Shadow of the Andes - An Interactive Chilean AAR

Although I only advocated for the innocence of only one of the imperialists, (and abstained a vote I wasn't sure about) I don't want to force anyone into my views. I'm the de-facto leader of the radical libertarian/anarchistic faction within the Liberal party (being the most liberal politician of the most liberal party in Chile) and I don't want you to think I want to turn the world against you, Mr Roseno. I just want you to know that I honestly believe that supporting a second coup and taking part of it, after dismissing a first one AND taking part of it at it's early stages is the most dishonorable thing ever. I really fear for our democracy with men like this, but this is not the end of their treachery! These men then defected to the revolters when the boat was sinking and thus saved their political careers and now want to go out free? I find myself puzzled as to what to think. The defectors have a difficult situation, in a trial they can argue that they worked to destroy the coup fron within, and the attorney can claim they are only doing so to save their careers (and lives). And thus it is why I abstained in one case (and should have abstained in Roseno's case too, which I will do now).

So I abstain in Roseno's cause. Sorry for the inconvinience, TH.

Now Mr. Roseno, to your question:

I believe removal of voting rights for 10 years is the kindest punishment I would propose. Only for special cases, but I believe executions to those who represent a danger to the lives of other people (like the emperor, who would attempt to destroy this government to restore his empire if we let him go free) are the only solution, but a sad one as well.

I believe imprisionment for life or removal of all lands and prohibition to hold office are the other options. Thus, the men would allow to keep their lives as they no longer represent a danger to our society but deserve a punishment.

Finally I believe all imperial titles should be abolished, with no exception. Not only the guilty people, but also those who earned them without conspirating should lose them as well.

((I see my son has even taken up my signature..well...signature! My legacy continues!))

((BTW I suggest the imperialists to create new characters and make them socialist or liberal/conservative. Let's forget the monarchy-democracy issue, it is too XVIII centurish. Let's do this more cold war-ish))

((Well, some might still campaign on the imperial legacy, but I most likely intend to RP a new socialist character, instead of another Roseno.))

(( I would love to play a Jacobin, but Anarcho-Liberals in-game have a set of policies that don't really reflect the principles of unitary government, state terror, and state control of grain prices that make them such interesting villains to play as. So I'm debating between taking the mantle of the second Roseno prince and taking over the Nacionalist/Tradicionalist niche for Rosenoism/a bonapartist party in Chile, or making Che to Cesar's Castro as we work so well together.

Also, they aren't actually able to take away voting rights for a player for 10 in-game years, right TH? If so we should have been able to actually catch some of the Republicanos and cease their agitations. I'm pretty sure by the rules, regardless of whether they pardon, imprison, exile, or execute my character I can always; in another character if necessary; vote and run again in 1886 - right?

))

King50000 said:

((Well, they have a link to a summary Gloa was making, but I'm not sure how far it has been updated too.
I don't want to get in trouble for recruiting though, so lets get back on track!))

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((It's updated up to the primaries of the most recent election, so it should trim down the amount of pages needed to be read by quite a bit.

It would be nice if we had some kind of updating summary here too [I'm too busy to update summaries for two sometimes really complex and exciting AAR's, so don't look at me], maybe related to the character list some people were suggesting a few pages back. ))

I would like to know what my fate should be by those who find me guilt for crimes against the Republic, as well as what those crimes are.

-Sebastian Roseno

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Speaking candidly as one man to another, I would find you to be an accessory to treason, with mitigating circumstances. There are hardly any leaders in the military branches particularly who are completely stainless in terms of the hunting of Chilean patriots (and destroying and confiscating property, endangering or making life difficult for their supply routes, etc.).

As the son of the proclaimed "emperor", you will understand that those who still support the empire would be perhaps encouraged to take rebellious actions in "support" of you, whether you like it or not, if your rank or titles are maintained. I am fairly certain that, whatever the final set of sentences is, those will be clearly voided in the proceedings. Aside from that, it is never easy to determine what fates will be given to those tried for such crimes, as I personally know.

thekinguter said:

Finally I believe all imperial titles should be abolished, with no exception. Not only the guilty people, but also those who earned them without conspirating should lose them as well.

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By the way, did the so called Imperial Honors act get carried out by the former administration? I heard rumors of it, but no news ever came to me about its fate ((or, OOC, I just forgot what happened to it )).

((How many brigades do we presently have? I'm still working through my appointments, and I need to see how many troops we have, and how they will be divided))

Imperial Honors Act?

((Since no one is there to make the task, I'm just going to start creating the list myself. Let me know if I'm missing either someone or any information about them

Note: the characters are organized by time they were introduced to this AAR, and are also organized by Player(in alphabetical order)))

This is a preliminary list and more accurate information will be displayed here as soon as I can.

