}
    						}
    						any_neighbor_country = {
    							limit = {
    								religion = THIS
    							}
    							relation = {
    								who = THIS
    								value = -250
    							}
    						}
    						create_advisor = jesuit_confessor
    						religion = catholic
    						clr_country_flag = true_faith
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						THIS = {
    							has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    							has_province_modifier = heresy
    						}
    					}
    					THIS = {
    						religion = catholic
    						change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 3 }
    						change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -3 }
    						add_province_modifier = {
    							name = "conversion_tensions"
    							duration = 1825
    						}
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						THIS = {
    							has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    							NOT = {
    								has_province_modifier = heresy
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					THIS = {
    						add_province_modifier = {
    							name = "heresy"
    							duration = 18250
    						}
    						change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 2 }
    						change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -2 }
    					}
    				}
    				random_owned = {
    					limit = {
    						THIS = {
    							NOT = {
    								has_province_modifier = jesuit_mission
    							}
    						}
    					}
    					THIS = {
    						add_province_modifier = {
    							name = "jesuit_mission"
    							duration = 18250
    						}
    						change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    						change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    					}
    				}
    			}
    			any_neighbor_province = {
    				add_province_modifier = {
    					name = "jesuit_mission"
    					duration = 3650
    				}
    				change_variable = { which = "catholic" value = 1 }
    				change_variable = { which = "province_religion" value = -1 }
    			}
    			PAP = {
    				set_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 20
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 20
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_strong
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 10
    				}
    			}
    			any_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    					NOT = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_influence_moderate
    					}
    					has_country_flag = jesuit_influence
    					num_of_cities = 1
    				}
    				relation = {
    					who = THIS
    					value = 5
    				}
    			}
    			random_country = {
    				limit = {
    					PAP = {
    						has_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    					}
    				}
    				PAP = {
    					clr_country_flag = jesuit_contacts
    				}
    			}
    		}
    	}
    This will allow for a slow, gradual conversion of Japan via Christian missionaries - not nearly as fast as before. That's totally adjustable, but I didn't want to break the system by making it work too quickly. I've tested it and it does work - you'll start to get events telling you about heresy in your provinces, and you'll be able to see Catholic minorities after the second missionary event fires in a province. It will, however, take many events for Japan to become Catholic (and between three and four missionary events for a province to convert at the current rate).

    EDIT: Okay, the text is ready for you to copy over.
    Last edited by dharper; 24-12-2011 at 23:45.
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    Woah, a dharper sighting! You shouldn't have to be marking stuff over the Holidays.

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    Thank you so very much, dharper!

    As I get, I can just copy and paste the text from your post EVEN THOUGH the list at beginning of DG_Catholic.txt already mentions #61 - The Black Robes visit $CAPITAL$ event? Won't this cause the events to try to overwrite each other? Sorry for this question, as your help is already so kind, but I'm a total modding noob and I'm not sure if I understand everything correctly.

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    He said "on top of", so you would use "find" in your notepad and find this exact event, copy dharpers code, highlight the code in the file, and then hit paste, overwriting the old code.

    If you don't have notepad++ yet, I really recommend getting it (it's free), it really helps for seeing the opening and end brackets so as to not leave/delete one!

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    Thanks for explanations, Iamwinterborn, I followed your instructions to the letter and, altough I had a feeling that I was breaking the game somehow, I saved the changes.
    Also, yes, those lines Notepad++ leaves are really helpful.
    Now, onto pressing Japanese matters...

    EDIT: Ok, after 10 or so years of further gameplay I can tell you that the changes do not work. The frequency with which Jesuits appear has lowered, and the event, after choosing to encourage Jesuits to stay, flips province religion to Catholic and gives Religious Something modifier (y'know, the one that was intended). But then, this modifier does nothing, and Catholicism once again vanishes from the map. Dewa was converted twice (!) again, and Kii once, but they are still Mahayana.

