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I'm talking about the French Navy. It is always good to avoid confrontation with La Royale when you are playing as Italy. The Royal Navy is bad enough.

I agree with Baltasar in a way. I think the threat of direct Italian intervention in mainland France, at Gibraltar and in the Atlantic would have significantly distracted the Allies. Easy is spreading chaos and keeping his opponents off balance.

I am not sure of the game mechanics regarding threat and joining the war. From other comments, it appears to be in relation to keeping the USA out of the war. Why did he not intervene in France?
 
I'm talking about the French Navy. It is always good to avoid confrontation with La Royale when you are playing as Italy. The Royal Navy is bad enough.

I was talking especially about the French Navy. Both, the UK and France were quite busy with their land warfare. Another front would have meant more distraction. Besides, there is no need for Italy to actively have their ships at sea if at war with the Allies. And we do not know where the Italian Navy is anyway. The were not at war with the Allies when they took out Spain, so for all we know, their fleet could as well be in the Atlantic.
 
I agree with Baltasar in a way. I think the threat of direct Italian intervention in mainland France, at Gibraltar and in the Atlantic would have significantly distracted the Allies. Easy is spreading chaos and keeping his opponents off balance.
If that were true, then it would be best for Italy to intervene. Baltasar wondered whether the French forces on the French-Spanish border deterred the Italian invasion. I find that hard to believe, especially considering the fact that we know that the French player decreased the number of the French troops as the campaign progressed. Italian MP is not Italy's biggest problem, either.

I was talking especially about the French Navy. Both, the UK and France were quite busy with their land warfare. Another front would have meant more distraction. Besides, there is no need for Italy to actively have their ships at sea if at war with the Allies. And we do not know where the Italian Navy is anyway. The were not at war with the Allies when they took out Spain, so for all we know, their fleet could as well be in the Atlantic.
They could always sink some convoys, if nothing else. However, IMO they would have found the Italians eventually. It's not that the Allies have much use for the French Navy once the Battle of France is over.

Maybe CptEasy will clarify his position later :)
 
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What happened to the British troops in France, I assume they got to some port and were evacuated?

See Zids answer

Also, with continued Soviet agression and without a Weserübung from the Axis, the USA should drift towards the Allies more slowly.

Is there realy such a game mechanic? I would be happy if you could fill me in as we are trying to reshape the SF-HR into a FTM-HR trying to limit Soviet aggression on minors.

I am getting withdrawal symptoms from the lack of Carnage!

To really enjoy carnage you must also like building the momentum. You know, Lamahorse, good sex seldom come without foreplay ;)

Taking my own guess, I would say that if they had known in advance that Italy was likely to stay neutral, then the answer would be yes. The fact that the French have to gamble on how much they need to worry about the southern border is a perfect Italian strategy. They get to influence the outcome of a war without having to actually fight one.

Doubtful. I think that CptEasy simply wanted to avoid unnecessary naval losses.

Maybe CptEasy will clarify his position later :)

You are right both of you. I am glad someone sees the finer art of NOT fighting ;) The Regia Marine is so poor in relation to the RN that any losses to the French is too much. Also, there is a US event tied to the Italian DoW on France that matters.

in love with Cpts AARs. Keep em comming

Thanks WraithLead. I sure will. Might delay a little, unfortunatly, as the last chapters (short in pictures but long concidering the time they cover) have put me a little too close to "present" time. Also, I think its better to wait until I can post more than 5-6 pics as that seems to annoy you :). So better to have you wait a little, especially with the present cliff hanger, and give you a real, thick, action-packed chapter when the time is ripe.

Game night tonight. Can't wait. Very exciting.
 
As I wrote, it was a tactical mistake to keep French army at Spanish border. It takes more than 7 days to reach Narbonne by the fastest Italian unit. It takes, however, just 6 days for French division to reach Narbonne by train from Paris. If French kept 1 unit in Narbonne they could could allow another couple of days for units to move South. If the Allies pray for the USA they should plead Italians to attack and invite them to do so by emptying the border ;)
 
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Wow! It took me a week to catch up. I read all 5 AARs from top to bottom (yes, including comments), if I get fired for reading at my workplace I'll blame you cpt.

It is really nice to see the characters; to actually see how everyone plays and get to know you guys. Maxyboy being all cautios (except the silly Italian gung-ho thing). Daphne has a very intersting playstyle, however I saw too many pockets in sovietunion, apart from that fantastic. Huge respect to Zid (Best!) and Cpt. (albeit biased as it is cpt. AAR after all, silly moves never get posted me thinks :) )
I haven't really managed to get a hang of SirHenry's playstyle... hope to see a bit more of it this game.

Please take my 'criticism' with a pinch of salt, as all of you would hand me my **** on a silver plate, if I plaid against you guys.

Signed up!!
 
