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    Need help to improve DH: minister research

    Hi guys. We from DH Team need your help. By set up cabinets for scenario 1914 we got into problems finding some ministers. Maybe you could help. If you would indicate your sources that would help further development. Thank you very much!


    Code:
      # Switzerland
    
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
    Code:
       # Ethopia
    
       #ministerofsecurity     = {  type = 9 id = ###  } #  ? ("Afa-Negus" = Justice minister)
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ### } # ?
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       # Denmark
    
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofstaff           = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofarmy            = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Norway
    
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofstaff           = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ? ("kommanderende general")
       #chiefofarmy            = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ? ("kommanderende general")
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       #Sweden
    
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Luxembourg
     
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofstaff           = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofarmy            = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofnavy            = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Netherlands
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Montenegro
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofnavy            = {  type = 9 id = ### } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Spain
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofstaff           = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofarmy            = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Albania
     
       #ministerofsecurity     = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofstaff           = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofarmy            = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofnavy            = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?

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       #Australia
    
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Belgium
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  }  # ?
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       #Bulgaria
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ### } # ?
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       #Canada
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Greece
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = 220010  } # ?
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       #Raj
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ### } # ?
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       #Japan
         
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
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       #Newzealand
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ### } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ### } # ?
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       #Portugal
       
       #ministerofsecurity     = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # Rodrigo José Rodrigues # not validated
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ### } # ?
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       #Romania
    
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = 220010  } # ?
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       #South Africa
       
       #ministerofintelligence = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = 220010  } # ?
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       #France
       
       #chiefofair             = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ? Voyer
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    As far as Greece is concerend me and jamiroquai000 are heavily working on it, leaders, ministers etc. For the 1914 start the leader of intelligence is Colonel Eksadaktilos Athanasios(although we might change him with Colonel Ioannis Metaxas). Back in 1914 Greece's intelligence service was under the control of the millitary and Eksadaktylos was in charge of the informations bureau of the General Staff-with Metaxas as his immediate superior. And as for the chief of air Greece didn't have a seperate air command back then. The aeroplanes were attached to army units. The aviation ministry was founded in the early 30s. So we are either putting one of the heads of the air schools in that minister possition or nobody at all. Propably Kamperos Dimitrios.

    Sources are in Greek so i doubt they would be of much help to you.

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    for france:

    Félix-Paul-Antoine Bernard (Brigadier) http://ecole-superieure-de-guerre.fr...biographie/562

    Édouard Barès (Colonel) 14 - 16
    Paul du Peuty (Commandant) 16 - 17
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_com...of_World_War_I


    for LUX, Montenegro, ALB i doubt you'll find many people (maybe a local police officer)

    as all those offices and posts are mostly sub-branches of the ministry of defense, i think its realistic to take the defense minister without special traits.

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    Thank you both!

    @Palaiologos: Since googletranslator every source is useable.

    @bestmajor: My source is "The World War I Databook". Your proposed ministers were the Directors of Aviation. But there was also a position of "senior air officer" resp. "air chief of staff". Only the surnames are given in book. That makes it hard to find pictures or biographical datas. Maybe you can help.

    Senior Air Officer:

    Voyer to 9/14
    Bares to 2/17
    Guillabert to 4/17
    de Peuty to 8/17
    Duval to ?


    Director of Aviation:

    Bernard to 12/14
    Hirschauer to 9/15
    Besnard to 2/16
    Regnier to 2/17
    Guillemin to 3/17
    Vincent to 3/17
    Dumesnil to ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arturius View Post
    Thank you both!

    @Palaiologos: Since googletranslator every source is useable.
    I challenge you. http://www.haf.gr/el/articles/pdf/eniaia_pa.pdf

    By the way, the Chief of Air is supposed to be the military figure head, yes? Not the minister of Aviation.

    As for the other info the sources are printed. Can't really mail them to you.

