Interested in making a mod centered on the Roman era.

**ANO1453** · 11-09-2011 22:11

Originally Posted by Micro

There should be lest two subsets of Germanic Paganism: Continental Germanic Paganism and Norse Paganism.
The third one Anglo-Saxon Paganism does not exist before 5th century when Angles and Saxons migrate to the eastern shores of England.

Thank you!

OK, I did my best to put the Gaullic tribes in here. There is not much info, so I went with what I could find - first century BC

Code:

1. Osismi            11. Parisii
2. Redones             12. Bellovaci
3. Lexovii          13. Remi
4. Caleti              14. Aduatuci
5. Ambiani                 15. Pictones
6. Morini             16. Bituriges-Cubi
7. Menapi           17. Haedui
8. Eburones             18. Lingones
9. Veneti        19. Senones
10. Aulerci         20. Leuci
-------------------------------
21. Treveri            31. Volcae
22. Triboci             32. Vocontii
23. Santones         33. Salluvi
24. Lemovices              34. Allobroges
25. Arverni                35. Helvetii
26. Helvii            36. Tarbelli
27. Sequani           37. Ausci
28. Bituriges-Vivisci             #38. Tectosagi
29. Pretocorii       39. Cubi
30. Cardurci        40. Taurini

Sources:
http://larocheusa.org/Gallia-Tribes-Towns.GIF
http://indoeuro.bizland.com/project/chron/gaul.gif
http://fanaticus.org/discussion/show...wiki/Bituriges
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redones
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcae » Tectosagii sept of Volcae

On cultures:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Peuples_gaulois.jpg

For future reference:

**Micro** · 14-09-2011 03:40

I have tried to do the major Germanic tribes, and has come up with this, around 50BC. I can not find map sources earlier than that but I think it shows a pretty good picture of the tribes.

Another note, we should have a bookmarks for around 50AD and 250AD. At these times, tribes has been migrating and merged to form new bigger tribes eg. Saxons and Suebi. I will try to do a map for these later periods.

germania_50BC.png

The tribes are as follows in cultural groups:

North Germanic:
1 Sitones, 2 Suiones, 3 Goths, 4 Heruli, 5 Cimbri, 6 Teutones, 7 Anglii

North Sea Germanic:
8 Auiones, 9 Chauci, 10 Ansivari, 11 Frisii, 12 Chamavi, 13 Angrivari, 14 Batavi

Weser-Rhine Germanic:
15 Usipeti, 16 Sigambri, 17 Bructeri, 18 Cherusci, 19 Marsi, 20 Tencteri, 21 Chatti, 22 Mattiaci, 23 Nemeti, 24 Naristi

Elbe Germanic
25 Varini, 28 Longobardi, 29 Semnoni, 31 Angili, 32 Hermunduri, 33 Marcomanni, 34 Quadi

Oder Germanic:
26 Nuithones, 27 Rugii, 30 Lemovii

Vistula Germanic:
35 Gothones

Przeworsker Germanic:
36 Burgundiones, 37 Lugi, 38 Buri

Sources:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanic_peoples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...utoburg_Forest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Roman_Empire_125.png

**ANO1453** · 14-09-2011 10:28

Originally Posted by Micro

Another note, we should have a bookmarks for around 50AD and 250AD. At these times, tribes has been migrating and merged to form new bigger tribes eg. Saxons and Suebi. I will try to do a map for these later periods.

When I was checking for the Iberian tribes, one thing I noticed was that Lusitani grew a lot (they ended up with the more than the triple of their original provinces) because other tribes joined with them to fight the Romans. So I was thinking of making a sort of Defender/Leader of the [culture group here] which would get increased chances of cores, CtA when one of another culture group attacks a neighbour of same culture group and things like that, but I'm not sure how to do it exaclty.

**ANO1453** · 14-09-2011 17:20

1- Gaels
2- Caledonii
3- Taexali
4- Damnonii
5- Brigantes
6- Ordovices
7- Silures
8- Cornovii
9- Coritavi
10- Dobunni
11- Catuvellauni
12- Iceni
13- Trinovantes
14- Cantiaci
15- Durotriges (or Belgae)
16- Dumnonii
note: There are references to a kingdom of Orkney, but that's it. No tribe names, nor invaders before the Picts...

