Precautions shouldn't be able to damage equipment

[Necrullz]

It was Tryrion's CHOICE not to PvP during those 2 weeks, he simply could have used slightly lower gear or no gear at all, it's not hard...

@ 1) Not too keen on it, IDK, how about anyone who has PvP'ed + 10 matches in that week gets all gear instantly repaired, since they are considered an 'active' PvPer
@ 2) I agree
@ 3) That actually sounds sort of cool! And if you collect like 20 or something you can craft it in to a big soulbound trophy worth more or something, could be a fun little addition
@ 4) No...that would promote noob bashing...

[teosblu]

1 interesting info here: Era ended! aye.. you didnt noticed.. Well other new is: A non premium won the PvP ladder. Costs: over 900Tribute just on normal gear. Times he had to stop cause no more tribute: over 2weeks during the era = 25% of the era he couldnt PvP cause of that. = MAYBE if you just chance daily tribute for +5 day OR add tribute reward from PvP..like: (this 25% of era no PvP could be avoided)

1) era now has 4weeks: each week Devs would see ladder top 25: 1st receives 200tribute. 25th receives 25tribute. (scale beetween). Do this 4 times ( 1 each week end).

2) instant +trivute for each win( like +5)

3) make a random new trophie (like 25%chance) of dropping on Win.. (souldbound trophie) that can be converted as Tribute.

4) receive a buff after each 20wins: blabla blessing: all repairs cost are halved during 1h.

that simply not gonna happend i fear....
it has been a lot discussed since old eras...

Surely the idea of lowering dura loss in pvp battle is RIght!!
but giving out tribute i think is out of question...

[Klaaj]

that also might have some other reasons behaind like.. he lost 1 game on the 31th win ( i think) due to a power fail in his house. He disgusted about that soo badly he left PvP

Oh he did the first 3weeks of era naked PvP. and he always asked in general chat if ppl wanted..he would go without gear/precautions.. so he could have some matches. I guess I wanted to have an argument to then say those 1,2,3,4) adds to tribute to PvP cause i fear I can get the same problem with tribute this era if I PvP alot..

[xxzodiacxx01]

3/ repairing gear is not necesity. If you're not able to repair gear, it doesnt limit your gameplay posibilities at all (1). Its just an advantage. There is a lot of gear ingame, and if you're not willing to give up on your charmed gear, you can use that advantage. Its just not free. Or we can do repairing for shards this era, fast converting for shards next era, undepressing for shards in era after that, and finishing the run with closing the game because its not doing any profit. The service was set to being advantage by devs, and I dont think that services should be switched between free/premium on player demand. (2)

4/ see point 3 (3)

5/ comparing DL to private servers of MMORPG games? REally? Btw Lineage and Warcraft are pay2play games, Dreamlords are free2pay with microtransactions. Or if you want to take russian L2 server in consideration, its free2play, but at higher levels you HAVE to get premium to get any group, because free player in party cripples droprates. In Dreamlords, you can get to top being free player. So I think that this comparison fails a lot. Not even counting there is no gear repair in Lineage

6/ never said that I'm any better than you. You clearly misunderstood my point. All I was saying is that you shouldnt complain for paying players having more possibilites that you (5). The paying players are reason why you can play for free, and as it is, I dont really like the stance of free players to paying players presented here on forums. Its like being premium/having tribute was something bad. I'm not saying that you should be grateful to paying players, having some extraordinary respect to them, but on the other hand, why so many ppl hates them? Is it envy? Guess so... (6)

7/ where is that pay2win mechanism you talk about? Repairing gear? Not really. Pay2win would be if only paying players could get charmed gear, not that you are not able to keep it because you lose too many units in fight. (7)

8/ I'm premium, I have PvP repair prepaid in that service. Try that, does miracles. And I said I dont PvP lot in this era, but I have hundreds of PvPs in Reawakening (where I wasnt premium, so I had to deal with repairs too), and through the beta of Ressurection. So I know my deal of PvP, gear repairing etc (8)

9/ I'm not opposed to that posibility, but I'm opposed to switching any paid service to free. Because as I said already, if there will be one, then the community will demand more. Thats how it is. Now you explain me, why you hold grudge against paying players? (9)

1- See what klajj said - Tryryon couldn't PvP for 2 eras of the game. And as he's the one with more experience than all of us - arguable, but sill an experienced player - , stopping PvPing is something he had to do, and that affected his CV - he was warlord, he had low BR, and his CV didn't get the benefits of his Warlord during that week. But this (his CV being affected) doesn't have the same importance as he having to stop doing something by what you claim doesn't limit game possibilities at all.

2- Wouldn't be changed on unfounded demands - see point 1.

3- Two topics being discussed in both points - 2, sistem functioning; 3, paid services. So it doesn't apply to the 2 point - sistem is changed both on player demand's and the company's interests.