    So, anyone is willing to help me now? I am not really pressing this further, my Japan can stay Buddhist after all, but this leaves a kind of sour feeling: I'm supporting Jesuits since they appeared more than 50 years ago, and yet, not a single Catholic man lives in Japan.
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    And just to make sure, you started EU3 up AFTER making the changes? (It only loads the files once on start up, and if this seems obvious to you, well, some people just seem to forget it...)


    Otherwise... Dei Gratia is large, complex. There's probably some odd things going on that are quite simple, just overlooked. I guess just wait and see if dharper can figure it out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iamwinterborn View Post
    And just to make sure, you started EU3 up AFTER making the changes?
    Yeah, ofcourse.


    Quote Originally Posted by Iamwinterborn View Post
    Otherwise... Dei Gratia is large, complex. There's probably some odd things going on that are quite simple, just overlooked. I guess just wait and see if dharper can figure it out.
    Typical tactic of White & Sea then? Alright, it's not like manually flipping affected provinces to Catholicism and giving them Large Mahayana Minorities is impossible, right? Right?

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    Its not new, I have been posting it for years.. but glad to se things are happening.
    An a side note, You cant convert to it, as it is very bugged, and you will never get anything but investments and stab. incresment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JacktheJumper View Post
    EDIT: Ok, after 10 or so years of further gameplay I can tell you that the changes do not work. The frequency with which Jesuits appear has lowered, and the event, after choosing to encourage Jesuits to stay, flips province religion to Catholic and gives Religious Something modifier (y'know, the one that was intended). But then, this modifier does nothing, and Catholicism once again vanishes from the map. Dewa was converted twice (!) again, and Kii once, but they are still Mahayana.
    That's disappointing. Could you please post a save game from this 10 years of further gameplay for me? I'd love to figure out what's going on, since it worked on my test game. Failing that, I'll just install In Nomine and MMP and figure this out.

    Side note - I have done nothing yet to change the way the game understands heretic conversions, so ignore your provinces becoming Catholic and then switching back for now; it will probably take me several days to get a fix for that due to the complexity of the code. However, you _should_ see Catholic minorities appearing in provinces when you get the "Christian Missionaries" event - it's disturbing that this is not the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chals View Post
    Its not new, I have been posting it for years.. but glad to se things are happening.
    An a side note, You cant convert to it, as it is very bugged, and you will never get anything but investments and stab. incresment.
    I'm really sorry, chals. I simply had so much to do that I didn't have time for EU3. I _thought_ I was leaving with no responsibilities, that I'd fixed all the bugs people had mentioned - but apparently this is not the only bug in my code! How embarassing. I'll try to fix this over the holidays.
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    Here there be link: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dl0l2f

    Also, I've noticed that after any province changes hands, building modifiers disappear completely, so Okinawa - heavily fortified before I conquered it - has no additional fortifications. Just to let you know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JacktheJumper View Post
    Also, I've noticed that after any province changes hands, building modifiers disappear completely, so Okinawa - heavily fortified before I conquered it - has no additional fortifications. Just to let you know.
    That part, at least, is not my responsibility (or knowledge). Sorry!
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    Looking at your save game, I notice that my fix has had some effect - just not as much as was intended. Two of your provinces, Echigo and Iyo, have 5% Catholics living there. This is too small to show up as a minority (10% is the smallest minority), but it counts - so something is going on, at least, even if it's not fixing the problem. That's good news in a way, but bad in others.

    I noticed that Echigo had nothing notable happen to it, but Iyo converted to Catholic in 1604, and then back to Buddhist in 1605. It has both the heresy and Jesuit mission modifier. According to what I intended when I wrote the fix, that should result in a 3-point conversion - that is, you should have seen a Catholic modifier appear, and the province should be at least 15% Catholic right now.

    Since that's not the case, I'll have to go through the files some more. Time is short right now, but hopefully I can fix this for your game soon.
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    I would like to note that I did something similar in MM Ultimate, and it worked without a hitch. I converted to Christianity the first chance I got though, rather than waiting for a large enough minority.

    Strangely enough, during a religious civil war, Catholic Fanatics appeared rather than Buddhist ones. I thought this passingly odd, but since I needed to kill them all anyways it wasn't that much of an annoyance for me to speak about it on the forms at the time.