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    For Denmark, the chief of the army was Jens Vilhelm Charles Gørtz until 1917 (resigned over differences with the sitting government, which was favoring neutrality and diplomacy rather than a strong military). He was in favor of a defensive approach focusing on static fortifications in particular.

    He was replaced as chief of the army by August Peder Tuxen.

    Their biographies are available here and here, in Danish, at the historical database of the fortifications of Copenhagen (a division of the national museum of military history). There are photographs of them both.

    Palle Berthelsen was chief of staff from 1912 until at least 1917. Same source as above.

    The minister of intelligence post could perhaps be filled by the justice minister. Carl Theodor Zahle was prime minister from 1913 to 1920, but the prime ministry homepage lists him as justice minister as well. His main interest was keeping Denmark out of the war, flying under the radar if you will. The same policy would have been followed during WWII if Germany hadn't needed Danish air fields to invade Norway.

    I have no idea who you would place as chief of air though. I'm not sure Denmark had any properly organized air forces - even in the 1920s and 30s the army and navy were bickering about who should have air units and the funding that would go with it, each running their own aviation branch. A separate air force wasn't formed until after WWII (in 1950 actually).

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    Ha! beat to you to it! We formed ours in 1929.

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    I have already added Eksadaktilos Athanasios as Greek Head on Intelligence in 1914 scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palaiologos View Post
    Ha! beat to you to it! We formed ours in 1929.
    Well... You didn't live next door to Germany in a small poorly defensible country. That sort of thing puts a dent in one's jingoism pretty quickly.
    It's actually a wonder we didn't entirely replace our armed forces with surrender-monkeys. Our government sure wanted something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakkura View Post
    Well... You didn't live next door to Germany in a small poorly defensible country. That sort of thing puts a dent in one's jingoism pretty quickly.
    It's actually a wonder we didn't entirely replace our armed forces with surrender-monkeys. Our government sure wanted something like that.

    I suppose that being at war from 1904-1922 with a brief pause from 1906-1912(when the preparations for the next war were being made anyway) tends to have the state focus on the armed forces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arturius
    @bestmajor: My source is "The World War I Databook". Your proposed ministers were the Directors of Aviation. But there was also a position of "senior air officer" resp. "air chief of staff". Only the surnames are given in book. That makes it hard to find pictures or biographical datas. Maybe you can help.

    Senior Air Officer:

    Voyer to 9/14
    Bares to 2/17
    Guillabert to 4/17
    de Peuty to 8/17
    Duval to ?


    Director of Aviation:

    Bernard to 12/14
    Hirschauer to 9/15
    Besnard to 2/16
    Regnier to 2/17
    Guillemin to 3/17
    Vincent to 3/17
    Dumesnil to ?
    sorry for me its the wrong world war and probably wrong country as well

    well Hirschauer should be him: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirschauer

    and if you scroll down on that wiki site,
    Bernard should be the one i directed you to in my first post (who is also on your list).
    Regnier should be Henry Jacques Regnier

    try to find the very correct french expression for these offices they held, this may bring you a step forward (at least you have sth to google with).

    otherwise collect all what you have and ask at AHF:
    http://forum.axishistory.com/viewforum.php?f=31

    really helps sometimes


    EDIT:

    GUILLABERT (Louis), Colonel Commandant la 4e aérienne Brigade mixte, 105, Cours Henri, à Lyon (Rhône).
    http://henri.eisenbeis.free.fr/popot...nt-guerre.html
    pretty much in the middle, no pic.

    http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt...verdier.langEN


    EDIT2:

    de Peuty is maybe du Peuty (Paul)? http://dupeuty.e-monsite.com/


    as for Japanese airforce just take the navy minister. Nippon had no airforce until after ww2 iirc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperia...vy_Air_Service

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arturius View Post
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       #Albania
     
       #ministerofsecurity     = {  type = 9 id = ###  } # ?
    Aqif Pashë Bicaku was Minister of the Interior from the 28.5.1914 to the 3.9.1914.

