Springtime of Nations (Different 1836 Scenario)

[Frymonmon]

Springtime of Nations
1836 - 1936

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Download: Beta V1.1 Springtime of Nations

Springtime of Nations is a mod that allows for nations that normally wouldn't have existed a chance to exist to come about due to an increase of a nationalism that arose in several regions. The story starts in 1656 with the ruling Elite of Poland-Lithuania opting for a more decentralized country, and give regional autonomy to the various sections of the country. From here, the timeline starts.

1656: The Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth grants regional autonomy to various sections of the country.
1659: Lithuania gains full independence from Poland, the Commonwealth is dissolved.
1662: Royal Prussia revolts from Poland and gains its independence as the Kingdom of Prussia
1663: Prussia-Lithuanian War. Prussia annexes Lithuania and Kurland.
1679: Brandenburg pulls out of the Brandenburg-Prussia union.
1681: Hapsburg King of Spain deposed.
1683: War of the Netherlands. Brandenburg and the Hapsburgs fight Spain for control of the Netherlands. Brandenburg gains OTL Mexico and the Hapsburgs gain OTL Belgium.
1707: Act of Union unites Scotland and the Kingdom of England. France sees this as a threat, declares war on the United Kingdom.
1709: Anglo-French war over. Britain gains Brittany. Country changed to the United Kingdom of Britain, Ireland, and Brittany.
1718: The Tsardom of Russia declares war on Crimea. The Ottoman Empire joins in support of Crimea.
1719: The Greek population of Greece proper and Anatolia start a popular uprising against the Ottoman Empire.
1721: The Hapsburgs of Austria declare war on the Ottoman Empire, with the goal of freeing the Balkans.
1726: The Ottoman Empire and Crimea are defeated. The Russian Empire is declared in Ankara. Crimea and George annexed by Russia. Balkan states given independence. Greeks own OTL Greece + Constantinople.
1728: Egypt gains its independence from the Ottoman Empire.
1735: The Kingdom of Poland declares war on the Russian Empire.
1739: The Russian Empire surrenders to Poland. Poland annexes Moldavia and half of the Ukraine area.

(Timeline in Progress)

Modding Team

- Frymonmon
- Ethan194
- Gloa
- SchwarzKatze
- KPJ

Springtime of Nations is made possible by the following people who have graciously allowed me to use parts of their mod to help enhance this mod.

New Nations Mod BY Rylock/Trovador
River Map Mod BY OHGamer
Western European Nations and Revolters v2.2 BY Evil Weasel
Complete EU3 Nations Flagpack BY Magc8Ball
Bakumatsu Mod BY Yoshino

Gallery:


Europe 1836


China/East Asia 1836


Oceania 1836


North America 1836


South America 1836

[ZomgK3tchup]

Poland-Lithuania is slightly too large. See the Empire Mod's map.

Transvaal wouldn't exist if the Dutch still controlled the Cape Colony (unless that's Oranje).

The apparent lack of Napoleon means that Denmark-Norway should exist and Sweden should control Finland.

[Naselus]

The apparent lack of Napoleon means that Denmark-Norway should exist and Sweden should control Finland.

Prussia should also be much smaller in Germany, then.

[Jakius]

IT seems very weird England has Northern France but not Ireland. :P

[Frymonmon]

IT seems very weird England has Northern France but not Ireland. :P

I figured that England and France finally went to war, and England took Northern France, while Ireland rebelled from English rule.

In Africa, that is the Dutch, but Oranje and Traansaval are break away states that are in revolt.

Denmark-Norway, I think, is going to be added in later. Finland I just edited it to Sweden now.

I'm still working on reducing Prussia.

[Ethan194]

I would like to help you with this mod if you need it because most other mods like (Empire) (Divergences) have alot of people working on them and theres no real need for another amateur moder.

[Frymonmon]

I would like to help you with this mod if you need it because most other mods like (Empire) (Divergences) have alot of people working on them and theres no real need for another amateur moder.

Sure. Welcome aboard. I'll send you the files in a message, and we can discuss what we can do to change things here.

[Gloa]

Random suggestions:

- U.S. (or whatever analogue of the U.S is there). Assuming they emerged from a revolt like the U.S. in our timeline (or like most any American state by that time in our time line), how did they manage to get the Pacific coast as well (if I'm reading the colors right - I could be mistaking them)? I can understand the Atlantic and Caribbean outposts, but the Pacific was pretty far away. Wouldn't they just form their own rebel state?

