[MEIOU:TD] v5.2-Specific Discussion Thread

**Opera** · 09-12-2011 12:02

I tried enacting the colonial hub decision and it didn't give me a core in the province. I don't know if it's related to the fact that I hadn't enough money at that time (I was only testing to see what it did).

Also, is there some kind of block against gaining cores on unlawful imperial provinces? I've conquered Masha (as Firenze) around the beginning, 1360 or so, and two hundred years later, it's still not a core.

**Malerun** · 09-12-2011 12:52

Originally Posted by Opera

Also, is there some kind of block against gaining cores on unlawful imperial provinces? I've conquered Masha (as Firenze) around the beginning, 1360 or so, and two hundred years later, it's still not a core.

Nope, just got a core on Lübeck as Denmark. HRE province owned by a member of HRE actually speeds the core process slightly up, but most likely it will still take a while, but no more than 300 years.

Some other observations from that game:
The colonize Y mission triggers for TI (Ter Sami).
The triggered modifier Colonist reinforcement gives +1 spy/year. I assume that should have been +1 colonist or is it to help with TPs?
The event to establish a TP costs a colonist, but the TP can be established without any.
I got the TP event in an undiscovered province, according to the 'What is this mod about' sticky, that shouldn't be possible.
After establiching a TP, the spy mission to get a core is 90%+ in all 3 off mine, this is probably way too high even though my prestige is high.
The 'Discover neighboring provinces' province decision only works, if selected from the ledger, not from the province.

**Mizzle** · 09-12-2011 23:40

Originally Posted by bananafishtoday

Notepad++ opens them? For me, normal Notepad always crashed when trying to open save files, so I assumed they were more than text files and just use MichaelM's editor.

They're just normal text files. Admittedly they are very large text files, and notepad doesn't seem to cope very well but it will open them if you give it a couple of minutes. Notepad++ works perfectly and opens them pretty instantly.

**Maximus_96** · 10-12-2011 02:52

Back to my question for a second. I have very little knowledge in modding and reading code. I want to edit Dauphine's status as a vassal but have no clue where to look. can anyone help?

**Sjiveru** · 10-12-2011 05:30

Search for this code:

Code:

	vassal=
	{
		first="DAU"
		second="DAU"
		start_date="(some numbers)"
	}

You can really only do a search for 'vassal=' and visually check the rest. At least, that's what it'll look like if Dauphiné is a vassal of itself. Otherwise, just look for 'second="DAU"'. When you find it, delete that whole segment (from 'vassal' to the final close bracket).

On a side note, I've found an interesting bug that's bloating savegame files - the Declaration of Indulgences decision isn't limited to Catholics, but when it's taken by a non-Catholic nation its modifier is soon removed by event; and so the AI keeps taking the decision every chance it gets. This is recorded in the history every few months, leading to savegame files that are 50mb by 1650. Non-Catholic AI histories are basically 80% 'decision = declaration_of_indulgences'.

**Maximus_96** · 10-12-2011 06:39

thank you, very helpful

**bananafishtoday** · 10-12-2011 08:14

Originally Posted by Sjiveru

On a side note, I've found an interesting bug that's bloating savegame files - the Declaration of Indulgences decision isn't limited to Catholics, but when it's taken by a non-Catholic nation its modifier is soon removed by event; and so the AI keeps taking the decision every chance it gets. This is recorded in the history every few months, leading to savegame files that are 50mb by 1650. Non-Catholic AI histories are basically 80% 'decision = declaration_of_indulgences'.

Ooo wow, good catch. My MEIOU files are like twice as large as my vanilla ones, this explains why...

I was trying to write a regular expression to find all instances of this, and just learned that Notepad++'s regex can't actually find new lines. ~_~

Code:

\s*\d*\.\d*\.\d*=\{\s*decision="declaration_of_indulgence"\s*\}

That should find it in any Java-based regex implementation though. (Obviously back up the save file first before using a find-replace to delete chucks of data from it.

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**Opera** · 10-12-2011 11:20

While I'm happy to know why my save files are so big, I fail to use this regex with Notepad++ and TextPad. With which program should I use it?

**YF-23** · 10-12-2011 12:57

Couldn't you use the Replace With function and replace all instances of "decision="declaration_of_indulgence"" with ""? Won't get rid of the newline characters, but out of 36 bytes of each instance you get rid of 35.

e: Oh wait right there's the dates too.

**bananafishtoday** · 10-12-2011 14:02

Yeah, it doesn't work with Notepad++ because apparently Notepad++ regexes can't span multiple lines.

I used this in VIM to clear it out:

Code:

:%s:\s*\d*\.\d*\.\d*=\_s*{\_s*decision="declaration_of_indulgence"\_s*}::

But it turns out this isn't what makes the same game files so big. The whole text block is like 40-60 bytes, and in a 1511 save of mine there were 2600 instances. My 39mb save file only got trimmed down 160kb by removing the text.

So this isn't what's bloating the files.

Edit: Also it's pretty funny I managed to go from not knowing Notepad++ edits EU saves to being disappointed it doesn't edit them well enough in the span of half this page.

**YF-23** · 10-12-2011 14:30

Yeah, I just erased all instances of the text enclosed in the brackets in my ~1700 game and it only reduced the size by something over 300kB. There's probably no way around 50+MB savefiles with all the stuff MEIOU adds, even when you clear away redundancy.

**Mizzle** · 10-12-2011 15:22

Also related to the declaration of indulgence, one of the DG maintenance events removes religious modifiers if you're secular. These modifiers include the declaration of indulgence and statute in restraint of appeals which make perfect sense for secular nations and can just be taken again immediately (which the AI will probably do, right?).

**Scott1964** · 10-12-2011 15:41

I get a file exception when trying to run this mod.

File exception
\disfile.ccp; line 55
could not open file

**HabemusZlatan** · 10-12-2011 15:50

May I also suggest to give Mali the "Wrath of God" modifier, and Songhai the "Blessing of God" one? Mali isn't supposed to become a massive behemoth every game, is supposed to collapse and being conquered by Songhai.

**Sjiveru** · 10-12-2011 15:58

Originally Posted by YF-23

Yeah, I just erased all instances of the text enclosed in the brackets in my ~1700 game and it only reduced the size by something over 300kB. There's probably no way around 50+MB savefiles with all the stuff MEIOU adds, even when you clear away redundancy.

Yeah, I hadn't tried deleting those, so I assumed it was the cause ^_^ Still worth fixing for next version.

**gigau** · 10-12-2011 23:19

Originally Posted by HabemusZlatan

May I also suggest to give Mali the "Wrath of God" modifier, and Songhai the "Blessing of God" one? Mali isn't supposed to become a massive behemoth every game, is supposed to collapse and being conquered by Songhai.

Could be worth a shot. At least give one of the two the adequate modifier.

***Mr. Capiatlist*** · 13-12-2011 03:32

I would strongly suggest splitting the pagan religions up into their own groups. I just got the heresy event as a pagan Lithuania and suddenly I have a province of Incan worshipers.

**Blxz** · 13-12-2011 04:01

Maybe you could pretend they are generic sun worshippers?

**Ampersand** · 13-12-2011 07:00

Make an Inti Russia AAR stat.

**YF-23** · 13-12-2011 12:25

I think it might be worth putting Baltic Paganism into the Christian group and give the Teutonic Order CBs specifically against them. It's sort of jarring to see half of Lithuania under Polish control in every game by 1360.

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