Sources:

Areas mapped so far: http://i.imgur.com/YIyz4.png

**Micro** · 16-09-2011 18:32

Originally Posted by ANO1453

1- Gaels
2- Caledonii
3- Taexali
4- Damnonii
5- Brigantes
6- Ordovices
7- Silures
8- Cornovii
9- Coritavi
10- Dobunni
11- Catuvellauni
12- Iceni
13- Trinovantes
14- Cantiaci
15- Durotriges (or Belgae)
16- Dumnonii
note: There are references to a kingdom of Orkney, but that's it. No tribe names, nor invaders before the Picts...

Sources:

Areas mapped so far: http://i.imgur.com/YIyz4.png

I think we should divide Gaels into smaller tribes. According to your reference at least 8 tribe groups are known in 125 AD. At least we could divide it into the two halfs.

Also, I have a small change to the map of scotland and england moving one tribe, expanding two tribes and adding a new tribe:

PGoiB.png

New tribe:
17 Otadini

**ANO1453** · 16-09-2011 18:39

Originally Posted by Micro

I think we should divide Gaels into smaller tribes. According to your reference at least 8 tribe groups are known in 125 AD. At least we could divide it into the two halfs.

Yes, I had that doubt. The island ended up being split between two sons after the Gael invasion.

Also, I have a small change to the map of scotland and england moving one tribe, expanding two tribes and adding a new tribe:

Attachment 40030

New tribe:
17 Otadini

I can't see your attachment.

**Micro** · 16-09-2011 18:42

I have just edited my post... the picture should be there now.

**ANO1453** · 16-09-2011 18:55

Originally Posted by Micro

I have just edited my post... the picture should be there now.

Thank you.

How do you think Ireland should be divided? The Gaels do seem to be dominant in the 2nd to 1st century BC, do we make a Heremon's and a Eber's? :/

**Micro** · 16-09-2011 19:31

How do you think Ireland should be divided? The Gaels do seem to be dominant in the 2nd to 1st century BC, do we make a Heremon's and a Eber's? :/

Well... there were some tribes, but I dont know how the two parts of ireland worked. I have not read about it... yet. Did the halfs work like a country og just like a band of tribes? Did they have one leader or king?

**ANO1453** · 16-09-2011 19:43

Originally Posted by Micro

Well... there were some tribes, but I dont know how the two parts of ireland worked. I have not read about it... yet. Did the halfs work like a country og just like a band of tribes? Did they have one leader or king?

First proposal: «The fourth division, that is, the division of the children of Míleadh. It is the opinion of some antiquaries that it is thus Ireland was divided between Eibhear and Eireamhón:—all that is from Athcliath and from Gaillimh southwards, and Eisgir riadha for a boundary between them, to Eibhear; and what there is from that northwards to Eireamhón.»
Second proposal: «However, this is not the division which was made between them, as we shall prove hereafter; but it is thus they divided Ireland:— the two provinces of Munster to Eibhear; the province of Connacht and the province of Leinster to Eireamhón; and the province of Ulster to Eibhear, son of Ir, i.e. their brothers's son: and a party of the nobles who had come with them, in the company of each one of them in his own division of the country.»http://www.ucc.ie/celt/published/T100054/text012.html
By this text I'm lead to think it were somewhat organised kingdoms, each piece of land with it's own leader.

EDIT: I'm no expert in Irish History, I'm learning as I move along too

**Micro** · 17-09-2011 16:46

What time is that text describing? No time is given in the text...

I dont know... I think it will be funnier to play with individuel tribes in ireland. Beginning with 3-4 tribes in 200 BC and later other tribes can pop up. Also, have descisions to form one of the two halfs of ireland depending on which tribe you started with. Bookmarks can be used to decide which tribes are available depending on the time of the bookmark.