4- Yes, comparing a free-to-play game - as you yourself claim - to other free to play games. And I explained why - I even explained the exact similarities between this Dreamlords and Archlords. And, if you don't like the "public" expression, search cracked instead - all servers that earn lots of money, and still repairing is free. You also say that in Lineage, you HAVE to get premiun at higher levels to get in any group because free player in party cripples droprates - you are clearly contradicting yourself, as the "game functioning" fails in the same way it fails in our repairing sistem, when a paid service starts becoming a necesity because not of game functioning but the way the comunity behaves in game.

5- No you did not say you are better than you - you said free players shouldn't complain as they are playing for free. Therefore, the only players that should be able to complain are players - that by the way, you yourself claim they are playing for free as well, and are just paying services to get the advantages I like to repeat over and over again - that spend money in the game.

6- No, paying players are not the reason I'm playing for free - I'm playing for free because the company found that making the game a private thing wouldn't bring any profit.
Oh, and you claim that free players dislike paying players, hate them... and oy say it's because of envy. Nobody hates Premiun players/T. On the other hand, everyone hates people that confuse their place - which happens when they get confused about what they are really paying for. And nobody in this game is paying to play...

7- This is false. Completely. I thought we had already decided people can't replace charmed gear - therefore, people have to use the paid services to repair them. And loosing too many units doesn't have anything to do when your equipment is 1/20 durability - just by loosing one unit you loose it.

8- Nobody said no. In fact, I got tired of saying how good you were - so you didn't feel like I'm depretiating you (which I'm not). And by the way, you had to deal with repairs

9- If you are opposed to switching paid services to free, you are opposed to the possibility. You can't see the future - therefore, you can't know what would happen. Furthermore, the community will demand REASONABLE changes - nobody will ask 1000 free daily tribute for example. And I explained, I don't hold any grudge against paying players. In fact, the people I respect/admire the most - delra, AMFS - are mostly Premiun/T Buyers. So I'm sorry if you felt I was against that specific group - though I did not do anything to make you feel that way (if you had read my posts carefully, you would have realized what I'm against).

I can tell you what I'm against if you don't know - I'm against about paid services becoming a necesity in a free-to-play game, sustained by people who pay, not for me to play for free, but to have advantages in-game. And I do not hate paying players - I hate disrespect (you were not disrespectful) and people confused about their positions - though this doesn't really matter to me until they start bothering me). And by the way, you were none

1 interesting info here: Era ended! aye.. you didnt noticed.. Well other new is: A non premium won the PvP ladder. Costs: over 900Tribute just on normal gear. Times he had to stop cause no more tribute: over 2weeks during the era = 25% of the era he couldnt PvP cause of that. = MAYBE if you just chance daily tribute for +5 day OR add tribute reward from PvP..like: (this 25% of era no PvP could be avoided)

1) era now has 4weeks: each week Devs would see ladder top 25: 1st receives 200tribute. 25th receives 25tribute. (scale beetween). Do this 4 times ( 1 each week end).

2) instant +trivute for each win( like +5)

3) make a random new trophie (like 25%chance) of dropping on Win.. (souldbound trophie) that can be converted as Tribute.

4) receive a buff after each 20wins: blabla blessing: all repairs cost are halved during 1h.

All good observations and suggestions (I don't like the idea of free tribute though )

It was Tryrion's CHOICE not to PvP during those 2 weeks, he simply could have used slightly lower gear or no gear at all, it's not hard...

@ 1) Not too keen on it, IDK, how about anyone who has PvP'ed + 10 matches in that week gets all gear instantly repaired, since they are considered an 'active' PvPer
@ 2) I agree
@ 3) That actually sounds sort of cool! And if you collect like 20 or something you can craft it in to a big soulbound trophy worth more or something, could be a fun little addition
@ 4) No...that would promote noob bashing...

Tryrion wouldn't have chosen not to PvP unless he was forced to.

1) I like that idea.
2) This one I don't - I believe giving free tribute wouldn't solve the main problem, and will unbalance PvE/PvP
3) All good ideas to enrich the game

that simply not gonna happend i fear....
it has been a lot discussed since old eras...

Surely the idea of lowering dura loss in pvp battle is RIght!!
but giving out tribute i think is out of question...

I dissagree with you - lot have changed since old eras, may change now. But I'm also against giving away tribute - wouldn't solve the problem, and will make paying people use the same currency free players use... (not sure if this is understood - ask if don't )

that also might have some other reasons behaind like.. he lost 1 game on the 31th win ( i think) due to a power fail in his house. He disgusted about that soo badly he left PvP

Oh he did the first 3weeks of era naked PvP. and he always asked in general chat if ppl wanted..he would go without gear/precautions.. so he could have some matches. I guess I wanted to have an argument to then say those 1,2,3,4) adds to tribute to PvP cause i fear I can get the same problem with tribute this era if I PvP alot..