- Egypt. Maybe have Byzantines control of the region (I'm assuming the light blue is some kind of Byzantine related nation)? It was one of the jewels of the Eastern Roman Empire, and a fairly normal Egypt seems a little odd for the rest of the Mediterranean setup (of course, if they got it it wouldn't be the whole giant thing - just the northern area - maybe with the rest uncolonized).

- I'm guessing Poland (or whoever that color is) went to war with China for its lovely set of concession ports? Maybe the Qing Dynasty can be shaken up a bit with this. There could be a major rebellion occurring when the scenario begins (similar to Mexico-Texas, except with bigger forces involved) with a new dynasty (maybe a Ming-restoration type thing, but maybe just a new non-Manchu dynasty) trying to break free (and several of the further regions like Xinjiang and Mongolia occupied by nationalists who might soon declare independence). The Qing might even be trying to reform and modernize early because of this threat (but most likely will be pushed back to just holding Manchuria while the more staunchly traditionist but larger popular Chinese dynasty takes over most of the South). Maybe throw in a Republic of Ezo/Republic of Formosa style breakaway as well, and ways for the new dynasty rebellion to fall apart once it takes over (and once the coalition of rebels no longer need to be allied). Rebel states might want to seize back the land Poland has in China, or might be supported by Poland or other Western powers (or the West might be supporting the Qing - there could be events which could get various Western nations entangled in the civil war).

- Ireland. With Ireland free, maybe there would be a stronger Pan-Celtic movement developing over the game.

- Who controls Haiti? Who controls Central America?

- Texas (or whatever that block of Texas colored stuff is). Is this breaking away from New Brandenburg similar to the original timeline with Mexico? If already an independent country, maybe it could decide to try to join either of the nations that it borders (New Brandenburg or the U.S./U.S. analogue). If it's rebelling - maybe it should be rebelling against the U.S. supported by N.B. (as a basic reverse of the original setup)?

[Frymonmon]

U.S. - Right now, the United States still exists, revolted the same way, but with the Interior regions never being properly explored by any nations, which lead to the United States exploring the Pacific themselves, establishing trading posts in Washington and California. I plan on having a few Native American nations in the interior to simulate some sort of war (Instead of the USA just colonizing the entire place)

Egypt - Egypt is still a WIP. Africa was only gently touched by me so far. The Greek State that exists there currently has vassal status on Tripoli, and Egypt will be split up between it.

Poland - Poland, in this history, is a naval Super Giant, mostly as an Eastern European counterpart to the British Empire. With Polish Chinese regions, I am planning on having a small, Chinese state that will break away, and modernize, proving an enemy for the Qing Dynasty. More or less, it will divide itself into a civil war, where there are about 5 different outcomes, all providing a different China.

Ireland - I plan on writing a whole movement for a Pan-Celtic alliance should Ireland get strong enough/England weak enough.

Haiti and Central America are, as of right now, still vanilla. I plan on making Haiti a split island still under colonial occupation of France (Haiti) and Poland (Dominican Republic). Central America is going to be like the K.u.K., Central American majority, with several minorities.

Texas - Texas is a break-away state of New Brandenburg. Instead of easily joining the United States, they are going to pursue independence, and have to ally with outside forces to starve off the Brandenburgian and American efforts to annex them.

New Brandenburg - There will be events for this country, and strategic cores that will allow it to be a fun nation to play, unlike Mexico which is basically get crushed by the United States and that is it.

[ZomgK3tchup]

The idea of Poland and Prussia becoming colonial powers is certainly interesting but I don't know how likely it is.

Being in the center of Europe, they were more busy with European affairs. And likewise, they didn't have easy access to the open ocean. Notice a trend with England, France, Holland, Portugal, and Spain? They weren't burdened by Central European power struggles and sat on the Atlantic Coast.

Just something to consider when you hand out colonies.

[Frymonmon]

Colonies, at the moment, are just ideas. I've tried to make Poland a contender for major power, being the shining gem of Central/Eastern Europe, competing against the Western European powers on an equal footing. With Prussia, the idea of a Prussian "Mexico" was mostly because I think an alternate history for Mexico would be suffice. In the most senses, Western and Eastern Europe are the major stabilizing areas, with Central Europe being in a constant stage of turmoil.

[icedt729]

I agree with Ketchup, New Brandenburg and Polish Phillipines seem like a stretch, since even in this timeline they're still land powers bordering numerous large rivals. Shuffling Irish, French, Dutch, Portuguese and Spanish holdings could be interesting enough though, also decolonizing Indonesia in the same way you've done India.

[Reqinald]

I'll bite with a German Mexico, but you're going to have to really work at that history to make it believable.

A Poland-Lithuania where it's a naval great power, though? I'm just having a very hard time believing that and figuring out at WHAT divergence point that could have happened.

