I finally pre-ordered on Gamersgate. Strange... because all my Paradox games are on steam. But I decided on GG because of the auto-patch option on Steam. After waiting for so long I would really hate to see my saved-game ruined by the auto-patch (And yes, I know it can be disabled, but sometimes after an update or a crash the auto-patch is strangely on again). So I just hope that the DLC will arrive on GG in a reasonable time even if the STEAM seems to be the preferred distributor of CK II.
You could make a copy of the game so even if the Steam one would update you can play the copy that is the old versio if you want. Thats how I'm going to do it.Originally Posted by Warspite_TW
I finally pre-ordered on Gamersgate. Strange... because all my Paradox games are on steam. But I decided on GG because of the auto-patch option on Steam. After waiting for so long I would really hate to see my saved-game ruined by the auto-patch (And yes, I know it can be disabled, but sometimes after an update or a crash the auto-patch is strangely on again
To be honest, I'll probably wait until it is closer to release date, as there really isn't any bonus to doing other than the blue coins that will still be there if I pre order the day before release.
I'll probably just play around with Crusader Kings 1 in the mean time... or Victoria 2 with the PDM mod.
Edit: I've got to sometime on February 7th, that is a lot of time. XD
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Well, I broke down and preordered the game. Foolish as that was, it'll be my Christmas present to myself.
Good thing it wasn't a Steam exclusive or I wouldn't have bought it at all. IGamersgate.
I preordered it tooCan't wait for the release, first i though i won't buy it that early, but those latest DDs changed my mind
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When can I preorder on steam?
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Comes early january to steam.
So...after the point where Paradox coupons from the current Steam sale would be able to be applied to it then? Drats.
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This is not the first time someone stated this and I had to correct him. It reads clearly in the coupons that they don't ably on games released after January 2nd, 2012.
Hello!
You all seem to have chosen your side: either Steam or Gamersgate. I have not used either of them.
I would like to preorder, but which one should I use? Could someone compare them based on these criteria:
* Prices and bonuses (like GG blue coins?)?
* pre-order benefits. What kinds of benefits can there be? Are those useful really?
* estimated delay time to get updates? autoupdating (no, optional, always on)? DLCs availability?
* ability to play mods?
* ability to develop mods?
* playing the game offline/internet connection needed? (fully offline, starting online & playing offline, only online...)
* multiplayer gaming available? (no, with all, with other steamers/GGers etc.)
* non-CK2-related benefits/drawbacks of the platforms.
* is either of the platforms "primary" one for paradox games?
* anything else worth mentioning?
Thank you
Does anyone know if there's a possibility to pre-order the mac version of the game?
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I can answer you about Steam but don't know anything really of GG.
Price is not yet known as its not yet on pre-order, but most likely the same as in GG. There is not any bonus like blue coins on Steam.
You could for example get soundtracks and first dlc's for free if you pre-order. Still we don't know as it has not been announced what pre-order bonuses there will be.
In Steam it most likely now will be almost immidiatly. Its autoupdating but you can turn it off on a game to game basis. All DLC's will be available on Steam.
You can play mods on Steam without any problems. There is people who claim you can't but I have had no problems with any Paradox game.
CKII is said to be the most modable game of Paradox. Steam doesn't anyway stop you from modding your game.
Steam is a client based program so default is being online. You can play CKII offline. There is an offline mode on the client and it works nicely. Some people have had problems with it. I personally never had a problem with it as I play games on another computer that rarely is connected to internet and I can play all games on Steam on it without being online. It has never even asked to log to internet and it has been offline for many months.
CKII multiplayer is not anyway restricted on Steam or GG. So all players can play online with eachother. It doesn't matter where you bought the game.
Steam has the client program that on my opinion is a good thing. GG doesn't have one and you download games by selecting them from their website. On Steam you can chose to download the game from the client from a list that list all your Steam games and is in my opinion simpler that GG's method. (I know GG's methods as I have few free games from them)
Steam is announced to be the primary platform and GG version was created for those people who don't want to use Steam.
Steam client has a lot of other benefits as you can browse the shop from the client itself. There is quite frequent sales on games. Even currently there is holiday sales going on and every day there is even better deals on games already on sale. Steam has also promotion events that might get you free games or other stuff without buying anything. Just to note that Steam is not neceserly even needed to play games bought from Steam. For example CKII will not need Steam to be on for you to play it. There is a lot other games like that but there is also those that need Steam to be on either online or offline and some that require it to be online. It depens on the game in question.
The Mac version isn't finished yet. I asked a while ago.
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Thank you for you answer, Wezqu. It seems that I'll wait for Steam
Blue coins are nice and add up quite well- I've tended to use them to buy cheap specials where otherwise the transaction charge for my credit card would be more than the game itself- but only if you use GG regularly. Price ought to be equivalent.
