first country to start as?

[panosmel]

Why is the formation of the Byzantines limited to just Orthodox and not just Greek culture? Didn't one of the popes wish to create a Catholic Greek state? It would seem that if some of the Latins managed to take over Greece and eventually assimilated to being Greek, they would form a Latin-Greek state.

it wouldnt make sensse for the killlers of the empire to rebuild.but there should be an option that the Greeks rebel and take control.which would make them orthodox (since they already were) and all the latins are kicked out back to Italy

[dskod1]

Also do not forget the Byzantine empire openly turned Catholic. Although that was when they had one province and the ottomans were breathing down there neck so in a desperate attempt to get support they turned catholic at the request of Papacy. Oh and no one ending up sending much of anything to save them in the end

[Konstantinos XV]

Oh, please. "Openly turned". They had to flirt with the Papacy for centuries. Michael VIII ruthlessly enforced a union for a decade because he was afraid of the crusade directed at him. It does not mean the society and the clergy embraced Catholicism. (In the end his grateful subjects denied him a proper Christian burial and the union was repudiated immediately following his death.) Let us not confuse political declaration with actual state of affairs. "Better the Turkish turban than the papal tiara".

[Earl Uhtred]

Also do not forget the Byzantine empire openly turned Catholic. Although that was when they had one province and the ottomans were breathing down there neck so in a desperate attempt to get support they turned catholic at the request of Papacy. Oh and no one ending up sending much of anything to save them in the end

And it gave them a -5 stability hit.

[dskod1]

yes. I fully agree with you on that.


It is actually more of an insult then anything by the pope. The roman Empire destroyed by one of the very things they nurtured.

[JasonOfArgos]

it wouldnt make sensse for the killlers of the empire to rebuild.but there should be an option that the Greeks rebel and take control.which would make them orthodox (since they already were) and all the latins are kicked out back to Italy

If a Greek Catholic state ended up owning all of Greece, I see no reason why it would require Orthodoxy to form Greece. It would be the same as if a Hellenistic Greece somehow rose up and controlled everything.

[Urza]

I don't think you need to be Orthodox to form Greece in the game.

[panosmel]

If a Greek Catholic state ended up owning all of Greece, I see no reason why it would require Orthodoxy to form Greece. It would be the same as if a Hellenistic Greece somehow rose up and controlled everything.

Hellinistic Greece?? its kinda hard to undersand since Greece=Hellas in greek

[eliphas8]

Hellinistic Greece?? its kinda hard to undersand since Greece=Hellas in greek

In english hellinistic greece is usually used to describe pre-christian greece.

[panosmel]

In english hellinistic greece is usually used to describe pre-christian greece.

Oh ok,I get it now.Well I am still against it,since the catholic realms were Greek in population but were run by Latins (crusaders). But it would be nice to have an invent where the Greeks rebel.And also,Orthodoxy played a majoer role in greek people and politics.IRL no one would accept it

[Nicophorus]

I had a very fun game playing a one province zoroastrian persia in northern Iran once, and then rebulding an empire from it. I'd like to do that again but I dont like that the game wont allow at 1399 start time

I like the late medivial period moreso then early modern age.

[stt0002]

I hope to play as Venice.
Back in eu2 I played Venice a lot

[Spuzzter]

I don't think you need to be Orthodox to form Greece in the game.

To reform the Byzantine Empire you have to be in the Byzantine Culture Group (Greek, Georgian, Armenian) & Orthodox... and not Greece. So, it's possible to do with, say, the Knights of St. John (provided a culture shift, an orthodox conversion, and a lot of lucky wars).

To form Greece in the mod, one must be Greek (duh) AND Athens, Morea, Achaea, or Naxos. Cyprus cannot technically do it, though in the folder if you were to simply add the tag in the decision folder. You could also do something similar with the Knights as a Greek state.

I'd like to see a 'Re-form the Latin Empire' option as a country in the Crusader quest group. It would be neat, and quite a challenge.

[Tapochki]

To reform the Byzantine Empire you have to be in the Byzantine Culture Group (Greek, Georgian, Armenian) & Orthodox... and not Greece. So, it's possible to do with, say, the Knights of St. John (provided a culture shift, an orthodox conversion, and a lot of lucky wars).

To form Greece in the mod, one must be Greek (duh) AND Athens, Morea, Achaea, or Naxos. Cyprus cannot technically do it, though in the folder if you were to simply add the tag in the decision folder. You could also do something similar with the Knights as a Greek state.

I'd like to see a 'Re-form the Latin Empire' option as a country in the Crusader quest group. It would be neat, and quite a challenge.

From my understanding, the development philosophy for MMtG is to make all events and decisions TAG independent - no nation specific content. That means Greece will probably be formable by more states than presented in the mod.

[Urza]

But it was also stated that deliberate cultural shift (of the country's main culture) is going to be harder, if at all possible.

[4TyStigma]

Gonna play as austria and then form Germany so the evil prussians don't do it =)

[VI Imre]

But it was also stated that deliberate cultural shift (of the country's main culture) is going to be harder, if at all possible.

