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US player from this game here (at times co-op'ing in Russia helping out on the minor fronts).

We are doing what we can to speed up US-entry. At the start of 1941 both Undeclared war 1 and 2 was triggered. CptEasy's screene from the diplomacy view is taken after this. As noted, US neutrality reduction is painfully slow. But rest assure, they are not idle...

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We can only hope JAP is not completely overstretched accross half the (in HoI terms unimportant) world, when Maxiboy stops drinking coffee and unleashes the USN on the JAP sea lanes...

Beer is usually the beverage of choice during game nights.
 
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USSR player here. The strength of the German panzer really impressed the Red army. Even though I have had a long time to prepare, the spearheads plough thru my lines like a hot knife through butter. AS I mentioned enemy previous post, I had a very long front and the lines were not as thick as I would hope. The large plains were the week points even though I had focused my strongest panzers here. Unfortunate, the tech had not reach the level I guess the Germans had and they did not stand a chance. I thought and prepared for a more large front attack but Daphne used only spearhead attacks which he did very well. An organized retreat began. The Cpt show some encirclement but they were few and did not sting as much in the Big Red bears skin. In the south, the mere presence of the Romanian troops made it difficult to do much more than retreat as the lines were very thin here although we did not want to give in to easy. Remember, the Romanians joint the Allies shortly before the war and it was difficult to muster troops to fill the most southern front.

I did have some initial success in the air but I think the lack of airport and those being elsewhere were the main cause.

At this moment, I and Maxyboy split the USSR and Maxyboy handled the battle around Odessa and the Asian front and he did this brilliantly.

And a quick remark to the choice of drinks, for the last game night, I had prepared with both a good dark lager and a nice smoky single malt but did not finish either of them due to heavy overload of the visual impression.
 
In hindsight the attack on Spain was a major mistake on Italy's part. It maneuvered its troops into an exposed position for little gain. If things had gone badly, a whole lot of divisions could have been lost.

I don't agree. Spain have been vital for the deadly convoy war we have unleashed on UK. Had we lost all those troops, then I would have agreed with you. And the margin was slim. But for sure, Spain did not live up to the expectations as much as hoped, although I do not regret attacking it.

How many i built? Let´s just say I never had fewer than 100 convoys building. Building convoyes enough to cover 40-50 losses each day would be more than I built though, so don´t believe the Axis propaganda!

I am just giving back the facts from the ship mapmode - and its 40-50 a week... not each day. If my reports are wrong then the game is not giving the facts correct. But as I have mentioned earlier, the sinkings were not all Brit tonnage although I think most were. Also, maybe the numbers offered in the mapmode is also for escorts? I'm sure UK built escorts too. After Soviet entered the war, some of the hits definately came from them.

I've been rooting for the UK since he was all alone. He's plenty very well. Do Axis have any plans aside from knocking out the Soviets?

No. The Axis master plan for this entire round is more or less following history and to not take any chances. Slow and steady. Firstly, it was just to keep USA out of the game for as long as we could. Secondly was to really check the game ballance. The events in last game, for instance, made it impossible to judge the ballance between factions. This time, I did not want failed diplomacy or a random victory/loss at an early stage to tilt the board. Thirdly - I was dying for a game that took us longer than spring -41. So this strategy is not only to ensure victory - It has a few other objectives as well. Allthough that is not an objective in itself, but I think it will make a good story too ;)

Well... at least we'll take it easy as far as to Barbarossa and US entry. Its all open after that. We have some deadly ideas. Lets see how it turns out.

I realy wonder what ITA is/was building and researching and if it has any focus option planned other then waiting for the US Invasion to come?


ENGs move on Spain was predictable (see previous gloomy musings) and the extremely weak Axis forces there surprised me, especially the lack of a mobile reserve in central Spain. A single GER corps in Madrid of 5 Divs mostly Mot. and maybe two armored could have ruined Zids day for quite a while.

* Can't tell you know, but a little information will come seeping in later in the AAR. Its already written - so just hold on for a while ;)

* Don't forget Barbarossa has started, and that is our main objective. The loss of 5 MOT and 1-2 ARM would really have blunted the charge of the Wehrmacht. Still, I agree our defense of Spain was far from optimal. It was too spread out which made us week on all fronts. Still, I hadn't really foreseen that UK could pull so much, especially as Zid initially lost a couple of divisions in Asia. I am not saying the loss of Spain did not matter - but as Gibraltar had failed and I had started to lose submarines in the Atlantic, it meant less now than earlier in the war. Still, it is always annoying for GER when UK is pulling at the attention when invading SU.

At this moment, I and Maxyboy split the USSR and Maxyboy handled the battle around Odessa and the Asian front and he did this brilliantly.

Oouu... so it was Maxyboy I was fighting around Odessa. You bastard!
 
With the RN roaming in the med and the implied danger for mainland Italy, what forces can Cpt Easy send over for Barbarossa? Nothing much, I assume, his role will be to fight off the UK, guarding the continental Axis back in Spain and the med and possibly having an open eye around the German parts as well.
 
