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Maybe you should consider changing the house rules what the US is concerned? Seeing how the AI fucked up the USA.



I must say that this is the most entertaining HOI3 AAR I ve seen of all the AARs so far, even with the "house rules" that prevent certain gamey tactics.
 
Like somebody else mentioned, AI US is crap in the sense that it leaves severe gaps. For instanse, it was so low in cavalry that you needed 1 more level of cavalry to even START research Motorized. In light armor, one of the sectiones was so low it needed two levels before they could even START research medium armor. I think one of the infantry sections was 1918 lvl. So yes - it takes some time to get US land forces operational - and years before you can build any desent medium armor divisions with motorized.Also, they had like 5 or 6 carriers in the buidling queue but they were at least 6 months away if not more.
Jesus.

Probably the AI was spending the leadership spying Mongolia and Uruguay, and other 'interesting' places o_O
USA player earlier - I kind of like US being so crappy to start with. See no point of changing rules there. I like the idea of USA turn auto-Allies if certain areas are taken. I'll take it up with the group.
I got to agree with this. The USA coming to the Allies shouldn't be the end of all. It makes sense that it does not become player controlled until France falls, and starts up slow. It is now an interesting challenge, can the USA help GB cause enough trouble to prevent the fall of the SU? America will be very strong in a year or two, but the Allies do not have those years! In a year or two Germany can also be nearly invincible!
 
Like somebody else mentioned, AI US is crap in the sense that it leaves severe gaps. For instanse, it was so low in cavalry that you needed 1 more level of cavalry to even START research Motorized. In light armor, one of the sectiones was so low it needed two levels before they could even START research medium armor. I think one of the infantry sections was 1918 lvl.
I wonder whether this is part of HOI's own confusion about what kind of game it is. The infantry tech is illustrative: the US historically didn't develop its machine guns much past end-WW1 tech. The BAR was WW1 vintage, as were the HMGs (Ma Deuce was a late Great War AT weapon and the .30cal M1917 was similar vintage). The MMG was a 1919 model, so not even 1920... Their light mortars were a 1935 design. And yet they managed to produce PAR and MAR. Possibly the techs are set to 'historical' levels and the AI does as they did in reality, even though that imposes restrictions that weren't present in history...
 
The USA is a strange beast, lots of everything except manpower.

The research disaster can be lessened by letting an allied plyer fill up the research queue at start of game and again januar 1st '40.
 
Russian player from this game here. Thought I'd add my perspective on things at this stage.

Someone mentioned Russian transports. I'll admit that I haven't been building and researching heavy in the naval area. I might even admit without spoiling to much of the action, that that area haven't been my focus at all. Naturally. Russias fate is decided on land. I did however positioned Russias existing fleet at strategic points.

At the Asian fron I left just a garrison in Vladivostock, leaving almost all my coastal provinces empty. The risk of getting cut off is just too big here.

My plan for Russia was a long term build. Thus motivating the annexation of Rumania. The early war entry was not as selfinfliceted as it might seem. As CptEasy pointed out, at the time, it was the only reasonable thing to do. From the very start I had my focus on infantery research, but as soon as I met German troops I understood that I was still miles away from a match. They are superior in tech, doctrines and leaders and there was no way I could continue my westward push. And don't get me started on the armor... I had to prioritise my infantery, so my armor is even further behind.

So at the moment I'm waiting for the inevitable turn of tides when the German war machine turns east. My number one priority is of course not to be cut off, isolated and eliminated. At every (German) front province I've got at least a token defender in the province behind to protect myself from breakthrough and paradrops. I'm also well aware of the risk my streatched Rumanian front poses when it comes to isolation. But sometimes being aware and prepared isn't enough...

Thanks for the update!
And good luck for the coming round.

Could you maybe take somescreenshots and add them to the thread later - when OPSEC is not important anymore?!
(Or give them to Captain Easy forlatter adding...)

The Eastern front is really goingto be interesting!
 
I disagree with anyone who thinks that the USA should receive any sort of help. Listen, in mp games, the allies decide whether they want a good USA, thereby neglecting the playing of france and leaving it to its fate (many mp games), or, they simply try to play france, and should be punished by a poorly organized USA. any buffs to the USA while there is a France player simply suggests an unfair buff to the allied cause.
 
nightrider,
in our MP game we usually put player on France and USA. That gives some hardcore for Germany, but still Germany prevails over France every time.
It also balances game the way that we need much less rules to balance Axis out. And Germany anyway should be played by very experienced player (2 most of time).
 
