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    ((Cabinet position? No? well I guess I'll twiddle my thumbs in Rio Negro for awhile))

    Bautista: "Another year, another election. Thank fate, our citizens, and pure dumb luck for getting us past yet another bloody civil war. But, I have overstayed my welcome! I must take my leave of Santiago so that I may head for Rio Negro, where I have been elected to govern for the next 5 years. I love my nation and would do anything to serve her but 5 long years in this backwater will undoubtedly get boring... maybe before I go back to Rio Negro I could indulge myself in a little vacation, no? In fact, I'll bring along my bravest fighters and closest comrades as a token of my thanks for their service during the civil war. But where to go.... hmm...."

    Soldier #1: "Comrade, I hear Antofogasta has just opened up a new casino! It truly is a wonder to behold!"

    Bautista: "Meh... I was thinking we would just take a trek through Patagonia"

    Soldier #2: "But Bautista, the casino in Antofagosta even has a three story water slide!"

    Bautista: "Well why didn't you say so? Let's go! Pack your six-shooters though mi amigos, you never know where danger may rear its ugly head..."
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    The house was comfortable, perhaps a mansion compared to most, but modest at the heels of giants. He takes two of his men and walks up to the door, he pounds the gold handle down thrice. A worried lady calls out, "Who is it? Announce yourselves!"

    He speaks softly into the door in a comforting voice, "Friends of Revolution, with ill news my lady"

    She lets them in, the comfort of knowledge as a release, of tears mostly.

    "Could we speak to you with your children, my lady?" He asks with a bowed head

    She suppresses her sobs and composes her face, it was no time for their family to show weakness. She nods as she calls them down.

    "It must be hard to live here, what with the out lashes against the Liberales these days," he announces understandingly

    "We still have allies, friends of the family, relatives. We get by"

    The Young man and woman sit down at the table, slightly more composed than their mom, but they know the truth as well.

    "I am sorry to say that the Revolution is over, our generals have been beaten, and the council has fled. What is more, we believe your husband has been killed in the commotion, on the Argentinian border,"

    He spoke leveled, in a soft voice, his eyes understanding. The honesty he showed convinced the family of the truth, Jose Aragón was dead. Killed while crossing Argentina, it must be true

    "I wish to take your family, the largest backer of the Liberale Party, and bring them to a safe place. You must help us, and tell us where we can find them"

    The lady was glad to help, to save the Liberales would be an honor. "Of... of course. My brother and his wife live in small town 20 miles from here. He is safe there, well defended by private militia to keep him safe..."

    "He can take the militia with him when we reach him, who else?"

    "My sister lives in Antofogasta proper. She married a Conservativo, but he allows her her political views,"

    "Alright, we will send someone to her. There are the remaining Badajoz's, right?"

    "ye...yes, The older son lives outside Santiago. He has bribed the right people to remain safe, but with the Revolution dead, he must find out I suppose..."

    "Of course, we must bring him to our cause as well. You have been very helpful my lady,"

    "And there was that younger boy, I dont know..."

    "Very helpful indeed," He began to relax and took a drink of water, "There is something I have to tell you though, my lady."
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    ((Everyone who backed the coup should definetelly create new characters who backed the revolution and have them form a new guerilla resistance group, through agitation, it's been too long since we have had one. TH even gave you a name "Amarillo's" if I recall))

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    A cabal meets under a tree, as dusk paints the sky of Nantes. A rugged, simple-looking man comes forward before another, tall and lanky, with that old aristocratic look smeared across his face.
    "Monsieur, I come back with good news."
    "Please tell me it's from our contacts with the workers."
    "Indeed. They were swayed by the message your nephew spread, on the walls of unions and stages in the lower cities."
    "Good. It does feel a bit out of place that we should resort to these tactics, though."
    "As long as they serve our interest, monsieur. And that was to see how the crowd reacts to a well-placed critique."
    "A justified one. At the end of the day, we're still doing this for the good of everyone, right?"
    "Exactly."
    "Very well. You know, I used to feel like only a journalist, then as a statesman, but I never quite knew I would do something so close to... science."
    "It's unexpected for all of us, really, monsieur."
    Then came a moment of silence for both of them, under the anxious eyes of all that gathered there.
    "However, my good Alain, we should return to where we came from, every once in a while. It does good to remind happier and simpler times. And to realize you didn't lose your way."
    "You don't mean to say you're coming back to Chile, monsieur?"
    "Not in the way you imagine. Bring me the telegraph... oh, what a joy."
    With a fast-beating heart and a hint of trembling hands, Lorenzo Subercaseaux had a specific destination in mind. Far across the briny Atlantic foam, a special someone wishfully waited, watching the morning sun from the old buildings of the Aurora de Chile, in Valparaíso.

    ((One thing you cannot say about the Liberales is that we don't make an effort to contribute to literature around here ))

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    ((Would anyone mind if I went back and wrote a miniature history book about each leader of Chile, listing their pro's and con's, how they rose to power what they did, how they fell from power, and their overall influence? Yes I do have way to much time on my hands.))