From what Pdox have said ought to be roughly equivalent. They'll probably be almost entirely cosmetic, and largely the same or equivalent across different vendors.* pre-order benefits. What kinds of benefits can there be? Are those useful really?
Steam has an autoupdate which can be turned off but is on by default. Don't really know for the GG version- there is no GG autoupdate function so it may be similar to the current situation where you press butan on launcher. Autoupdate is not necessarily a good thing, as updates may break save games and mods- if there were to be a native autoupdate I'd actually want to turn it off until the situation could be clarified. DLCs will presumably be equivalent.* estimated delay time to get updates? autoupdating (no, optional, always on)? DLCs availability?
No difference, presumably. Again though, autoupdates may potentially break some mods.* ability to play mods?
* ability to develop mods?
Not required for either so far as CK2 is concerned. Steam's client will try to go online as much as possible but it can be set to offline mode, and isn't actually necessary for running ck2.* playing the game offline/internet connection needed? (fully offline, starting online & playing offline, only online...)
Should be no difference.* multiplayer gaming available? (no, with all, with other steamers/GGers etc.)
Do you like cliented software? Steam installs itself as a separate program, GG has no external program with it except for the downloader itself. If you've used a PS3/X360 steam is rather similar to their PSN/ Live services and basically gives a 'console like' (not intended as an insult) experience on the computer with built in achievements and some 'social type' functions, if you have used Impulse or other similar cliented systems steam is a rather more... developed, but similar system. I personally dislike clients on principle as they're just one more thing that can go wrong- if there's a problem with the client you (potentially) lose access to your games until it is fixed. With a clientless system it's only problems related to the game itself that are potential problems once it is installed. Note though: that is a more general complaint, as it stands for CK2 you need steam for patching/ dlc and installation, so client problems are less of a worry in that respect.* non-CK2-related benefits/drawbacks of the platforms.
Steam is, since things like beta patching is done via it. Practically if Pdox are true to their word their ought to be little difference.* is either of the platforms "primary" one for paradox games?
Steam got hacked recently? No, there aren't really any additional benefits to either- it really should depend on whether steam's client and the stuff associated with that appeals. I personally would not buy from steam (I consider them to be monopolistic and dislike nannying clients) but I'd advise you to check out the benefits closer to time and make a choice then- you don't get anything extra for deciding early. There's no real need to limit yourself to one etailer only.* anything else worth mentioning?
Also, consider that other online vendors (presumably, from what has been said the DRM free version will only be on GG) will offer the steam version and may actually offer it cheaper or with better benefits than steam itself, and retail may be cheaper too. So if you have bought games from somewhere like Impulse previous you may still be able to use them to buy, if you want to.
There is no DRM in the game. People should stop stating this when its not true.
I finally pre ordered my game at GG as well. Now waiting for February.
A 3rd party account client based system is DRM. You have to activate your game- and that is the same term used by Paradox themselves- pretty much exactly as you would for a game with Tages/ SecuROM/ UniLoc, and log into your 3rd party account and have the client running when updating/ for DLC/ installation. That is DRM even if you don't have to have the client running all the time (which I explicitly said was the case, too, much as I think steam is a rubbish system I try to be fair when giving advice). I may be assuming that the situation with GG will be as it is now with respect to CK2, but I had noted that that was an assumption.
Simply put, you can't simply redefine a term because you happen to like steam and don't want it associated with a 'bad' word- I'd bet dollars to donuts you wouldn't object to Origin being labelled DRM, for example.
Agreed. Steam is a form of DRM. After my experience with Civilization 5 being a Steam exclusive, I shan't be buying anymore Steam exclusives. It's not worth all the annoyance.
In the same sense that having to buy the game in a store is "Digital Rights Management", because it limits availability. Steam/Gamersgate/etc. are delivery systems for the purchased content and if it's a digital download obviously you'll have to download it from somewhere. You do not ever have to start the delivery system apart from installing your game or, if you want them, installing updates. Notice how the key word is "install". Y'know, the thing you have to do with DVDs as well and what you would have to do with DLC in either case. DRM is a "bad word" because of the intrusive and customer-punishing manner it is often used by ignorant management-types that think bullying Non-Pirates will stop Piracy and the reason people object to it being conflated with Download Services is because it is unfairly derogatory. I like Steam. I don't tolerate it due to offering some deal or because they force me to have it (which the vast majority of non-Valve games do not), I simply think that it's a good and convenient service.
What, exactly, would be a Non-DRM form of digital purchases? Surely you will always have to download them from somewhere, given the whole "digital" thing, so is it purely because you have a program installed on your computer? Does that mean Gamersgate uses "Firefox"-DRM? Does the term actually mean anything when conflated with Steam and the like? In cases where running Steam is not necessary to play, as it isn't with Paradox titles, I mean. Otherwise it's obviously DRM.
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