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    Then again, funding rebels isn't the same as sending troops. Denmark didn't gain Skane through defection, Denmark sent troops and the Kingdom of Sweden accepted to give back Skane.
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    Having the south Swedish (/East Danish ) rebels as pretenders and giving Denmark Military Access in Sweden is enough to enable Denmark to intervene and the AI might do it, given that there is a strait. That would make return of the provinces to Denmark solely dependant on the Swedish goodwill or war, historically accurate
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    I'll run a few tests to see if Denmark actually intervenes against rebels if it has military access.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gigau View Post
    I'll run a few tests to see if Denmark actually intervenes against rebels if it has military access.
    I've seen it happen with vassals killing rebels inside their master's country but I don't think it would work unless denmark and sweden were at least allied.

    Quote Originally Posted by gigau View Post
    Then again, funding rebels isn't the same as sending troops.
    Depends how literally you take the anachronistic standing armies you get in this game. If those rebels are mercenaries and the danish army is mostly mercenaries anyway then its pretty much the same thing. You could even add a manpower cost to denmark for spawning the rebels.

    Quote Originally Posted by gigau View Post
    Denmark didn't gain Skane through defection, Denmark sent troops and the Kingdom of Sweden accepted to give back Skane.
    Denmark can invade Sweden and take a province no matter what's going on.

    You could add an event or decision that seceds Skane to denmark in return for some bonus.

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    Dznmark doesn't seem to intervene as much as i'd like it to, when we use the pretender rebel option. If we were to use this option, i'd have the king of Sweden not give skane if Denmark doesn't send troops (it was after all the terms of the accord).

    The slight other bonus of having a two nations option is so you can play the rebel. To which statement, i know you'll say "and what about the other rebels ?"
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    What about manpower reduction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leppuno View Post
    What about manpower reduction?
    What for ?
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    to symbolize sending troops. Maybe a decision which grants Sweden units and temporary forcelimit increase while Denmark loses manpower and gold.
    Then when there are no more pretender rebels, Sweden will cede Skane.

    If Denmark refuses, Sweden won't cede Skane.

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    Well, i'm not sure i like this way of modelling the situation. Sweden will keep the regiments, although they should return them to Denmark.

    Never looked at that, but anyone has any idea about what AI nation do with mercenary regiments they recruited during wars ? do they keep 'em or do they disband those regiments ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leppuno View Post
    to symbolize sending troops. Maybe a decision which grants Sweden units and temporary forcelimit increase while Denmark loses manpower and gold.
    Then when there are no more pretender rebels, Sweden will cede Skane.

    If Denmark refuses, Sweden won't cede Skane.
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    Well, i'm not sure i like this way of modelling the situation. Sweden will keep the regiments, although they should return them to Denmark.

    Never looked at that, but anyone has any idea about what AI nation do with mercenary regiments they recruited during wars ? do they keep 'em or do they disband those regiments ?
    Maybe a decision that cuts tax efficiency and the manpower pool for Denmark while also giving Sweden a small lump sum of cash, a manpower pool bonus and faster troop recruitment for as long as Denmark has their version going (maybe 1 or 2 years).
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    Possibly. But wasn't it said that AI had trouble disbanding regiment following changes of manpower pools due to modifiers ?
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    It seems you need to remove all "sverige" cores after swedish unification.
    Because else after time and next losed war "Sverige" returns to the map to complete player confusion.

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    Thought that the cores were automatically removed... might not have taken in account so situations. thanks for the report.
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    Sverige used to pop-up in 5.1, but tbh I have not seen it yet in 5.2

    Although my knowledge of the succession war is fairly limited, as afaik it is pretty historical accurate and it would make denmark function as it used to.
    Yes it wastes a tag, but it needs some serious coding for events and such to make it work another way. And not everybody has sverige/sweden rather than a working 100 year war (just saying resources should be spend wisely).
    Tbh, if you have a pretty well working system, why change it?


    On a further note, I even wanted to have the same mechanism for the Hook and Cod wars in Holland at the start date, only thing against that is the severely limited number of provinces making this impossible.
    It's the same kind of situation (ruler vs pretender) and at the start date of the gamethey both rule a part of the count(r)y. Also the country itself has several advantages over a rebel, which makes the battle uneven.

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    Possibly. But wasn't it said that AI had trouble disbanding regiment following changes of manpower pools due to modifiers ?
    If Sverige wins the initial war, they can retain their Sverige cores on Swedish culture territories when they switch tags to Sweden.

    When Sweden wins, the rebel cores are removed everywhere. One other thing I have noticed about Sweden: Due to the large number of wars that get fought in Scandinavia, Ostergotland is released really frequently. Whenever I've seen this happen, I have yet to see Sweden recover, since it tends to take the few valuable provinces from Sweden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nivve View Post
    And not everybody has sverige/sweden rather than a working 100 year war (just saying resources should be spend wisely).
    Talking of the HYW, shouldn't the Breton succession war have a similar system to the Swedish one? Both sides start as vassals and vassals can't form nations even if they take the territory (which they don't) so Monfort+Blois stick around until they're diplo-annexed. And their cores never go away either, so you can have either of them suddenly break away from France in 1800.

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    Me personally am not familiar at all of the specifics of the 100-year war, so I cannot answer your question, maybe someone with more knowledge about that part of history can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mizzle View Post
    Talking of the HYW, shouldn't the Breton succession war have a similar system to the Swedish one? Both sides start as vassals and vassals can't form nations even if they take the territory (which they don't) so Monfort+Blois stick around until they're diplo-annexed. And their cores never go away either, so you can have either of them suddenly break away from France in 1800.
    Good idea, thanks. wish i had thought about it
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