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    The BYZAAR Venetian Adventure -- AGAIN!

    After the corruption of my first attempt, I have restarted. I have re-organized my plan of attack and my start is a lot better than last time. Caution: image heavy.

    For those who did not see the first, and those who need a refresher, here is my challenge, as presented by forumite, Herbert:
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    Name of the AAR: BYZAAR!

    Start in 1399 as Venice, all standard, no lucky nations and low aggressiveness. You can set the game to hard if you want, but that is not the point, the point is fun.

    Home rules: you stay a republic, always. You can change into other forms of republics, of course. You go full naval. You don't expand beyond the goals below and what is given to you from missions. You never go red on infamy. Yellow is ok, but only when strictly necessary. You are normally allowed within the green zone.

    You should complete the following goals in the given order, but you can make small exceptions, like conquering provinces in Egypt (belongs to goal 2) in order to get the Thalassocracy (belongs to goal 1).

    1st goal: enact the Stato da Mar and Thalassocracy decisions. That's your easy "get-to-know-the-country-before-twisting-it" warm-up. Remember, have fun.

    2nd goal: form Byzanthium, of course. Which means that you have to change religion to orthodox, change primary culture to greek, and get yourself the required provinces. Oh, and kill off the pretendent guys in Costantinople. As Venice, you did it already once. This is your twisted path to your manifest destiny, have fun through it.

    3rd goal: extend to plausible borders, meaning Anatolia, Greece, Bulgaria, Egypt, and the Roman bits of the Middle East. Grab Mecca, and the south of Italy including Rome. You can get yourself a land connection to the Shatt-el-Arab and plant your flag there, if it makes you tingly inside. Get the Pentarchy modifier and enact the Theme System decision. This is when you power up and feel good, but not yet crushing all opposition with your death star.

    4th goal: then it strikes you, you are not the Empire, you are the Republic! You are the good guy! So the obvious thing to do is to colonize the North American continent, as well as Colombia and Venezuela for exclusive possession of your new pond, and move your capital there. A new beginning, a new hope. A new Rome, a new Capitol Hill. Relax and breathe, Anakin.

    5th goal: you cleared your doubts about your identity, you are finally ready to do good. So you liberate people, right? First of all you rid yourself of your european and asian holdings, releasing vassals. BUT, you have to find a way to create orthodox Greece on the greek lands. Of course orthodox Ethiopia must rule the whole of the Nile. You have to liberate Italy, too, so you can conquer-and-gift the required provinces to your vassal. You can do what you want with the asian coast, have fun.

    6th goal: since you are the Republic (and the roman republic to top it) you need to take care of your arch-enemy, the Empire! Disband the HRE and liberate it as you see artistically fit. It's done, you walked through the sixth fold path, you carved your name on the far end of the world!

    Settings:
    -Very hard
    -low aggresiveness
    -inflation on - standard
    -everything else standard too.
    -Lucky on

    So, here I go... AGAIN!
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    Here we have Venice's starting situation:



    -I go one more towards naval slider.

    -Gave Milan, Austria, Aquileia military access to at least give me an insurance against their aggression, and to raise relations:



    -Sent two merchants to Venezia to get 5 merchants in
    -I am going to stay mercantile this game, as a change of pace. I found out that merchant republics and others like to embargo merchant republics. So, after much aggravation, I realized free trade stinks for MR's

    -In my attempts to gain vassals to freely increase wealth and forcelimits without affecting my teching and stability costs. I ally Epirus, because I know Naples loves taking them early. I was too late to guarantee them, so I was forced to ally them and declare an intervention war. Ferrarra was dragged into the war. Naples+Janina is exactly 98% warscore. Perfect!




    -naval victory

    -outcome of war not so awesome for Naples
    -Naples and Ferrarra gets vassalized:


    The 8 infamy is quickly burned with my new leader...