May have been other reasons behind, though this was "in front" and clear . Doing naked pvp and asking if people wanted with no gear/prec is a clear fail in the PvP sistem to actually HAVE some matches is a fail in the PvP sistem. And also don't be shy to discuss what you don't like - this is how the game improves.


(PS: sry for such a late answer, having lots of tests here :S)

[Keeks]

1/ Tryrion _couldn't_ PvP? Oh he could. But it was _his_ decision not to. The system (and please, learn to write system with y in it didnt prevent him to do that, he just stopped of his own will. And you really made me laught saying he has most experience of all of us. He is quite new to this game, far from being experienced, and very very far from being experienced more than me/Scythe/many others . And again, it was Try's decision that hurted his CV, not the game design.

2/ see 1. The demands are not reasonable.

4/ public, cracked, doesnt matter. Those are not official servers, those servers are piracy, and you are not allowed to play on those when you accept game EULA. Its not worth it to compare anything to this, as these servers are run by regular people who dont need to care about paying salaries, taxes, keeping track of accounts etc. Their money policy is uncomparable with developed game like Dreamlords. And about the L2 - there are 3 main zones where is L2 played. On America/Europe you pay monthly fees to be able to play the game. In Korea you pay for time spent in game. And on Russia the game is free2play, but there is premium option that doubles your exp/SP gains, and it doubles droprates too. But if there is at least 1 nonpremium, the droprates of entire party will get lowered to 1.5. So in result, you have to be premium to get decent party on higher levels. I agree that system fails, but not like our repair system. Once again, repairing is advantage, not neccessity.

5/ learn to read finally. I said you are not supposed to complain that payed services are not for free too. Feel free to complain that durability loss is too high, but dont complain in the direction that you need more free tribute to repair your gear. Repairing is paid service, its not supposed to be free nor achivable by all for free.

6/ paying players are and always were reasons the game could have free2play option. If there was no paying players, game would go down, so you wouldnt be able to to play for free anymore. And if you look properly, there are many posts about "why paying players have more options that I do? I want the same!". Thats where the hostility against paying comes from...so pure envy in my eyes.

7/ fail. Charmed gear have up to 20 durability. If you lose it, your fault. You dont need charmed gear to be able to play. You _want_ to have it. There is major flaw in your theory. You call repair service a neccessity, but it becames neccessity only for you and your _need_ of something. And if you _need_ something, and you're not willing to pay for it...well, your bad, not a flaw of game.

9/ see your posts...community doesnt want reasonable things, they wants things that fulfill their needs best to be able to play4free with all the benefits they could have.

[xxzodiacxx01]

1/ Tryrion _couldn't_ PvP? Oh he could. But it was _his_ decision not to (1). The system (and please, learn to write system with y in it didnt prevent him to do that (2), he just stopped of his own will. And you really made me laught saying he has most experience of all of us. He is quite new to this game, far from being experienced, and very very far from being experienced more than me/Scythe/many others . And again, it was Try's decision that hurted his CV, not the game design. (3)

2/ see 1. The demands are not reasonable. (4)

4/ public, cracked, doesnt matter (5). Those are not official servers, those servers are piracy, and you are not allowed to play on those when you accept game EULA. Its not worth it to compare anything to this (6), as these servers are run by regular people who dont need to care about paying salaries, taxes, keeping track of accounts etc (7). Their money policy is uncomparable with developed game like Dreamlords (8). And about the L2 - there are 3 main zones where is L2 played. On America/Europe you pay monthly fees to be able to play the game. In Korea you pay for time spent in game. And on Russia the game is free2play, but there is premium option that doubles your exp/SP gains, and it doubles droprates too. But if there is at least 1 nonpremium, the droprates of entire party will get lowered to 1.5. So in result, you have to be premium to get decent party on higher levels (9). I agree that system fails, but not like our repair system (10). Once again, repairing is advantage, not neccessity. (11)

5/ learn to read finally. I said you are not supposed to complain that payed services are not for free too. Feel free to complain that durability loss is too high, but dont complain in the direction that you need more free tribute to repair your gear. Repairing is paid service, its not supposed to be free nor achivable by all for free. (12)

6/ paying players are and always were reasons the game could have free2play option. If there was no paying players, game would go down, so you wouldnt be able to to play for free anymore. And if you look properly, there are many posts about "why paying players have more options that I do? I want the same!". Thats where the hostility against paying comes from...so pure envy in my eyes. (13)

7/ fail. Charmed gear have up to 20 durability. If you lose it, your fault. You dont need charmed gear to be able to play. You _want_ to have it. There is major flaw in your theory. You call repair service a neccessity, but it becames neccessity only for you and your _need_ of something. And if you _need_ something, and you're not willing to pay for it...well, your bad, not a flaw of game. (14)

9/ see your posts...community doesnt want reasonable things, they wants things that fulfill their needs best to be able to play4free with all the benefits they could have (15).