I can write a long essay about this, because that's sth I've been pondering on recently. The inspiration came from some boardgames and the game Military History Commander - Europe At War.

Plz don't write a long essay about it, Cybe, as we would like to keep the victory conditions quite simple - but we are open to make them a little more complicated to create incentment for:

1. Axis to play on even if they lost the offensive initiative
2. To create an incentment for Allies and Commies to have different agendas

If you (or any other) can give us some inspiration without making it too lengthy I'd appreciate it.


So... when can we get the next update? :p I cannot wait ;)

Later today.
 
Plz don't write a long essay about it, Cybe, as we would like to keep the victory conditions quite simple - but we are open to make them a little more complicated to create incentment for:

1. Axis to play on even if they lost the offensive initiative
2. To create an incentment for Allies and Commies to have different agendas

If you (or any other) can give us some inspiration without making it too lengthy I'd appreciate it.
I'm not sure how you count victory currently. If it's a given that the Comintern/Allies bloc working together will always grind the Axis bloc out of the game (which it sorta orta be), you could 'score' the Axis before the end of the game: record their 'greatest extent', and later compare it with the other two at whatever 'end point' you choose in advance. That way, the Axis have an incentive to slow down the 'inexorable' advance of the foe, even once the tide turns, and the anti-Axis have an incentive to slow the Axis expansion.

It might even work to score each bloc at the end of each year and have an aggregate total that would generally grow quickly for the Axis initially, slower for the anti-Axis, but their growth would be faster later. Using VPs in this way also puts a bit of value on getting 'minors' into your bloc, since their VPs count for you, though they obviously become vulnerable to 'sideshow' conquest later, where perhaps they wouldn't have been if they'd stayed neutral. It also needs to be balanced to the game, and I've a sneaky suspicion that the game's not balanced in the first place, so 'Victory' is a largely subjective state anyway :)
 
Could you maybe take somescreenshots and add them to the thread later - when OPSEC is not important anymore?!
(Or give them to Captain Easy forlatter adding...)

The Eastern front is really goingto be interesting!

I'm afraid I have to dissapoint you when it comes to screen shots. I seem to lack the multitasking ability to focus on the strategic tasks at hand and at the same time compose and take screenshots. Plus I had some kind of issue last round with screen shots not showing up in the scrren shot folder.

The front is indeed interesting, but I expect the reports from that will be covered in fog of war. I'll try to insert a written observation or two along the way.
 
Royal Carnage

Chapter XII - Yet Another War in Europe











Human Players: Germany, Italy, Japan, UK, USA, Soviet










Recap: France has just fallen after a long and glorious struggle (9 months) and with the French army gone, Germany get an entire army group freed to deploy elsewhere. The question is where. There are no lack of theatres...













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June 14th-18th, 1940

Still, while awaiting the German onslaught, there are things to do. British maritime surveillance had realized how weak the defense of the main Greek cities was. Italy had apparently not strengthened their Greek puppet as they had done with the Turks.

A three division strong force landed outside Athens. Initially, they were attacked by the Athens garrison, but the Greeks soon realize how futile that attack was and aborted it. The Brits immediately attacked the already shaken militias. A forth division landed north of Athens to make sure no reinforcements could reinforce the militia. That sealed the garrisons fate and they gave up after a few days of fighting.

In the north, Salonica was only defended by a single brigade of regular Greek infantry. The two Royal Marine Divisions made an amphibious attack straight into the city. The Greek infantry had perfect defensive positions and lay down a murdering fire on the marines struggling at the beaches. Alas, the British elite soldiers charged with abandon, and being superior in numbers at a ratio of 6-1 made it easy to close in on the defenders. They left a trail of dead from the beaches up to the city, but once the street-fight begun, the Greeks were quickly overwhelmed and fled.

The Greek puppet government fled to Italy and a lot of Greek units fighting in Europe stayed under Italian command. However, all Greek troops being present in Greece lay down their weapons. This surely took some pressure away from Bulgaria and Soviet.












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June 21st, 1940

1.Sardinia is captured by the Americans. Two Italian divisions surrendered.

2.French Northern Africa is under Vichy command.

3.There have been no fighting whatsoever in Northern Africa between the Allies and Italy. It seems neither has prioritized this arena.