**Scocou** · 25-09-2011 06:16

Hi fellows;
I scanned some maps for a fellow in another thread, and I added some that may be of interest to you, since it seems you are progressing with your mod. They are Armenian cultural spread, frontiers, etc. from proto-Armenian Urartu, up to well outside your timeline. They include many other cultures, civilizations etc. throughout the area and Asia Minor. You will get a good idea where Armenian culture arose from and how it changed over time. That way you can make an educated guess about what EUIII provinces would be suitable for their culture. I also added a few genealogical tables that may be useful to cull ruler names and dynasties from. Sorry, I was a bit lazy and didn't crop/re-size them, but since they're for reference, not presentation, it shouldn't matter much. A few don't have dates but the image sequence is chronological, hence you are safe to extrapolate. Enjoy! Link -> http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?597r8fxv41wnp4f

**ANO1453** · 05-10-2011 20:25

Originally Posted by Micro

What time is that text describing? No time is given in the text...

The link I followed pointed to 2nd century BC to 1st century BC

I dont know... I think it will be funnier to play with individuel tribes in ireland. Beginning with 3-4 tribes in 200 BC and later other tribes can pop up. Also, have descisions to form one of the two halfs of ireland depending on which tribe you started with. Bookmarks can be used to decide which tribes are available depending on the time of the bookmark.

I fully agree. I tried to make a division using the second one, and it came up rather unbalanced. We can use that anyway and just make everyone allied with everyone at start. That should prove a nice challenge

Or make some sort of events that balances things.

Hi fellows;
I scanned some maps for a fellow in another thread, and I added some that may be of interest to you, since it seems you are progressing with your mod. They are Armenian cultural spread, frontiers, etc. from proto-Armenian Urartu, up to well outside your timeline. They include many other cultures, civilizations etc. throughout the area and Asia Minor. You will get a good idea where Armenian culture arose from and how it changed over time. That way you can make an educated guess about what EUIII provinces would be suitable for their culture. I also added a few genealogical tables that may be useful to cull ruler names and dynasties from. Sorry, I was a bit lazy and didn't crop/re-size them, but since they're for reference, not presentation, it shouldn't matter much. A few don't have dates but the image sequence is chronological, hence you are safe to extrapolate. Enjoy! Link -> http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?597r8fxv41wnp4f

Thank you!
I'll try to work on that as soon as possible.

**Chuffy Manthrob** · 05-10-2011 21:11

Have a look at the TW mods Europa Barbarorum I/II

They have a lot of info about the areas you're concerned you don't have much info on.

http://www.europabarbarorum.com/
http://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumd...-Barbarorum-II

**ANO1453** · 09-10-2011 18:20

Rome
1. Ligurians
2. Statielli
3. Friniates
4. Insubres
5. Cenomani
6. Veneti
7. Boii
8. Syracuse
9. Nikaia (or Massilia)

Note: Added Taurini to map of Gaul
Sources:

**ANO1453** · 09-10-2011 18:50

1. Carthage
2. Massylii
3. Masaesyli
4. Tuareg tribes
5. Mauretania (kingdom)
6. Guanches

Sources (in addition to Rome ones):

**jjja494** · 09-10-2011 20:34

Don't know if you guys are interested in ever adding more provinces, but if you do, Carthage should probably get at least one more province, and Sicily at least one more. I'm interested in seeing how this mod turns out. Best of luck.

**ANO1453** · 09-10-2011 22:04

1. Egypt
2. Kush
3. Blemmyes
4. D'mt or Damot
5. Qataban
6. Saaba
7. Nabatea
8. Ma'in
9. Gerrha
10. Mazun
11. Hadramaut
12. Palmyra
13. Scinites
14. Bedouins

Notes: Kush: Iron and Gold important commodities
A union here is plausible: Aksum

Sources:

**Supeerme** · 09-10-2011 23:59

I don't know if you all already discussed it but would it be possible to have the HRE for the Greek city states?

**ANO1453** · 11-10-2011 21:59

I'm already envisioning a strategy to play Egypt as I look to the map above. War vs Kush, followed by Blemmyes and D'mot. Then just pass to the Arabian Peninsula. After that is consolidate, move against Carthage and then move East. If you start as Kush, ally with 3 and 4, colonise a bit and be lucky

Originally Posted by Supeerme

I don't know if you all already discussed it but would it be possible to have the HRE for the Greek city states?

I was thinking we'd need several HRE's, but none would be in Greece. That was almost all Macedonia-ruled, I think.

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