Yep, this is what I already hated back in HoI 2!. ... Units marching towards enemy province, suddenly out of supply, being warped back losing all progress towards the hostile province...
 
US Player from this game (at times co-op'ing in Russia).

No. The Axis master plan for this entire round is more or less following history...

Yey. Victory!

Oouu... so it was Maxyboy I was fighting around Odessa. You bastard!

Yes, I couldn't belive my luck (skill?) when I repeatedly made it to Illichivs'k with new defenders after a lost battle. That gave me time to set up the counter attack. If Odessa had fallen, the entire Russian southern front would have been threatened.

A part of the pleasure of playing with long time friends is to imagine their facial expressions when you pull something neat off. Although minor, this was one of those times.
 
Yes, I couldn't belive my luck (skill?) when I repeatedly made it to Illichivs'k with new defenders after a lost battle. That gave me time to set up the counter attack. If Odessa had fallen, the entire Russian southern front would have been threatened.

A part of the pleasure of playing with long time friends is to imagine their facial expressions when you pull something neat off. Although minor, this was one of those times.

Heh, well, I did not really think I could take Odessa with my army-corps of poor Italians. I was just happy keeping a rough army corps of the Red Army occupied. Still, it seemed to take forever to march into Illichivs´k. I think I won like three battles without ever reaching the god damned province :). U gotta hate the Russian (Ukrainian) winter.

And yes, Cybe, Germany would have done just as fine without me, I think. It was just to give myself something to do :)
 
Reviewing the map. A UK invasion of Vichy and the small chunk of occupied Atlantic coast could create a war winning pocket should he have enough time to reorganise. I'm expecting some pockets on the Eastern Front soon enough. German panzers really do cut through the Russians like a hot knife on butter at this early stage of the invasion.

Keep up the good work. These threads liven up my days considering I currently cannot play HoI3.

Avanti Italia!
 
* Don't forget Barbarossa has started, and that is our main objective. The loss of 5 MOT and 1-2 ARM would really have blunted the charge of the Wehrmacht. Still, I agree our defense of Spain was far from optimal. It was too spread out which made us week on all fronts. Still, I hadn't really foreseen that UK could pull so much, especially as Zid initially lost a couple of divisions in Asia. I am not saying the loss of Spain did not matter - but as Gibraltar had failed and I had started to lose submarines in the Atlantic, it meant less now than earlier in the war. Still, it is always annoying for GER when UK is pulling at the attention when invading SU.

Given the gigantic amount of troops facing of for Barbarossa - missing a single re-enforced Armored Corps of 5 Divs (3 Mot 2 Armored) would hardly go noticed.

But on the Western Front be it Spain (chance gone now) or France, or Northern Italy, or BeNeLux/Denmark - A strong "firebrigade" Reserve is a must!
Especially in MP with insta-Amphib-landings of Motorized formations. When defending a perimeter with only leg INF and GAR, chances are Allied Mot/LArm formations can cause serious trouble even with only a few units, if the defender doesn't have a fast mobile reserve to counter them!

If such an Allied raid succeeds and spreads dangerously - due to no quick reserve (just remember the fall of ITA in the last round, as GER always withdrew its armor thus making ITA an easy target) chances are, way more than five armored/motorized Divs will have to be withdrawn from Barbarossa to salvage things.

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In Spain (based in the Madrid area) they would have been enough to stop ENG single Mot Div Spearheads driving cross country and to give Axis forces a chance to reform and retreat in an orderly fashion. ITA got very lucky to salvage its troops with that ceasefire.

PPS
Other than that Im eagerly waiting to finally see a nasty unexpected move from the Axis side... Can't have these Brits win again.
 
@Thel - Yes, you do have a point. We have actually discussed that. In the history of our MP-games we tend to put so extreme emphasis in our offensives and very little on defense. During discusions regarding house rules and amphibic landings we have actually been coming to the conclusion that some of the problems might be solved, at least to some extent, with a change in defensive doctrines. As you have seen, or will see, I have a fairly "new" defensive strategy in Italy which might work on other places. We'll see if that will influense strategy in coming games.

Still, breaking USSR quick is of such major importance that the loss of Spain seem like an inferior event.
 
A lucky escape for the Italian forces and a brilliant attack from England, but I don't think it saps any strength from the East front. If the Germans are making such quick progress with just spearheads, they probably aren't losing huge manpower yet, and it doesn't look like Russia is slowing down the offensive yet. So yes, the British have any number of opportunities to win minor victories (and Spain would have been a major one if it had caught Italian formations), but my measuring stick would be this: if it doesn't force panzer divisions to come West, it's not going to help much.

I wonder if Zid is eyeing the Black Sea coast - that is open to Allied shipping for now isn't it? An invasion in force in that sector behind Romanian lines would probably worry the Germans more than landings in Sicily/Sardinia and deliver some material benefit to the Russians.
 