[ODaly]

Like others, I'm having a hard time buying
A: how big Poland is (did it double in size during the attempted partition?)
B: that it caught up to and surpassed the colonially-focused nations in time to pick up Philippines and west Australia. It's separated from the ocean by straits through Denmark, Istanbul, and Gibraltar. That's quite the disadvantage.
I think you could go a different route to make them a challenger in the G8. Give them a Baltic state satellite and maybe one of the German minors as a satellite too, or cores needed for form NGF/Germany, or something to give them the opportunity to beat down Prussia and Austria.

Suggestions I'd make: Decolonizing Patagonia, and perhaps just shaking things up a bit more in that area. Adding a couple nations to Indonesia, either native or colonial, to mirror the competition for India and Australia. When did the English/French war happen? Would Spain have ended up similarly divided, allowing Catalonia to emerge? Depending on balance issues, maybe decolonizing the western part of the Russia/China border to keep the bear focused on the west if the Poland/Prussia/Austria triangle is too unbalanced and keep China from nabbing Kokand.

Overall, it's interesting, but I think I'd like to see a bit more thought and polish before I'd try it. As it stands, it looks like the only two end-goals were to knock the UK down a peg with India, and a way to play as Poland in space without being Krakow.

EDIT: Also, perhaps taking advantage of the opportunity to cultivate a lot of the releasable nations would give some interesting situations.

[Omega124]

In Africa, that is the Dutch, but Oranje and Traansaval are break away states that are in revolt.

That doesn't make sense. Traansvasal was formed by the fleeing Dutch settlers who didn't want to be part of the British colony. A Dutch South Africa means no Boer republics.

Anyways, here's some ideas:

Spain invades Portugal and succedes. The country of Iberia is formed. Meanwhile, the Monarchy flees to Brazil, like OTL. But a Republican Portuguese revolt is going on at 1836, like Texas. Iberia starts at war with it, and Brazil also has cores on Portugal.

Unified, Civilized Arabia at start. If it becomes a GP, and owns Ankara, it can declare the Caliph, getting cores on the Arab World

I know Divergences did this, but perhaps a Chinese Civil War? Have the Qing, one or two new families, perhaps a Neo-Han, and a republic. You coud even have this half-way into the game, with a chance to prevent it.

Free Alaska and/or Siberia.

Make New York independent. (Wishful thinking)

[Ethan194]

Sorted the uploading problem heres my proposed north western US which is contested with the UK britain doesernt have any cores on the region but the US does im also thinking that maybe the US should have cores on parts of canada which would almost guarantee a war like war of 1836 or something which would be quite interesting or posible being already ingaged in this war at the begginig?



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[Frymonmon]

Alright then, I'd like to thank the people who have give me suggestions and have been fact checking my information. I will be making the following changes based upon your feedback.

- Poland will reduced to the size of Poland-Lithuania before the first partition.
- Polish Colonies will be reduced
- Patagonia will be decolonized
- Northern South America will reorganized
- Prussia will no longer hold any colonies besides the breakaway colony of New Brandenburg
- Boer Republics will only exist if Dutch South Africa is captured
- Native American Nations will be added to North and South America
- Denmark-Norway added
- Sweden only owns Sweden, Finland, Cores on Karelia, Estonia, Latvia
- Poland has puppet status on Saxony
- Chinese Civil War will be added
- Spain starts at war with Portugal to annex and create Iberia
- Aragon will be a breakaway nation
- Prussia will be reduced in size
- Civilized Indian Nation
- Civilized Arabian Nation (Arabia not united)
- Austrian Empire renamed to Hapsburg Empire
- More North/South German Minors

[ZomgK3tchup]

This is quickly becoming Divergences except without the Dual Monarchy.

Maybe civilized nations outside of Europe and America aren't such a good idea.

[Frymonmon]

Well, in terms of territory changes, this is not going to be changing much else. The only civilized states will be in India and Arabia. Both of these will be very low tech and not able to do much.

In terms of Divergences, the PoD is much, much sooner. It will also give unlikely nations more chances to be interesting to play, without going as far as making new nations a la Divergences.

[Ethan194]

Maybe the kingdom of italy could be added and have desisions were it could unite italy and i did a New Holland mod http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...olland-Mod-V.1 a while ago perhaps something from this could be added and my most important suggestion and most likley is that if quebec is independent from the start in our timeline there were attempts to gain independence for an independet french candadian state http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quebec#...n_Lower_Canada and this is the springtime of nations the more indepent nations the better perhaps they could be allied with the US as the US would do its upmost to kick british influence out of north america.