4.Southern Italy is firmly in Allied hands (looking in color like some cowboy-boot). Both Allies and Italy are consolidating the line separating them, but no combat does actually take place. British reconnaissance has seen German troops moving by the top of the Italian boot and suspect they will reinforce the Italians.

5.The front between Italian Yugoslavia and British Greece is more or less unmanned. Neither side seems yet to have forces to put here. Future will tell which side will be able to use this power-vacuum.












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June 26th – July 3rd, 1940

During a landing operation in Turkey to aid the Red Army, the Royal Navy ran into a lightly escorted Italian transport fleet. They did not seem to have much ammunition on board and the survived the first battle simply due to the blackness of the night. The Royal Navy continued to search for them and sank ship after ship. At the Dodecanese, the majority of the transport fleet was sunk. It is believed that the entire fleet was sunk, including some six or seven transport ships in total.

After losing the transport ships, as well as a huge chunk of the war fleet, any maritime intervention or amphibious attack from the Italian side is very unlikely. The Med is slipping more and more into Allied hands.

The Italians have had lack of supplies in several battles, both on land and sea, the latest weeks. It seems they have some problems supplying their troops. Either they are out on convoys or the brief siege of Rome gave some ripple effect on their supply system.












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July 17th, 1940

With the help of the Allies, the Red Army finally broke the Turkish resistance, captured their main knot of decision-makers and annexed the entire country. Some pieces of the land were given to United Kingdom to mark the value of their aid.

Some Greek troops have returned to Greece and have started a campaign against the few British defenders. This will have to be dealt with.

Most alarming however, was the German attack on neutral Hungary…












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July 21st, 1940

Joint German-Italian precision strikes against the most important cities have almost crippled the country (note the paras in the far east of Hungary). Only in Budapest, the capital, are the Hungarians managing to give the Germans a little bit of decent combat. The city is likely to fall within days, though, and with that the whole country will fall apart.

The alarming fact is that Stavka lack any back up for this kind of operation. They have no troops at the Hungarian border. IF Germany will manage to put a puppet regime in Hungary and keep the Hungarian army, Soviet Union will be in deep problems. Even without the Hungarians, the clever German attack will send ripples through the entire Russian defensive line.

Luckily, the timely fall of Turkey a few days prior to the present day mean that some Soviet troops are made available for new missions. These will immediately be sent to the Hungarian border, but it is questionable whether they will be there in time.












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July 21st, 1940

1.The Danish front: Greek troops took northern Denmark on behalf of the Italians when the Germans did not. The Danish Isles and the important sound is still in British hands (but now protected by Americans).

2.The Italian front: With a spearhead of German panzers, the fascist forces have managed to breach the Allied lines. The Allies simply don’t have anything to stop the panzers out in the open. Situation is threatening and plans are drawn on how to retreat to Sicily in an as slow manner as possible.

3.The North African Front: Everything is still peaceful in North Africa. The British leadership is starting to feel an urge to take the Italian holdings but have other plans for their present ground troops in the Med area.

4.The Greek/Yugoslavian front: Greek troops have arrived to the weakly defended British occupied Greece and have taken some lands. They are, however, to few to pose a serious threat for the time being.

5.The Soviet/Italian front: The Red Army has pushed the Italians back to the river in a satisfactory manner. They lack forces, however, to push through the rivers and this section of the front have been relatively peaceful the latest week.

6.The Hungarian front: This is a black hole in the Soviet defenses. The Hungarian still belong to the Allies but will crumble within days. If they turn Axis, Soviet Union will have huge problems. Even if they continue to fight in exile, the situation will be very dangerous.

7.The Soviet/German front: Wehrmacht has begun their expected push. The Red Army cannot hold them back and has started to retreat. They try to use the land for best possible defense but there is a lot of open land and that’s where the German leadership have deployed the majority of their panzers. It is extremely important that the Red Army can keep on retreating without getting caught in pockets.












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July 21st, 1940

1.The Mongolian Front: Japanese forces have cut deep into Mongolia and captured Ulan Bator. The Red Army is stretched thin here.

2.The Northern Japanese front: By deploying a huge number of Chinese forces, the frontline has become extremely long. The Japanese/Chinese armies have these amounts of units. The Red Army, fighting an even fiercer war in the west, don’t. This means that Stavka must shorten the line without losing units in the process.

3.The Burmese Front: Everything is still peaceful here. The Brits have a few units in the jungle but Yunnan don’t. As the Brits have no interests in widening any fronts in Asia, they have just dug-in and prepared for what’s to come.