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    Quote Originally Posted by cavebear3000 View Post
    ((Cabinet position? No? well I guess I'll twiddle my thumbs in Rio Negro for awhile))

    Bautista: "Another year, another election. Thank fate, our citizens, and pure dumb luck for getting us past yet another bloody civil war. But, I have overstayed my welcome! I must take my leave of Santiago so that I may head for Rio Negro, where I have been elected to govern for the next 5 years. I love my nation and would do anything to serve her but 5 long years in this backwater will undoubtedly get boring... maybe before I go back to Rio Negro I could indulge myself in a little vacation, no? In fact, I'll bring along my bravest fighters and closest comrades as a token of my thanks for their service during the civil war. But where to go.... hmm...."

    Soldier #1: "Comrade, I hear Antofogasta has just opened up a new casino! It truly is a wonder to behold!"

    Bautista: "Meh... I was thinking we would just take a trek through Patagonia"

    Soldier #2: "But Bautista, the casino in Antofagosta even has a three story water slide!"

    Bautista: "Well why didn't you say so? Let's go! Pack your six-shooters though mi amigos, you never know where danger may rear its ugly head..."
    (( I believe with most of the Communista paramilitary leaders in government, we may require another member of the party with revolutionary experience to lead the Red Guards. ))
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeroyJenkins View Post
    ((Would anyone mind if I went back and wrote a miniature history book about each leader of Chile, listing their pro's and con's, how they rose to power what they did, how they fell from power, and their overall influence? Yes I do have way to much time on my hands.))
    ((That would be really cool! And I doubt anyone would be opposed to it or would be unwilling to help you. From what I can say, Badajoz was average (really good until his coup attempt), Romano was solid (the economy stagnated though), Roseno was a tyrant (and was overall a weak leader, but a strong manipulator), I had the best presidency (moderate liberalism, great power status, military strength, peace with Brazil, forerunner to OTLA, etc.), Zepeda was in office for too short a time (ended with a weak coup, though OTLA was his brainchild, and the Common Market expanded rapidly, as did the economy), Cortez was another more mediocre leader (though he was largely hemmed in by the liberals, and his coup was poorly organized; on the plus side, a still strong economy), Andonie had a strong showing initially, but his weakness in terms of military strength, combined with a rather un-supportive base and a heavy-handed nature with rivals, made him a antagonizing figure (still that economy booms though, and the military had largely recovered by the end of his term), and Gogolow hasn't been in office long enough to really do much either way.))
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    (Badajoz was an excellent presidente, just a sucky revolutionary...)
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    ((Yay, I got an army even though my character is young and lack military background. He will probably spend more time debating Socialist doctrine with the common soldiers than actually commanding. I hope the Army of Bolivia- Peru doesn't end up fighting against another coup attempt. We have seen how terrible generals lose against small armies in the last civil war.))
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    It has been a long time since he last came to the Congresso. He's getting older and the way he lived didn't really keep him healthy, by the look of his face you'd give him 80 years. Except for his feverish eyes, which keep looking around, in a nearly paranoid way. Not that he looks like a respectable old man, with his dirty beard and clothes.

    They all betrayed our ideals and the workers' cause, all of them! *Growl* They can't be forgiven, we'll punish them.

    The closer he gets to the Congresso, the more hectic he behaves. Gogolow would be right calling him a madman now. Did an old wound get infected? Did a policeman hit him too hard? Was he crazy all along? That doesn't matter, because he thinks he's right. And sane.

    How could Renin do this, after getting my support for so many years of revolutionary struggle? How could Juarez, who owes me his election? They must have been siding with the Capital all along, to fool true socialists like me. Because I'm the only true socialist of Chile. There are traitors all over, the FNT, the CCP, all of them. But the revolution will succeed. Yes it will.

    He gets in, calls the doorman a capitalist swine, and tells the curious that yes, he did gain some weight, and that he thinks he deserved to be fed, at his age and after all these fights. He doesn't want to speak to nobody, you better leave him alone.

    I'm the true carrier of the hopes of the people. I'm one of the founding fathers of the FNT - before it became bourgeois and capitalistic - and of the CCP. And I refuse to see the CCP become bourgeois; over my dead body. And over theirs, too. My name shall be praised through the ages as the one who launched the greatest Revolution ever. There you go, here you are Gogolow. Let's settle accounts.

    YOU MUST DIE FOR THE GREATER GOOD, LA REVOLUCIÓN O LA MUERTE! LIBERT...


    Maybe shouting this before killing Gogolow was a bad idea. Or maybe was it a bad idea all along.

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    "I accept Gogolow's appointment of myself as Minister of Defence. I will carry out my role to the best of my ability, and I want to be able to see a modern army by the time my tenure ends. I do wonder, however, why our army is so big. What exactly do we do with it all, anyway?"

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    This current division of the army was made from the bottom up, tearing down the old formations and building it all anew. The main thought behind it is to provide a strong defence for both internal and external enemies of Chile. As it is right now, no coup attempt will be able to achieve sufficiently broad support among the military in order to succeed. Additionally, all of those who I have appointed to the cabinet I trust value Chile and will not even think about betraying the people, further undermining a military coup attempt.
    So, to say it in a laconic manner: this organisation of the military provides us with capable commanders whilst also undermining the possibility of a violent and unconstitutional seizure of power.