Is there realy such a game mechanic? I would be happy if you could fill me in as we are trying to reshape the SF-HR into a FTM-HR trying to limit Soviet aggression on minors.


I've tested the pace at which USA is drifting toward the Allies and, both Axis (+) and USSR (-) actions seem to affect it. But I did not have a very extensive sample. So it might be a coincidence for USSR actions' impact.
 
I've tested the pace at which USA is drifting toward the Allies and, both Axis (+) and USSR (-) actions seem to affect it. But I did not have a very extensive sample. So it might be a coincidence for USSR actions' impact.

I was under the impression that USSR actions would only push the USA away from Comintern, not from the Allies, but I could be wrong.
 
Have you thought about doing a house rule that only allowed Total War Economy for the big wars, ie majors vs reasonably threatening countries (US, Canada, UK, France, Italy, Germany, Poland, SU, Japan, China)? Doesn't seem realistic that even Germany or Soviets would be able to convince their populations to make huge sacrifices implied by the total war economy if you're fighting Bulgaria or Persia. Maybe those little wars would only let you go to 2nd or 3rd best laws. It would expand the space for strategic moves especially by the Soviet player w/o completely changing the production balance btw Allies/Comintern and Axis at that point of the game. It would also better simulate realistic choices. Arguably, an extended Winter War saved the SU in Barbarossa because it exposed the serious flaws in Soviet tactics and chain of command. A commander could legitimately extend a campaign to get his troops more experience. Seems less likely that the population would put up with an extended war if it meant they had to sacrifice all consumer goods.

Just a thought.
 
I need another update soon Captain Easy. My impatience grows thin and will soon direct Zhukov and his 8th Guards Tank Army to surround your pitiful Italian headquarters and destroy it unless you minimize my impatience with another brilliantly written AAR!
 
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Carnage al Dente

Chapter VII - Italy at War








Human players: Germany, Italy, Japan, UK, USA, Soviet
No Canada and Von Rosen replaced Gamla Stan at Japan. Maxyboy now switch from France to USA.







Recap: France just turned Vichy and after that, Italy and Japan declared war on the remaining Allies. Soviet has beaten Finland and puppeted Turkey. Now, they are at war with Persia and has been for some time.

















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February 13th, 1940

Even if France had fallen, the war in Europe was not entirely over. The Belgians, supported by a few French divisions and soon a few from Luxemburg, still struggled in a five-province pocket. This area did shrink even though Germany did not have a great many troops around. They would soon be vanquished.

During this time, Persia fell to the Soviet Union.

Authors note: We had carefully tried to create House Rules to limit Soviets ability to wage war on minors without affecting the diplomatic balance. It worked well in last game but not in FtM as threat did not seem to build at all. The Allies/Commies offered for SOV to not attack more minors as long as Axis didn’t either. Axis felt this was a good “deal” during the circumstances.















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February – April, 1940

The Italians attacked Gibraltar with 23 brigades versus 16. The Brits however, was mostly motorized and dug in. Add to that the cover of the fortified city and support by a strong naval force who shelled the Italians continuously (-25%). That was not all. The Brits had allocated four squadrons of Hurricanes and two groups of two squadrons of tactical bomber each. The interceptors of RAF quickly proved vastly superior to those of Regia Aeronautica and the attacking force quickly lost air cover and British bombs was added to that of the war ships. The Italians pulled back after losing 6 men for every killed Brit. It was far from impressive and the Italian state press greatly increased the British death toll in order to be able to explain it for the civil Italy.

The second attack was initiated a few weeks later. The Brits had now reinforced to 7 divisions but the Italians had an army corps of Germans waiting to take on the battle once the Italians were spent. This battle proved even more disastrous. The Italians were utterly spent and broke even before the Germans had move through the one single province they needed to traverse in order to reach the battle. The Axis planes one again lost the battle in the air. The Italian losses were stunning and the British losses were insignificant.

The third attack was done in April. This time, the Germans lead it with minor back up from Italy and with more than one Italian army corps waiting to take over the battle. It had been problematic to assemble these troops as the Spanish roads got completely clogged by supply trucks and transport planes was brought in to support troops who did not get enough supply. The Germans fared none better than the Italians and also this attack was thrown back by the victorious Brits.

After the third failure, the Axis came to the conclusion that Gibraltar could not be taken from a Brit determined to defend at all costs. Instead, they chose to focus elsewhere as the Brits clearly had designated so much forces here. Chances were that a gap could be found somewhere else…

Authors note: This was of course a huge disappointment for especially Italy. As is obvious, I had planned to close the Med from the west, forcing the Brit to travel around Africa, severely damaging his flexibility. Still, the attack on Spain had other objectives…















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February – April, 1940

When France fell, the plan was that all Axis nations simultaneous would start raid British convoys. By making Spain puppets, Italy had based submarines in their Atlantic harbors before Gibraltar sound was closed. Due to a mixture of misfortune, a German error and clever British navy, 4 out of 6 German uboats were sunk as they left port on their first mission. The other 2 was damaged and had to return to safety. Thus, Axis was without Germany as they launched the convoy war. This was another blow to the grand plan.