    -new leader


    -Even newer vassals


    They have a cool flag, their lands suck, and now I don't have to defend it, AND I have to conquer fewer "overseas" provinces for Thassalocracy

    -I expand Bureaucracy
    I wait until Gov't tech 4 to obtain my first NI - which is press gangs for (-)50% ship costs! Thassalocracy (20%) + Naval (25%) + Press gangs (-50%) gives (-)95% ships costs!! Of course it does not work exactly like that, but carracks now only cost 12.9 and transports 5.4!!!


    -a cool event I got last game, and an awesome event!


    -I declare war on Libya, which brings in Algiers. I eat 4 infamy and take constantine from Algiers. This brings up holy war CB's for in 5 years! Because of my not taking too many provinces, stability cost is low. I get war taxes for a bit as well, and I can stem Castile's Africageddon for a bit.



    -I fight some pretender rebels for them =/


    -I made Libya give up one of Algiers' provinces! suckers!


    -peace deal


    -Next, I see Castile declares on Tunisia, so I must get it before them, so I declare holy war on Tunisia, which is my new next door neighbor, which brings in Morocco, and thusly, Ottomans


    -Since Castile had already one Tunisian province from earlier, I had to make do with 2 "overseas" provinces from annexing Tunisia. Luckily Ottomans were busy elsewhere and we could get a white peace:


    -Something here is a little ironic... or it will ironic in a few years hehe


    -a chance to go innovative. I'm looking forward to getting printing industry national decision


    -after 20 years, I finally get an awesome leader


    -I declare on Algiers, Ottomans join in, but Mamluks do not. Fortunately, the Ottomans were busy in Asia, so I plopped my navy in the sound and forced Ottomans to a 48% war scores and got 435 ducats from them, and them to join my league:


    -gaining Oran, I get my 4th "overseas" province and :


    It is such an awesome decision and very useful.
    YAY!

    [/COLOR]Other things I did throughout this:
    -commissioned a lot of paintings to get my master of mint, and I continued gaining cultural tradition to gain high ranking missionary advisors to sell abroad for extra cash.
    -2nd slider move to naval again
    -3rd slider move was to centralization-took stab hit
    -went production tech 4 right after gov't 4, for constable.

    I hope you guys enjoyed, and I hope to gain some readers.
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    Reading it.... AGAIN

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    Damn, Castille is making quick work of North Africa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Franconian View Post
    Reading it.... AGAIN
    YAY!
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    Damn, Castille is making quick work of North Africa.
    As always. Had to tighten my schedule a bit to deny them more lands.

    Update coming soon.
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    Will be reading this one Looking forward to you going on a conquering spree in Greece
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    Quote Originally Posted by Facit View Post
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    Will be reading this one Looking forward to you going on a conquering spree in Greece
    Well, yes, that is the plan, but the hordes are doing their conquering spree AGAIN! I have to leave the Ottoman somewhat intact for now in order to stall the hordes and at least push the Timurids out!

    Update coming tomorrow.
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    Here she blows!

    I finally get an excuse to be at war with Aquileia:


    I allied Morea, and got my CTA:


    I take some papal lands and money. For some reason, we are still at 200 relations! cool! :


    Aquileia gets vassalized:


    The war leader Achaea gets off with a few ducat donation to the republic treasury:


    Ottomans declare war. I get a lucky battles, but even a loss would not have meant anything. I won despite being against a 6-shock general without a general of my own and with a -5 terrain AND without military drill on very hard difficulty setting!


    They quickly tire of battle and dancing around:



    Meanwhile, in Ireland...Those drunk Irish! Leads to a swift vassalization of course:

    Meanwhile in Russia...Those drunk Russians! Leads to a swift annexation by revolter Smolensk (all cored):


    10 years later, I annex Aquileia, lose stability, gain core, gain new mission, all is fine:


    Meanwhile in Egypt:


    Ottomans get sacked quick and hard...like my girlfriend o_O


    Ottomans, despite a 40 warscore only allow such a measly peace deal Stupid buggers


    Meanwhile in Egypt, my vassal allies take lots of Egyptian lands despite such small armies, including the coveted Alexandria (Mamluks fighting Timmies)


    And now...