Carnage al Dente

Chapter XIV - Operation Barbarossa part III






Players: UK, USA, 2xUSSR, GER, ITA, JAP






Recap: Barbarossa had begun and with this, the real race for total victory and world domination. The Bear is attacked by a multitude of nation, with Germany at the front. United Kingdom is doing what they can to tugg at Axis attention and succeeds well with the liberation(?) of Spain. Spain first chose to stay out of the war but then turned on Germany (but not their former masters (Italy))...














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February 10th, 1941

Spain, influenced by the sneaky Brits, broke the truce – but only with Germany. In turned out to a somewhat chaotic situation were Italian troops were caught in pockets if they stood with Germans, from where they could not retreat while Italian units in the rest of Spain could continue their safe retreat. That also meant that the Italian troops could not aid the surrounded troops by opening a corridor for retreats. It was trixy, to say the least.














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February 22nd, 1941

In the end, the joint German-Italian forces manage to fight their way out of the trap. Only one German division in southern Spain was defeated. Still, the Axis was now thrown out of Spain. Also, they now had to fight defensively to protect occupied France.

Authors note: Oh… I just realized it is the wrong battle report. They both started on “P” :).















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February 14th, 1941

The Italian troops by the Diepner shifted northwards, partly to get away from the naval bombardment and partly to test a new part of the front.

It turned out to be a good move. The defenders were overwhelmed 3-1 and took quite serious losses before the crumbled after less than a week of battle. This was a completely different kind of battle than the freezing terror the Italians had lived through crossing the Diepner during December.














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February 17th, 1941

One of the reasons for the Italian success was crushing blow the Soviets received further north where the German steel spear-point managed to surround some five or six Red Army division, including two armor divisions. As these were not the first losses on the sector the defender now became obviously weaker.















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February 19th, 1941

After crossing the River Diepner, the Italian Expeditionary Force in Soviet turned northwards to link with the German panzer-thrust. The defenders staggered backwards, obviously stunned by the massive onslaught by the Axis on this sector.














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March 2nd, 1941

About two weeks later, the trap is closed. The Germans had little rush to crush the pocket, and the Italians lacked the punch. Instead, the German steam-roller continued and drove the remaining battered remnants of the Southern Red Army in front of them. The 6 Soviet divisions in the Balta-pocket, consisting of 3 mountaineers and 3 infantry, would eventually surrender.

Authors note: To bring some balance to the picture I must reveal that German progress in the center was slower and in the North much slower. This was their main focus area for advances.














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March 3rd, 1941

After some minor skirmishes during late February, the Anglo-Spanish forces made a more serious push and by the 3rd of March made the Axis defenders retreat. The retreat was, however, in good order.














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March 4th, 1941

The Axis was extra nervous due to several British raids along the coast where German garrisons had been surrounded and defeated. The Hungarians had been called for to try and fill some of the gaps in the German lines. The Brits, however, did not seem keen on an all out attack on occupied France – which was not really expected by the Axis.















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March 6th, 1941

Next target in the annoying row of nibbling attacks was Denmark. Two regular German brigades were lost during this attack. Although not really devastating, Germany learnt a painful lesson in how and how not to position troops in coastal perimeters. The loss of Kriegsmarine was a wound that would not heal quickly. The Brits dominated the Atlantic with no fear of being engaged.















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March 15th, 1941

For some time, Axis had been thinking of how Japan could exploit their dominance in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific. It was too early to do something about the growing threat of the USA and enough troops were designated to the Far East. The choice for a new Japanese offensive fell on Persia. It was a Soviet puppet, so no declaration of war was needed. The US could not object. If Persia could be crushed, the Japs would threaten both Iraq and the British holdings, and the belly of the great Bear. The backside was of course that it would be far from a fast operation.















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March 15th, 1941

The United States of America was, however, disturbed by the massive convoy war and answered to the cry of the Brits and expanded their undeclared war.

This did not matter too much for the Italians as they raided close to the land. The Germans with their modern submarines was not very frightened either. BUT, the fact that the US seemed more and more inclined to join the Allies was very worrying.














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March 17th-20th. 1941

Some two weeks after the full Soviet army corps was annihilated in the Balta pocket, the Italians attacked the great city of Odessa with force and from several directions. It was grey, rainy and somewhat muddy when the Italians troops moved in on the city. The garrison was well dug in while the mountaineers recently had retreated there, weary from previous battles. As the Italians once again came under fire from the Red Navy, they feared this would be yet another gruesome battle by the Azov Sea. As it turned out, however, they were too numerous for the defenders to handle. They soon entered the city through gaps in the Soviet perimeter and the battle was over in roughly 75 hours. This was a great victory and another row of Russian prisoners were marched out of the war.





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Next Chapter - The Regia Marina and the Royal Navy clashes again, Soviet continues to struggle for survival and the Brits launches yet another operation.