1- Please re-read my entire post - I've never said it wasn't his decision, I said he was forced to stop. He would have continued PvPing, in other words.

2- Not that the system - - encouraged him to keep PvPing.

3- Too good that I made you laugh! I said it was highly arguable - because I was expecting this reply. Still he's a very skilled PvPer, one of the best. If not he wouldn't have won the ladder for BR - he went from very low br to 80 in less than one day. Besides, hurting his CV is secondary to the main problem, and I said that

4- The demands are way reasonable, future and present unreasonable demands are just ignored - which is ok. If it was unreasonable I wouldn't spend hours replying to you - not that you are a dev or moderator .

5- Mattered when you didn't understand the concept.

6- Ilegal or not, they function as every "legal" service - with some tweaks, of course. And it's way worth to compare, as they ilegal/legal servers both play the same game

7- You fail to understand that these "regular" people have the same duties mantaining the servers than companies. If they did not kept track about their accounts, for example, the server wouldn't work. Though it's true that they don't have to pay salaries or taxes - but we are talking about the game functioning, not the way it's kept up and running .

8- Yes you are right - but again we are not talking about their money policy. If we mention it is just to try to explain why something in-game is a paid service - so it's just a secondary thing, at least in the topic being discussed .

9- According to you, no, you don't have to - that's why you are contradicting yourself. Please try to understand why you say one is a must and one is not.

10- Their system fails, our system fails - how they fail is something they CAN'T have in common (they are too different games).

11- I won't keep arguing about repairing being a necesity or not - you certainly don't think that way, and simply won't change your mind because of what I can say (which is not wrong, btw). Plenty has been said. It's a necesity for people abstaining from PvP.

12- I can read - trust me . You said free players shouldn't complain of what they get for free ("you complain that you cannot do something if you play for free"). Well sir, as long as my comlaints (suggestions, in fact) are reasonable, I can complain of whatever I want to complain. And my suggestions ARE reasonable. And I know repairing is a paid service - but most of us will agree that there should be alternatives to paying for repairing. And we have been discussing these through all our posts - you should explain why it's not suppoused to be free or achievable, and why is an advantage rather than a necesity, other than saying "the devs made it so it's an advantage" (I've been clear to explain all my arguments).

13- You must be a very sensible person . Never argued that paying players are the people keeping the game up and running. Still, this is a FREE-TO-PLAY game (as you claim) because the company made it this way - they must have realised they woudn't earn money the other way (though I don't know the reasons). I wouldn't be playing if this was a free game - maybe that's the reason? having more players?. If this was a payed game and premiun players payed my fee, then they would be the reason why I play for free. It's not, therefore, you play your game, and don't try to say paying players "pay my fee" - they are paying to have advantages, because of their own interests .

14- You fail to say it's my "need". I have plenty of tribute to repair my gear, so does delra (the creator of this post). My "flaw" is not that I speak on behalf of my interest - as I'm speaking on behalf of community's interests. Repairing becomes a necessity for "community" and when "community" needs it for something - not me. And if "community" NEEDS a payed service to play a FREE-TO-PLAY game, well, here you have the flaw in YOUR theory. That, and your inflexibility - you haven't agreed in anything of what I say, conceptions MUST be made while arguing (if not, there's not a reason for arguing). In fact, I've stopped speaking to you some posts ago - I've been speaking to the readers, to the COMMUNITY. It was just useless to speak to you

15- Well this is your opinion. As I said, unreasonable demands CAN and MUST be ignored. Everything I, delra, or others, have been suggesting, are all reasonable things. Wanting to fulfill the needs to be able to play for free with all the benefits possible? Way wrong - just wanting to fulfill the needs to play for free .

(PS: sry for such a late response, having a lot of exams)

[Keeks]

You should make tl;dr version, it would be something like "all those arguments over and over again". Getting bored by this, topic is drained imo, you wont change your opinion, I wont change mine, doing long posts becames useless. Devs said they're looking into it, so we will see what they'll come with. Our argue wont solve anything :P

[Necrullz]

If not he wouldn't have won the ladder for BR -

Sputnik won the 1st battle master in an era, 'nuff said.

[xxzodiacxx01]

Fair enough, if you want to stop discussing, I'm ok with that. Was having fun though

And Necrullz... No. Just no. With the current competition we have in dueling grounds these days (though not because of the number of players), the best are always at top - or the top is filled with the best.

By the way, who's Sputnik???