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    Okay, I've reinstalled EU3: In Nomine + 3.1 patch + 3.2 beta patch + Magna Mundi Platinum 2 + my fixes + your original save game (phew!).

    Playing a few years, I noticed that the fix is working - I had two missionary events and saw minorities appearing - but is also broken at the same time: the fourth option for the event ("embrace this new faith") had disappeared. This, of course, is the choice that gives you the most converts!

    I have changed the code to make sure this option shows up (although I am not 100% certain why it disappeared) and have now played through a second time, choosing "embrace this new faith" every time I can. Here's a record:

    July 1590: Game begins.

    July 1592: Christian Missionaries fired 4 times.

    Provinces with a Catholic presence: 2: Echigo and Mutsu.
    Provinces with a Catholic minority: 0
    Provinces with a significant Catholic minority: 0
    Provinces with a large Catholic minority: 0
    Provinces in the save game file with Catholics present at all: 11.

    July 1594: Christian Missionaries fired 4 more times.

    Provinces with a Catholic presence: 6: Echizen, Shinano, Kozuke, Echigo, Shimotsuke, Mutsu.
    Provinces with a Catholic minority: 0
    Provinces with a Catholic significant minority: 0
    Provinces with a large Catholic minority: 0

    July 1596: Christian Missionaries fired 5 more times.

    Provinces with a Catholic presence: 15: Satsuma, Nagato, Iwami, Izumo, Harima, Awa, Tosa, Ise, Echizen, Mino, Totomi, Echizen, Kozuke, Musashi, Shimotsuke.
    Provinces with a Catholic minority: 2: Mutsu and Shinano.
    Provinces with a Catholic significant minority: 1: Echigo.
    Provinces with a large Catholic minority: 0

    July 1598: Christian Missionaries fired 2 more times.

    Provinces with a Catholic presence: 18: Satsuma, Higo, Bungo, Hizen, Nagato, Iwami, Izumo, Harima, Tosa, Awa, Ise, Echizen, Mino, Totomi, Shinano, Kozuke, Musashi, Shimotsuke.
    Provinces with a Catholic minority: 2: Mutsu and Shinano.
    Provinces with a Catholic significant minority: 1: Echigo.
    Provinces with a large Catholic minority: 0

    What I am seeing here is really the opposite of what I want - the entire country is gradually gaining a small Catholic minority, rather than any one spot concentrating converts. Let me see if I can tweak the event a little further to make conversion faster in areas that are already converting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivashanko View Post
    I would like to note that I did something similar in MM Ultimate, and it worked without a hitch. I converted to Christianity the first chance I got though, rather than waiting for a large enough minority.
    There's an event which allows Japan to convert to Catholicism by event - if that choice is taken, then your state religion changes to Catholic, and THEN the event-based Christian Missionary conversions work fine. It's only when you stay Buddhist that they don't work.
    Strangely enough, during a religious civil war, Catholic Fanatics appeared rather than Buddhist ones. I thought this passingly odd, but since I needed to kill them all anyways it wasn't that much of an annoyance for me to speak about it on the forms at the time.
    That's odd, yes. I'd love to see a save file, but I imagine it's long gone, yes?
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    Okay, here's a second attempt with a slightly changed event file. This should significantly speed up conversion if I am successful. Same rules as before: I always choose "embrace this new faith" whenever the "Christian Missionaries" event occurs, no other rules.

    July 1590: Game starts.
    July 1592: Three missionary events.

    Provinces with a Catholic presence: 1: Tosa
    Provinces with a Catholic minority: 0.
    Provinces with a significant Catholic minority: 0.
    Provinces with a large Catholic minority: 5: Iwami, Harima, Kii, Dewa, Ezochi.
    Catholic provinces: 2: Iyo, Awa

    Okay, it works...but it's hard to say if this is working too well or not. You've already started with a ton of Jesuit Missions in Japan, probably the result of a dozen or more Missionary events. It normally wouldn't work this quickly with so few events. Still, the event probably needs a bit of tweaking before I send it to you.
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