    - FNT Chairman and President of Chile Sérgio Gogołów

    ((And then there's the fact that the FNT is pretty much pacifist, even further undermining a possible coup attempt (if it comes in from the left side). ))
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    "That does not answer my question. You talk about why it was divided in that manner. However, I cannot fathom a situation in which we would need half a million soldiers. I asked why we needed so many soldiers."

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    ((What lands does Chile own currently?))
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    ((Here's the latest map update:

    Bear in mind that doesn't take into account the land we reclaimed/stole off Argentina. And yes, the US does look like a tapeworm.))
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    ((Wow, Chile is trully a great nation, ))
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    Lima, Peru

    Ernesto walked slowly towards the home of his ancestors, Torre Tagle Palace, taking in its beauty. Waiting outside the Palace gates was a man in a Peruvian uniform.

    "Greetings Colonel Amaru, I take it I can visit my ancestors home?"

    "Yes Senor Fuentes, the Peruvian government is happy to let you visit it, and they also hint at offering it back to you for a sum of money."

    "And how much would that be Colonel?"

    "£8000"

    "That much!?!? Hmm, I must have time to consider it, while I am in LIma, will I be able to stay here?"

    "Yes Senor Fuentes, follow me inside"

    With that, Colonel Amaru ordered the guards to open the gates, he then entered through, Ernesto followed behind him.

    ((So, my character is visiting Peru for a bit))
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    Gogołów 1887-1888: Chile Under Socialism

    Chile might have weathered Andonie's coup, but not without consequence. Much of the industry in Potosi and Arequipa, which had been under Andonie's rule for a year, had been destroyed by the terrible fighting that had stretched from Santiago to Puno. Sérgio Gogołów, now officially the President of the Chilean Republic, was tasked with overseeing the reconstructive process. In addition, Gogołów prioritized the reconstruction of the shattered and disorganized Chilean military, sending the conscripts home, demobilizing the militias that had fought for Chile throughout the Civil War and mopping up those last few elements of radical resistance that threatened the country. The result of Gogołów's reconstruction program was the largest military build-up in Chilean history. Severiano Miramontes, the newly appointed and the first Minister of Defense, was shocked by the numbers that Gogołów had requested, stating publicly that "I cannot fathom a situation in which we would need half a million soldiers." Indeed, the number was comparable to the entire mobilized forces of the distant US in wartime (which was then fighting yet another war with the Confederacy.) However, Miramontes eventually relented to Gogołów and Eduardo Alvarez's compromise and began to raise the necessary brigades. By September 1888, the size of the standing army of Chile had grown to roughly 300,000, and Miramontes estimated that the necessary half-million troops would be achieved by the end of 1889, an army large enough to give pause to even the most belligerent great world powers.

    Paying for the reconstructive effort proved easier than originally thought. Though many doubted that the government could foot the bill without resorting to a radical tax increase, the introduction of new financial instruments and regulation of stock trading under Mendoza's trading, along with more aggressive pursuit of tax evaders, actually led to an upswing in revenue that offset the greater cost of the military expansion without necessitating a tax rise. Garcia, the minister of Trade and Cooperation, was actually able to secure additional funding for subsidized expansion of factories in high-unemployment Tucuman in addition to the buildup. Bevan, however, in the ministry of foreign affairs was not nearly as successful. Though the Ministry of State was finally able to drive British and French influences off the continent once and for all, they made no progress in either Mexico or Central America. Both spheres were jealously defended by the USA in the first case and the CSA in the later, and the Chilean dream of a united economic sphere south of the Rio Grande would remain just that: a dream.

    The Communists, despite socialism in power, would also make gains during the Gogołów term. Portraying the incumbent President's policies as too tame, the Communists formulated what they called the "doctrine of mass action," essentially a new philosophy for the red guard to follow. Despite this eerie boost to their hard power, the Comunistas remained silent and their militias equally dormant.

    Chile's Congreso was spared any lengthy trials by the escape of Andonie's senior cabinet, and subsequent deaths of many, and De Vasces' suicide. However, this was not to say that they were not busy. Despite repeated pleas from the Senate and the President, the lower chamber continued to staunchly refused any suggestions of the social reform that the socialists advocated, writing off the plans for safety regulation or minimum wage as too radical for the traditional laissez-faire policies of the country. Despite the lower house's obstructionist attitude, one cause did finally advance itself: that of woman's suffrage. The new socialist government, espousing equality, proposed to both houses several times the idea of equal suffrage for men and women. After clearing the lower house in winter, 1888, the bill made it to the upper house in September.

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    Half of our society are women. If a half of our society isn't involved in the democratic process of the republic, then what kind of democracy is this?

    Women Suffrage: Yes

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    Women's Suffrage: Yes

    "We Comunista's must fight oppression in every way. If we should allow one group to remain oppressed, or allow the state one power retsricting liberty, then we may as well end our fight all together. Oppression anywhere is a threat to liberty everywhere!"
    - Ferran Martí, Senador por Santiago

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