    Pics:
    http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo...vMnCpfL63D-arA
    http://www.revistamapo.com/shqipni.php?id=123

    Source:
    The Governments of Albania 1912 - 1944 (http://www.elisanet.fi/daglarsson/dokumentit/alb1.htm)
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    Hm. For Sweden, an important question is how far 'Chief of Air' can be stretched - it is rather clear which branch had dominance over the aerial forces (the army), so with a broad enough definition the Chief of Army would be your man (just leaving the question of traits). If someone with a more clear connection to the aerial forces specifically is desired, then the commander of Fälttelegrafkåren would be the man (the aerial forces were a part of that organisation, and finding out who commanded at that level would be hard enough). I am sorry to say that I have no idea who that would be, and that my source is a tad bit complicated to use Google Translate on - it is http://runeberg.org/nfcp/0338.html, which is a) in somewhat archaic Swedish b) not in a text-format but scanned in.

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    Many thanks for your help. But I have just another little request. I need help with Mexican revolutionary factions regarding aviation figures.

    What we need for every faction:

    - aviation engineers (at least the significant one) as TT
    - aviation tactician (aviation trainer?) as TT
    - supreme chief of air as minister
    - air commanders (they should have lead at least a flight, so to be a pilot is not enough) as leaders


    Progress so far. Hope you are able to fill the gaps:

    Villistas:

    sources:
    http://earlyaviators.com/epancho.htm
    http://www.mexicanaviationhistory.co...culo.php?id=28

    name of air force:
    Flotilla Aérea de la División del Norte (1914)
    Aéreo Villista (1915)

    aviation engineers:
    Lester Pence Barlow

    supreme chief of air:
    Edwin Charles Parsons (1914)
    perhaps Lester Pence Barlow (1915) ????

    aviation trainer:
    Edwin Charles Parsons
    Jefferson De Villa

    air commanders:
    Edwin Charles Parsons
    Lester Pence Barlow


    Constitucionalistas:

    sources:
    http://earlyaviators.com/esaligus.htm
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Pa...ro_Su%C3%A1rez
    http://earlyaviators.com/ealdajua.htm
    http://www.mexicanaviationhistory.co...iculo.php?id=7

    name of air force:
    Primera Flotilla Constitucionalista (1914)
    Arma de Aviación Militar (1915)
    Flotilla Aérea del Ejército Constitucionalista (1915)

    aviation engineers:
    Juan Pablo Aldasoro Suárez
    Gustavo Salinas Camiña
    Talleres Nacionales de Construcción Aeronáutica (1915)

    aviation trainer:
    Escuela Militar de Aviación (1915)
    perjaps Alberto Salinas Carranza ????????

    supreme chief of air:
    Alberto Salinas Carranza (1914)

    air commanders:
    Alberto Salinas Carranza
    Gustavo Salinas Camiña (when????????)


    Huertistas:

    sources:
    http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Guillermo_Villasana
    http://www.sedena.gob.mx/en/index.ph...can-revolution

    name of air force:
    Escuadrilla Aérea de la Milicia Auxiliar del Ejército (1913)

    aviation engineers:

    Juan Guillermo Villasana

    supreme chief of air:
    Miguel Lebrija (1913)
    perhaps Juan Guillermo Villasana (1914) ?????

    air commanders:
    Miguel Lebrija
    perhaps Juan Guillermo Villasana ?????

    Zapatistas:

    ??????
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    For Japanese chief of air force
    While there was no air force section in Japan, some people had planed using balloons and planes before WWI began, and in the 20' they were assigned to the posts for that in the Japanese Army and Navy.
    So I would suggest these two men:
    Inoue Niro (1914) <-favorite http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%BA%...BB%81%E9%83%8E
    Yamamoto Eisuke (1914) http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%B1%...8B%B1%E8%BC%94

    About Japanese MoI
    Akashi Motojiro, skilled spy by the Russo-Japanese War http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akashi_Motojiro, still lived at the beginn of the war, but he was assigned to the chief of military poice in Korea, so he might be good for this post, but not the best.
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