((Oh come on, of course I get a supporter after I'm the one to break the deadlock...))
((I'm disenfranchised because my former character supported the Coup. Sorry bud
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((I'm disenfranchised because my former character supported the Coup. Sorry bud
))
((I'm disenfranchised because my former character supported the Coup. Sorry bud
No you aren't. First of all, those disenfranchised in the last Coup have now had the franchise returned to them since an entire term has elapsed since, and secondly you were never a minister or general.
((Casting my vote as my other character))
Party: Liberales
Candidate: Carlos Andonie
Coalition: with the Republicanos(under Andonie)
Reform:Secret Ballots
-Armin Tamzarian
Party: Liberales
Candidate: Carlos Andonie
Coalition: with the Republicanos(under Andonie)
Reform:Secret Ballots
-Armin Tamzarian
((Actually, Osvaldo Tamiuszki has the most votes as Coalition Candidate, so would be the joint candidate.))
"I'd like to urge all liberales to push for a coalition with the Republicanos. This is what is needed in order to stay in office and avoid Socialists and Communists to take the power. They stand united while we must stand united as well. I'd nonetheless like to air out a possible coalition between Republicanos, Nacionales AND liberales. We all share some views and we are all against this "revolutionary" way of thinking, we have all seen the instability such an attitude comes with, which is why I urge you to consider a coalition."
- Romano
- Romano
((How old is Romano Pallen?
Roseno is already 64, so Romano has to be pretty close to 100))
Roseno is already 64, so Romano has to be pretty close to 100))
((You guys have an unnatural attachment to your characters! None of mine have made it past 55 yet!))
((Not an unnatural attachment, we are just better politicians who dont get killed xD))
((In fairness, the FNT isn't exactly moderate. It's more left-wing than Tony Benn.))
As previously stated, I am not vehemently averse to the proposition of a coalition, but only after the electoral circumstances have become clearer. It would be a disservice to my supporters to withdraw in favour of a coalition candidate when the outcome is still up in the air. Should the situation arise, I would be amenable to a grand coalition of all the parties of moderation and tradition, provided the Partido Nacional Democrático received fair representation in government.
- V. Severino
Please vote on NO COALITION so that we can get our own candidate on the elections.
I too am not against a coalition. We did after all have a very successful coalition this term. I too woukd like to see the electoral map more clearly before rushing into any choices. I can say though that I have worked well with many of the republicanis and would feel comfortable working with them again.
Presidente Andonie
Presidente Andonie
Even though they may be many differences in the Liberal Party with the FNT, I admire what you have just said. You are exactly the kind of man Chile needs to participate in politics: A man who knows his rights. I completely agree with that motion, and will support it wholeheartedly. We must help our brothers achieve freedom, as they helped us during the independence war.
Don't be cynical. You are guiding the liberales into voting in NO COALITION and you can't back down your views just yet. My family has always seen you as a honest man, and it bothers me that you are hiding your opinions and changing them in the last minute.
Also, open your eyes: The republicanos are very conservative. The nationales have a candidate who supports free markets! We should vote for him, so that our views are well represented, not on some evil republicanos who only want their views in place, not the majority's.
((I find it ridiculous that people want the option to form a coalition both before and during the election. No system allows such, and especially not for FPTP positions. Coalitions can be declared to support one candidate for positions such as President, say, or they are put together after elections for parliament in order to create a governing majority. In no case are coalitions made during an election where candidates drop out or some such nonsense. Especially for President. You either form a coalition ticket, or you don't. There is no "wait and see" option. If we were simulating parliament then we could make coalitions after the fact, but there is no option for such in a FPTP single-member election like for President. Either you form a coalition now, or you don't, but you can't say, "well let's see how people are voting in the General Election and then decide!" That's not simulating a REAL election. It's pure nonsense.))
((Presidential elections in Chile are two-round systems, where all the candidates are put forward in the first round and if none achieve an absolute majority, a second round is held with the two frontrunning candidates only. That is the real-life equivalent of SOTA's forming coalitions and withdrawing candidates during elections, since we only do one round instead of doing a runoff as well, which is what the Chilean standard is. It holds up, since the only other time a coalition was formed mid-election was in 1871, when neither Zepeda nor Carnal could claim an absolute majority so Cortez withdrew and all his votes were recast. Obviously we'll never simulate a perfect election, but what we have now isn't unrealistic.))
((Actually, that system only came about after 1989. Before then, a candidate with a plurality just needed to be confirmed by the congreso.))
((Regardless, we're doing what TH wants us to do. If you have a problem, vote to make a constitutional amendment making it a plurality vote...))
Señor Zepeda. I am not being cynical. Deceitfully or anything else. I merely have stated that the liberals should not enter into a coalition before the election so as to retain our independence. I worked with republicans and señor severino in the current government and found them constructive to work with. This is all I am saying. I have nothing to hide and am free to say who I personally agree or don't agree with.
Presidente Andonie
((I see no reason why people can't wait till even after the election. It happens in real life. Most coalitions in Ireland or new Zealand where parties form a coalition after the election.))
Presidente Andonie
((I see no reason why people can't wait till even after the election. It happens in real life. Most coalitions in Ireland or new Zealand where parties form a coalition after the election.))
((This is Chile though, not Ireland or New Zealand.
Not to argue your point or anything, just saying because frankly I hate it when people say "well in X they do Y..." when we're not in X.))
Not to argue your point or anything, just saying because frankly I hate it when people say "well in X they do Y..." when we're not in X.))