Historiam Nova Mundi - An Alternate Victoria2 Mod

[hoi2geek]

IMPORTANT NOTE: Do not let the title of the thread fool you. The real name of the mod is "Nova Mundi Histroria".

IMPORTANT NOTE #2: NMH NOW HAS A WIKI. Please note though that this mod does not cover events since 1936, which this wiki does.(So far though, Veneda
has a page although more pages will follow)

http://nmh.wikia.com/-NMH Wiki(covering also events from 1836-present)

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Well, this mod is in the works now so I will just reveal this to the public, now.

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DETAILS
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What this mod will have is an alternate world that spans several centuries.

POINTS OF DIVERGENCES(some of them)
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-Latin managed to spread into Poland and Czechoslovakia, giving rise to the Venedic, Silesian, and Slevan languages
-Ferdinand Magellan was in the service of the Irish monarch, with the result being that the Philippines becomes an Irish colony
-Burgundy and Aragon managed to survive and funded colonies around the world
-Korea managed to hold on to Southern Manchuria, with the Manchus eventually creating a new dynasty there
-The Ming emperors decide to continue their expeditions, ultimately discovering and colonizing the West Coast of North America
-Vinland survives and expands deeper inland
-The Latin Empire also survives and is now a powerful state The Crusader states also survives as client states for the Empire, as are Kurdistan and Babylonia(two European-like states in the Middle East).

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CREDIT GOES TO . . . .
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-The teams of Divergences, Springtime of Nations, and the Age of Colonialism mods
-Jan van Steenburgen (for creating the Venedic language)

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PRECISE DETAILS AND SCREENSHOTS TO COME SHORTLY
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-Gian Rivero

[Carles li Reis]

It should be Historia Nova Mundi if you want the name of the mod to be in nominative. Or perhaps Nova Mundi Historia.

[Dyranum]

Wasn't this MOD talked about in another thread some time ago? I remember there being discussions of a latin Poland.

It should be Historia Nova Mundi if you want the name of the mod to be in nominative. Or perhaps Nova Mundi Historia.

Now I'm jealous! A person who knows latin (or seems to).

[hoi2geek]

Wasn't this MOD talked about in another thread some time ago? I remember there being discussions of a latin Poland.

Yes, there was talk on the Springtime of Nations mod. Of course, I was the one who initiated the talk in the first place.

[Radar38]

I believe, from my limited Latin knowlegde, that "Historia Novae Mundi" = History of the New World/Universe, Nova and Mundus could be in the genetive and Historia in the nominative. I think the current title says "The new thing of the world towards history", but I may be wrong.

[Carles li Reis]

It depends on what is the name supposed to mean. History of the New World would be Historia Novi Mundi whereas New History of the World is Nova Mundi Historia in Latin (the word order being fairly flexible). Sorry for all that Latin stuff.

[hoi2geek]

It depends on what is the name supposed to mean. History of the New World would be Historia Novi Mundi whereas New History of the World is Nova Mundi Historia in Latin (the word order being fairly flexible). Sorry for all that Latin stuff.

Fine I'll change it to Nova Mundi Historia (New History of the World). Can we just stick to talk about the mod, please?

[shadow121292]

Three questions the first is how does Latin expand into those two regions? Czechoslovakia is understandable as some of those lands were at one point inhabited by the Romans for a brief period of time but Poland they never reached. Second is who is the King of Ireland and how did he come about. Canonically by the time of Magellan the Irish kingdoms were deeply divided and the strongest political force in the area was England. Does this mean that a reversal happened historically with Ireland unifying first and England being to divided to attempt to control Ireland?

Lastly the survival of Aragon and Burgundy occurred how? I take it in the case of Aragon, Ferdinand never married Isabella and thus there are at least 3 kingdoms on Iberia Castile, Portugal, and Aragon. In the case of Burgundy the inheritance never happened?

[hoi2geek]

Three questions the first is how does Latin expand into those two regions? Czechoslovakia is understandable as some of those lands were at one point inhabited by the Romans for a brief period of time but Poland they never reached. Second is who is the King of Ireland and how did he come about. Canonically by the time of Magellan the Irish kingdoms were deeply divided and the strongest political force in the area was England. Does this mean that a reversal happened historically with Ireland unifying first and England being to divided to attempt to control Ireland?

Lastly the survival of Aragon and Burgundy occurred how? I take it in the case of Aragon, Ferdinand never married Isabella and thus there are at least 3 kingdoms on Iberia Castile, Portugal, and Aragon. In the case of Burgundy the inheritance never happened?