As I turned out, the Italian submarines were quite efficient without the Germans, thanks to the Spanish bases. With the help of the Japs, the Allies initially lost some 30-35 convoys each week. As Italy could change convoy patterns to better intercept the Brits and the two German wolf packs could join the fray in April, the Allied (mostly British) toll on convoys rose to some 40-45 each week. This got to be extremely taxing… During the first two and a half months, Italy only lost two submarine groups (in the Med) with a few other getting damaged. The submariners quickly got a hero-status in the Italian press.

British raiding in the Med was close to zero. Italian convoys had escorts, for sure, but the main reason was that RN had sent most of their submarines to the Pacific. There, they managed to give the Japs plenty of headaches and as they had failed to build enough convoys they ended up lacking transports for supply and recourses for a while.















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February 14th, 1940

As the first attack on Gibraltar commenced and the convoy war was just getting started, the Italian Africa corps went on offensive.

Authors note: The Italian Africa Corps is very weak. Its objective is not something glorious as “taking Suez”. It is designed to be big enough to worry the Brit but small enough to be expendable. Plain and simple – this is just a force to tug at the British player’s attention.















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March 1st, 1940

The Italian Africa Corps have been making quite rapid progress in roughly two weeks. As they cautiously tries to cover up their rear, fearing amphibious attacks, their ability to attack the Brits have trickled away to nothing with only a single cavalry brigade up front.
















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March 9th, 1940

Nevertheless, The Brits found the weak spot and had troops to put there, simultaneous as armor divisions (LARM/ARM, MOT, MOT I think) attacked from the east.

Authors note: Bear in mind that this is in the middle of the three attacks on Gibraltar, so 7 British divisions, 4 INT and 4 TAC is locked there.

The Italian leadership quickly realized they had no ability to repel this attack and they used all their ability to try and minimize their losses when the landed motorized divisions tried to cut the Italian Africa Corps in half.















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March 15th, 1940

Unsurprisingly, the Italians were thrown back. One infantry division and a motorized brigade was caught in the British trap and lost. The cavalry division and the lone brigade were saved albeit in a terrible state.

More surprising to the Italians, however, was the fact that the Brits did not continue their push. Both the cavalry- and motorized divisions were in almost complete disorder and the westernmost infantry division east of Tobruk had taken some punishment, while the Brits seemed more or less unaffected. Tobruk could have been conquered easily, but the Brits seemed happy with their victory and pulled back their main forces.

The Battle of North Africa was over for this time after about a month of offensives and smaller battles – with Britain as the obvious winner. The Italian troops just could not match the Brits it seemed.















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April 23rd, 1940

After the land-battles of North Africa, things were quite for a while. Then the leadership of Italy got news of immense naval battles in the Pacific and the Eastern Indian Ocean between the Royal Navy and the Imperial Japanese Navy. As quite large parts of the Royal Navy seemed to be tied up there, and Kriegsmarine had won a great battle in the North, the Regia Marina started to prowl the Med.

Authors note: I was quite sure that UK/Zid wanted early clashes with the RM to give them a Royal Beating, buying themselves a secure back (as I did as UK in last game). I did not want to give him that luxury and had made no movement at all with RM, but held them secure at Venetia.

The Regia Marina started to patrol the Med but it turned out that United Kingdom had left it empty, except one or two submarines. A small French detachment was sunk without further ado but otherwise little happened. Finally, Italian submarines spotted a British taskforce consisting of five battleships and seven light cruisers. The Italian taskforces wanted confrontation but the Brits sailed to the Nile delta, by the Suez Canal, and stayed there. The Italian admiral did not want to attack into this area having the ports of Alexandria in the back. The Brits had more ships there and it could quickly become nasty. Thus, nothing happened.















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April 8th, 1940

During a couple of months, three Italian militia divisions had been roaming free in East Africa, securing a few ports and other areas without any opposition. In April, however, a first British division landed here and was soon followed by a few more resulting in 3 or 4 divisions. Still, the going was slow and they were too few to effectively crush the militia. This would not be a quick win for the Brits even if the Italian militia had no chance of actually winning.

Just like in northern Africa, the Italian force was enough to be a concern and pull at the British attention but small enough to be expendable. The point was obviously to give the British leadership full hands. Still, it appeared the Brits had done this very well and the Italians had failed to find a weak point – except possibly the fact that the British Sub-hunting capacity was low.















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March, 1940

During early spring, Hungary joined the Axis. This was welcomed.



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Next chapter: The war in the Pacific
 
Does any Axis country have strat. bombers? They might be good for ruining Gibraltar.