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    How to get native culture bureaucrats in foreign colony?

    With a national focus point, I can of course raise more bureaucrats in a foreign colony with the hope of getting 1% to turn it into a state. What I see happen most often, however, is that the bureaucrats are from the native culture, and thus do not help me no matter how many I raise. Is there a form of government, or something else that I can do to help make statehood happen more rapidly?
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    Your best bet is migration. If employment conditions are bad at home, some of your poor pops will migrate to the colonies (some will be lost permanently to the americas though). Then you can convert them to bureaucrats yourself using NFs or wait for them to do so themselves if you have high literacy.

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    with the 1.3 patch, people migrate crazily. you wont have much trouble increasing your native population here and there
    furtjermore, if your people is highly literate, you dont even need to encourge bureacrats, you will have more than necessary

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    You need a primary population there to convert the more the better because if you have like 1 primary pop chances of conversion aren't as good as if you had like 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thracian View Post
    with the 1.3 patch, people migrate crazily. you wont have much trouble increasing your native population here and there
    furtjermore, if your people is highly literate, you dont even need to encourge bureacrats, you will have more than necessary
    That might be the case if your country is in Europe or Asia, but I'm guessing that the OP is referring to the case when your homelands are in the Americas and you have Old World colonies. I know I encountered the same situation in a Uruguay game where Uruguay itself was stuffed with immigrants, but not enough emigrants with Platinean culture ever made it over to my Indonesian holdings, so that none of them could become states. If this is indeed the situation the OP is talking about, is there a solution or workaround? (And if not, sorry for the hijack, OP.)
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    Anything that boosts migration and assimilation. Once you have a primary culture crat POP in place, the native crats will start assimilating to it, but actually getting that POP going is tricky.

    I just tend to take a look through my colonies every so often and put the NF on crats once I see that the primary culture crat POP plus a good 5% of other primary culture POPs is there. I have never worked out what allows that POP to get going, rather than being strangled at birth. Sooner or later some digital fluke allows it to escape the small POP murderer but why it is allowed to grow the 200th time it starts when it has been strangled the previous 199 times or the 1000th time after 999 strangles, is not something I have ever worked out.

    Colonising from the New World, I don't expect to get more than 1/3 to 1/2 of my colonies to states before 1935. The smaller the native population and the earlier the colony was established the more likely, but I would only be fairly sure of getting early colonies of sparsely populated territories into states.

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    Thanks for the replies, it seems that there isn't much that can be done directly, but that reforms and techs should help. My problem is as the Ottoman's, with states like Persia, Egypt or Tunisia: when using an NF to promote bureaucrats, I end up getting a bunch of Persian or Eyptian, etc bureaucrats.

    On a slightly unrelated question: what enables you to make political and social reforms? What determines how fast you get those options?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbasgen View Post
    On a slightly unrelated question: what enables you to make political and social reforms? What determines how fast you get those options?
    Political/social reforms are enabled by the composition of the upper house: socialists and liberals will normally back them. Conservatives' support for reforms is directly proportional to the average militancy of the POPs of your country, and they generally are the largest party, so anger your POPs and the conservatives will support reforms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamius23 View Post
    Political/social reforms are enabled by the composition of the upper house: socialists and liberals will normally back them. Conservatives' support for reforms is directly proportional to the average militancy of the POPs of your country, and they generally are the largest party, so anger your POPs and the conservatives will support reforms.
    I see. So is it correct that so long as your upper house supports reform: the reforms will be available? Is there any particular reform strategy in terms of what is the best group of reforms to start with to keep the reform ball rolling?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bbasgen View Post
    I see. So is it correct that so long as your upper house supports reform: the reforms will be available? Is there any particular reform strategy in terms of what is the best group of reforms to start with to keep the reform ball rolling?
    Deny the population the reform they want, and they'll keep getting angry.

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    This was a huge problem for me a Netherlands and puts you at a massive disadvantage for colonizing.

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