1) The Romans colonized Czechoslovakia and populated it with the Romans. Then when the Huns invaded, some of them came to the Vistula river valley, where they encountered the Slavs, who were fleeing the Germanic tribes. Some of the Slavs eventually came to Czechoslovakia and intermarried with the Roman colonists, while those who stayed in Poland did the same for the colonists who fled. Thus, the West Slavic peoples cease to exist, with new Slavo-Romanic peoples taking their place

2) After the first invasion of the Normans, the Irish monarchs banded together to drive them out of the Pale. There, to save themselves, the Norman-English lords accepted Irish customs and language, and also accepted a unified Irish kingdom. The King of Ireland is a descendant of these Normans who became Gaels in all but name(the Fitzgerald family has ruled the island since 1486)

3)Ferdinand never married Isabella, but a war with Ireland(for control of Galicia) weakened Castille, to the point where Leon becomes an independent fief and Granada, while becoming a Catholic kingdom in 1512, remains independent.

4)The Burgundian Inheritance never happened, as you said it.

There will be more Points of Divergences to be revealed yet. And a precise timeline will be published shortly afterwards.

[SouthernKing]

I like the idea behind this timeline.

[Dyranum]

Wait, what about Byzantium?

[hoi2geek]

Wait, what about Byzantium?

During the Fourth Crusade, the Crusaders destroyed the Byzantine Empire and replaced it with the Latin Empire, which would eventually cover Greece, Anatolia, Kurdistan, Cyrenaica, and Mesopotamia.

[Dyranum]

Yeah, but the Byzantine Empire was re-established by Nicea.
Besides, the name of the Eastern Roman Empire would be very prestigious.



...Oh well, I'm guessing you're not going to add in Byzantium.

[hoi2geek]

Yeah, but the Byzantine Empire was re-established by Nicea.
Besides, the name of the Eastern Roman Empire would be very prestigious.



...Oh well, I'm guessing you're not going to add in Byzantium.

I will add Byzantium, but will go by the name of the Latin Empire

[ZomgK3tchup]

I will add Byzantium, but will go by the name of the Latin Empire

The Latin Empire was a crusader state. It doesn't make sense for it to exist since it would have made enemies out of both the Turks and the Greeks.

Eastern Roman Empire is your best bet historically.

[hoi2geek]

The Latin Empire was a crusader state. It doesn't make sense for it to exist since it would have made enemies out of both the Turks and the Greeks.

Eastern Roman Empire is your best bet historically.

In this world however, the Fourth Crusade Manged to wipe out the Byzantines and exercise control over all of Byzantium and Anatolia.

[Dyranum]

They managed to do that in OTL too, just only temporary.

[ZomgK3tchup]

In this world however, the Fourth Crusade Manged to wipe out the Byzantines and exercise control over all of Byzantium and Anatolia.

Any lasting crusader state is highly implausible, IMO. There are simply too many groups with superior numbers and technology to compete with, sorta why the later crusades failed so miserably.

But fair enough. I'd recommend a resurrected Byzantium state myself since it's more likely and more tolerated by the locals (being both Orthodox and Greek compared to non-Greek Catholics) but it does the job nonetheless.

[Karakoran]

It seems to similar to Divergences, and the things that are changed aren't very original. Babylon? Yawn.

Try doing something major, like Japan becoming a dominating power in the Far East, having domination of a good slice of China, and say the Mongols, although losing most of their empire, cut off Russian expansion East and dominate Siberia.

You know, ideas that are really out there, not the unoriginal stuff like Aragon and Ireland that everyone has thought of.

Personally though, I do like the idea of the Crusaders and all that Middle Eastern stuff. It just needs something no one has thought of, a driving force. Maybe instead of rehasing old nations (such as Byzantium and Babylon) make new ones with semi-historical titles.

Sorry if I seemed over-critical, but I think a system of tough love is best when it comes for mod ideas.

[hoi2geek]

It seems to similar to Divergences, and the things that are changed aren't very original. Babylon? Yawn.

Try doing something major, like Japan becoming a dominating power in the Far East, having domination of a good slice of China, and say the Mongols, although losing most of their empire, cut off Russian expansion East and dominate Siberia.

You know, ideas that are really out there, not the unoriginal stuff like Aragon and Ireland that everyone has thought of.

Personally though, I do like the idea of the Crusaders and all that Middle Eastern stuff. It just needs something no one has thought of, a driving force. Maybe instead of rehasing old nations (such as Byzantium and Babylon) make new ones with semi-historical titles.

Sorry if I seemed over-critical, but I think a system of tough love is best when it comes for mod ideas.

I will add Tripoli, Jerusalem, Eddessa, Antioch, Lesser Armenia, as well as a releasable Seljuk nation, (the TUR tag will be used for a Catholic Turkey)