4.The Southern Japanese Front: Japan has taken Hong Kong without battle, as well as Kuching in Indonesia and Dutch holdings. They were all abandoned by the Brits and so far they have not exchanged a single shot. The Brits have not planned to yield Singapore and it will only be a matter of time before the Japanese venture this far. High ranking officers within the Royal Navy have argued that with the Regia Marina beaten, the Royal Navy should deploy Taskforces in Asia and aid the Americans who so far are mostly losing naval battles.


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The United Kingdom has a smorgasbord of opportunities but a limited amount of ground forces. First priority is to do whatever to ease the burden of the Red Army which is buckling under the enormous pressure of mostly the Wehrmacht. The first initiative will be Operation Tito – a well thought through offensive through Italian Yugoslavia. There are two main objectives of the operation. The first will be surrounding at least the three Italian and three Greek divisions which have been spotted in southern Yugoslavia. The second will be pushing through half of Yugoslavia and secure a defensive line in the mountains. This will more or less half the Soviet border towards Yugoslavia. If these objectives are met, it is likely that Germany will have to deploy even more units in this sector to relieve the Italians – thus easing the pressure on the Red Army.

Other interesting targets will be Northern and Eastern Africa and sending naval forces to Asia.

The Allies have also made a huge long term changes in the responsibilities of the future war. As American research on armor is lagging extremely, it will take too long time for them to build the powerful tank army that will be necessary in order to seriously threat the Germans. On the other hand, their naval technology is even better than that of the Brits. United Kingdom did initially invest immensely in naval technology and doctrines which have been rewarding in the Med. However, this came at a cost and that was tank technology. This will change now. United Kingdom will from now on put a massive investment in tank production and technology. The plan is to be able to deploy two army corps of tanks which will serve as a spearhead to a massive landing in France during mid-spring 1941. Future will tell whether this will be possible.

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July, 1940

The Battleship HMS Warspite and the Light Carrier HMS Glorious are the most successful ships in the Royal Navy so far. Reporters from all around the Commonwealth are traveling to the Med to try to get onboard these two ships for interviews and photos, as most magazines, radio shows and documentary movies will pay handsomely for anything including these maritime behemoths. Like the Naval Bomber crews before them, the sailors on board these ships are now having a hero-status. The entire Royal Navy is celebrated in Britain, stealing all light from the poor infantrymen fighting so fiercely in France, Italy, Greece and Turkey.








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Very interesting. Good move against Greece. Not surprising riposte in Hungary. The Axis needs either more cannon-fooder or more resources, and it was an easy target.

Er... CptEasy, you know Italy starts with 4 battleships? Do you know where those things are? Because they are fairly powerful machines, more than a match for the WW1 relics that are most of the British BBs. You can't relax while they are still around.

I jusr reread up there the USA had 6 carriers on the way when the human player took over. Those are very good news for the Allies. Even if they are not up-to-date ships, it is still something to give Japan nightmares, and the practicals will allows the US to keep building more and more better ships at a decent speed.
 
Not surprising riposte in Hungary. The Axis needs either more cannon-fooder or more resources, and it was an easy target.

Russian player from this game here. For some reason the option for Germany to attack Hungary had totally eluded me. The grounds east of Hungary are indeed without defence at this time. I started several counter measures. I had a light tank division race from my Italian front towards the single paratrooper who landed on a Hungarian VP. My troops from Turkey are all railed towards points east of Hungary. North of Hungary I do several front adjustments not to be encicled by German forces. This of course affects my defensive positions at the German front.

It was a race against time and I prayed that the Hungarian spirit was high enough to "continue the fight".
 
To make up for the American lag in tanks, do your house rules allow you to license techs or even send expeditionary forces of tanks to the US? I'm sure you don't have them to spare at this moment, but just as a hypothetical possibility.
 
Great updates resulting in severe nail biting.

It seems the failed attempt for Rome is turning into a slow retreat towards Sicily. Not a bad outcome since it's good defensive terrain and not really anything of value except the axis can hardly afford to have enemies so close to a capital in case the allies make a dash for it.

Germany will probably sacrifice his right arm (Italy?) for a quick decisive victory over Soviet therefore I don't think an invasion of France would be quick enough to save Soviet. Last game the eastern front was more narrow and very well defended, still it broke apart fast. Perhaps the Captain shouldn't grab the arms of the Reich but its balls to make sure enough panzers turn back west.