    This time the odds are in much more in my favor. The horde is also busy with a combined Poland and Lithuania. My forces are ready to conquer the entire Balkan region and I will make myself a super vassal. Ragusa revolted in Croatia as a 5 province nation (quickly gobbled up by GH). I will conquer GH one province at a time. I will make sure to leave one adjacent province next to Austria to let Austria have their way with them too

    That is it for now, I hope you enjoy. Here is a little more candy for you to ponder over.
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    my god those are a lot of ottomans
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    Scary GH for in 1418


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    Quote Originally Posted by Merrick Chance' View Post
    my god those are a lot of ottomans
    Yes, but they are weak
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    Scary GH for in 1418
    As always. Every single game I have ever played with the new horde mechanics has been like that! Must be the difficulty level
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    Following this again
    YAY!

    Update coming now...
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    And so, we now come again to the war of the hordes. These dang, blasted hordes are really starting to irk me... but Venice is off to a raging start:



    And the second national idea becomes available. I chose military drill obviously because of the hordes:



    My first battle, and first victory:



    BACKSTABBING BASTARDS, I AM GOING TO GUT THEM ONE OF THESE DAYS:



    short lived (6 months)



    After many years, I finally get a decent peace deal from the horde:



    But I did manage to steal a few province before my manpower pool went dry (for Venice, the manpower runs out VERY quickly)



    After five years, the truce was up, and the GH seemed to be in the middle of quite a terrible succession crisis:



    The Ottomans feel quite testy right now, but their day is still coming. For now we defend our honor and our allies:



    It's already been 5 years?! *Le sigh*



    This war is going a lot better, including a few revolters which I can later reabsorb for no infamy!:



    My new vassal. Montenegro will be gifted all of the poor provinces stolen from the horde:



    Ottomans cede some territory to me and some money:



    I won against the horde!! I am not really sure how... :



    Ragusa gets re-incorporated, including territory I didn't own before...all for no infamy:



    After nearly 50 years, my sexy, awesome leader dies... It will be quite a few elections before I will be a new one... and, I know I only have one advisor, this is because I only need the MoM and I want to save the other 5-6* advisers for my capitol move and culture shift:



    My next war with horde ends in loss for me, but I did manage to steal a few provinces from them:



    The hordes, just like at my borders, are causing trouble elsewhere as well. Byzantines revolt from Ottomans including Athens, so this means I can annex Rhodes, Janina and Athens again all for no infamy as well. I release Epirus:



    I finally get a decent leader. He is not a military genius, but the other two stats are great, so I will make do. Even with a 3 military, he is a 2 shock general. Good nuf.



    Here is the situation as it stands now:



    Notice, I no longer share a border with the hordes, so now I am free to expand trade, stockpile my cash reserves (the horde wars are expensive!!!!!!), move capitol soon and culture shift, and fight Ottomans. I just hope having a vassal bordering horde does not drag me in as well! (I have not played farther yet).

    thanks for reading, for those who are reading.
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    Just noticed this. Again. Subscribed. Again.

    Have you already taken the Stato da Mar decision?

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    Actually, I JUST enacted it now. One year after the last picture. It says you need 100 monthly income before you can enact it, but I had 66 when I enacted it...
    Thanks for reading again!
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    I think you have to have 100 income OR 1/3 of your income has to come from trade. Or something like that.

    Also, enjoying this AAR quite a bit. Venice is one of my favorite countries to play. What's your schedule for the new world? Last priority?

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    Looking good so far And yes, you need either 100 monthly income or 33% on total income from Trade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKNUBZ View Post
    I think you have to have 100 income OR 1/3 of your income has to come from trade. Or something like that.

    Also, enjoying this AAR quite a bit. Venice is one of my favorite countries to play. What's your schedule for the new world? Last priority?
    Hm...I thought I was at that milestone before now...but oh well.
    I am glad you are enjoying it so far. New World Greek empire is coming quite soon!

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    Looking good so far And yes, you need either 100 monthly income or 33% on total income from Trade.
    Thank you.
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    Impressive how you could beat those enormous mongol hordes. Here's hoping they have many more succession crises!

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    You are doing much better than I am in my AAR! Hopefully I'll be able to catch up in a few decades though.

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