List of Characters (organized by players)

AtomicSoda:
Francisco Rivera - Senator of Santiago City

CaveBear3000:
Angelo Araya - Romanticist Author/Poet, Social Philosopher, Revivalist politician

Devotist:
Alvarez Ana - Senator of Antofagasta

Dyranum:
Jorge Santandera - Former Minister of War under Pres. Roseno(before the coup); died in the Congreso Nacional building in the 1856 Coup

Gloa:
Gabriel Alvarez - Admiral of the Free Chilean Navy; Participated in the 1846 Coup, but was aquitted

HoI2Geek:
Emilio Hernández de Caviezel - Senator (later Governor) of Bío-Bío Province, Founder of the Monárquistas, Minister of Foreign Affairs under PM Disraeli; Commited suicide in 1863
Alejandro García - Governor of Bío-Bío Province; Assassinated in 1853 (some say on Emilio de Caviezel's orders)
Liandro de Caviezel - Son of Emilio Hernández de Caviezel; later fled to Mexico
Armin Tamzarian - Schoolteacher(later Headmaster), Mayor of Concepción, later composed Armenia's national anthem

Ivir Baggins:
Eberado de Cary - Leader of the Nacionales and Tradicionales; died in 1856
Anselmo Galante - Senator of Valparaíso City, later Agitator for the Republican cause, Currently returned to his role as Senator (Member of the Socialist Party)

King5000:
Manuel Carrera - Colonel(later General), Minister of Foreign Affairs under Pres. Badajoz(1st term); assassinated in 1861
Sebastián Roseno - Son of Cesar Roseno, General, Crown Prince of the Chilean Empire; currently on trial for treason

Komisha:
José de Vallenare - Admiral of the Imperial Chilean Armada; currently on trial for treason

MikeBoy:
José Olózaga - Businessman, Political Analyst and Writer

OConner:
Armando de Vasces - Mayor of Maipú, later agitator for the Republican cause; died in 1861
Abelardo de Vasces - Son of Armando de Vasces, Agitator for the Republican cause, currently Republican politician

Pallen:
Eduardo Romano - Senator of Los Lagos, President from 1846-1855, Head of the Imperial Treasury; currently on trial for treason

Prince of Savoy:
Braulio Silva - General

Red Cesar:
Cesar Roseno - General, Politician, Self-Proclaimed Emperor of the Chilean Empire (Cesar I); Currently on trial for treason

Riccardo93:
Antonio de Santa Rosa - Agitator for the Republican cause; currently Interim President

Rogov:
Antonio Disraeli - Prime Minister of the Chilean Empire from 1856-1863; currently on trial for treason

Rudders10:
Carlos Adonie - Senator of Santiago, later agitator for the Republican cause

Seek75:
Sebastián Carrow - General, Mrashal of the Army of Patagonia; currently on trial for treason

Tamius23:
Witold Tamiuszki - Governor of Tierra del Fuego Province, Minister of War under PM Disraeli; currently on trial for treason

TheKinguter:
Mario Zepeda - Son of Francisco Zepeda, Republican rebel, Founder of the Anarcho-Liberales

SoulStrider:
Gonzalo Fernandez Pereira - Colonel

YourWorstNightMare:
Karl Weissmüller - Former Head of Security under Pres. Roseno(later Cesar I) and PM Disraeli; died in 1863 while on board a ship en route to Austria
Augusto Weissmüller - Grandson of Karl Weissmüller, Former Head of Security

Zagoroth:
Michael Badajoz - Industrialist, President from 1836-1845; Executed in 1846 for taking part in the 1846 Coup
José Aragón - Nephew of Michael Badajoz, current Governor of O'Higgins Province, former Governor of Santiago City

(my current character, José Aragón, nephew of Badajoz, and supposedly governor of somewhere (used to be Santiago, but our new president holds that title))

You forgot some important facts.

Example: Tamiuszki was the founder of the monarchists.
Fernando (or Francisco, can't remember) Zepeda was Badajoz's right hand man and a war hero, died in the 1846 coup he led.
Jose Aragon is Zagoroth's new character
There are 25+ characters in the AAR, some people just don't post that often.

thekinguter said:

You forgot some important facts.

Example: Tamiuszki was the founder of the monarchists.

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de Caviezel was founder of the Partido Monárquico, I just took over later.

((You also forgot the fact that Carerra was a hero during the War of Independence, served as the Minister of Foreign Affairs under Badajoz's first term, stood against the first 2 coups before siding with Cesar for the 3rd, was promoted to General, then served as Pallen's Minister of War for both of his terms as President.))

thekinguter said:

I just want you to know that I honestly believe that supporting a second coup and taking part of it, after dismissing a first one AND taking part of it at it's early stages is the most dishonorable thing ever. I really fear for our democracy with men like this, but this is not the end of their treachery! These men then defected to the revolters when the boat was sinking and thus saved their political careers and now want to go out free?

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((I'm confused by this statement thekinguter. Are you confusing Sebastian with Carerra? If you read the bio I made for Sebastian, he originally stood against his father until convinced to side with it by Carerra, and he stood against the first 2 coups just like the rest of the army. And Sebastian was planning to join the Republicanos no matter what, and did so a few hours (minutes) after the rebellion started, not really joining when the boat is already sinking.))

third coup? what are you talking about? I can only remember two.

(( Your flashing forward in time to when another agitation-spawned rebel hell topples the government the same way the Republicans did, but only this time with socialists. ))

((Forgot about me, too! ))

((When the game spawned rebels without any players instigating it or siding with it, TH still made it follow like a coup, and asked for all Ministers and Generals to side with the Government or Rebels. No one sided with it, but TH still called it a coup, so I instictively call it a coup as well. The update called it the 2nd Chilean Civil War.))

((Edit: Link to it is Here.))

((Damn these mods work fast! Alright, I've made up my mind. I'll be creating my next character after I see Cesars fate, and he will be a socialist. Anyone wishing to RP the other Roseno prince or princes (If Rogov doesn't take one), form an imperial party based on Rosenoism/Bonapartism, just PM me.))