It happened a few times in history, it will probably be possible.

My first country will be (after Portugal) Austria, and try to inherit my way to Germany.

[4TyStigma]

Just going make a list of all the games I am going to play

England where I am going to use the first century to get the full control of the British isles and form great Britain. From there I am going to colonise present day USA and Canada plus all other islands the English had. From there i will colonise south Africa as a step on my way to conquer the hole of India. When that is done I will colonise Australia and new Zealand in the last years of the game

Brandenburg where the first goal is to create Prussia and then going for Germany 1914 borders. After that Switzerland and Austria is going to be conquer, after that rest of Europe!

Muscovy with the goal main goal to get the borders of Russian empire in 1914 and go for Alaska of course.

Japanese minor with the first goal is to unify Japan and the create a island empire taking both Sakhalin and the kurils and every single island in Asia. After that I am going to enslave the Asian continent in a similar way that the Japanese did in second world war.

Sweden where I am going to conquer all of northern Europe and destroy the Danes. Next I am going to unify all of protestant Germany under my protection and making the Baltic ocean a Swedish sea. Next stop a colonist empire.

Dutch minor were I am going to destroy burgundy in a alliance with France and dividing Belgium between us. I get Flanders they get Wallonia. From here I starting a colonist empire and conquering Indonesia and becoming the biggest trade nation.

Castille with the goal of creating Spain and then making south America my own continent.After this I will get all the holdings Spain historically colonised.

Naples with the goal of uniting the hole of Italy under me. From here I am going to conquer Libya and Tunisia and start a colonist empire in Africa.

The Knights with the main goal of destroying all of Islam and then protestantism. From here the goal is to make the rest of the world catholic.

Egypt with the goal of a Muslim caliphate stretching from Morocco to India.

Delhi with the goal of creating the Mughals and conquering India and making it all Islamic.

Greek minor with the goal of creating Greece. From here Anatolia is to be reconquered from the Turks taking it back for orthodoxy.

Ottoman empire with the goal of conquering all the original holdings and a bit more

Portugal with the goal of taking Ceuta, tangiers and the canaries. From here all the original holdings and creating a grand Brasilia.

Burma with the goal of a Buddhist "caliphate" similar to the "Hindustan". From here I am going to conquer all of Indonesia and making it all Buddhist.

Denmark with the goal of keeping the Kalmarunion together and finally unifying it into a state. From here a huge colonial empire is of course the goal.

France with the goal of destroying the HRE!

[Descri]

I guess I won't play as any country, since Paradox destroyed MM.

[panosmel]

Just going make a list of all the games I am going to play

England where I am going to use the first century to get the full control of the British isles and form great Britain. From there I am going to colonise present day USA and Canada plus all other islands the English had. From there i will colonise south Africa as a step on my way to conquer the hole of India. When that is done I will colonise Australia and new Zealand in the last years of the game

Brandenburg where the first goal is to create Prussia and then going for Germany 1914 borders. After that Switzerland and Austria is going to be conquer, after that rest of Europe!

Muscovy with the goal main goal to get the borders of Russian empire in 1914 and go for Alaska of course.

Japanese minor with the first goal is to unify Japan and the create a island empire taking both Sakhalin and the kurils and every single island in Asia. After that I am going to enslave the Asian continent in a similar way that the Japanese did in second world war.

Sweden where I am going to conquer all of northern Europe and destroy the Danes. Next I am going to unify all of protestant Germany under my protection and making the Baltic ocean a Swedish sea. Next stop a colonist empire.

Dutch minor were I am going to destroy burgundy in a alliance with France and dividing Belgium between us. I get Flanders they get Wallonia. From here I starting a colonist empire and conquering Indonesia and becoming the biggest trade nation.

Castille with the goal of creating Spain and then making south America my own continent.After this I will get all the holdings Spain historically colonised.

Naples with the goal of uniting the hole of Italy under me. From here I am going to conquer Libya and Tunisia and start a colonist empire in Africa.

The Knights with the main goal of destroying all of Islam and then protestantism. From here the goal is to make the rest of the world catholic.

Egypt with the goal of a Muslim caliphate stretching from Morocco to India.

Delhi with the goal of creating the Mughals and conquering India and making it all Islamic.

Greek minor with the goal of creating Greece. From here Anatolia is to be reconquered from the Turks taking it back for orthodoxy.

Ottoman empire with the goal of conquering all the original holdings and a bit more

Portugal with the goal of taking Ceuta, tangiers and the canaries. From here all the original holdings and creating a grand Brasilia.

Burma with the goal of a Buddhist "caliphate" similar to the "Hindustan". From here I am going to conquer all of Indonesia and making it all Buddhist.

Denmark with the goal of keeping the Kalmarunion together and finally unifying it into a state. From here a huge colonial empire is of course the goal.

France with the goal of destroying the HRE!

Does it hurt bro? All this planning getting destroyed by 1 decision??