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Is westernizing as the Sikh Empire around 1876 good enough, or is there room for improvement? Playing NNM, but experience for Vanilla Panjab is also appreciated.

Additionally, what decides whether the AI wants to ally? This is in the 1890s now, but good alliances seemed to be nigh impossible beforehand, too.
I am in the UK Sphere - alliance is impossible most of the time, with (very) unlikely (and rarely a maybe) cropping up every now and then but vanishing quite quickly. Likewise Russia shows no interest at all. Persia dropped their alliance the moment i had a border with them (and now i conquered Khorosan and Isfahan, so no matter anymore). The only one i seem to have a chance at allying is China/current leading chinese substate, which is bad as i certainly don't want to be in their sphere (and the UK is not fighting much to keep me in theirs), and our common border is impassable.
Should i rather concentrate on GP, now that i have coal/iron, and hope for a russian alliance before the UK annihilates me?
 
Tiuz said:
Is westernizing as the Sikh Empire around 1876 good enough, or is there room for improvement? Playing NNM, but experience for Vanilla Panjab is also appreciated.

Additionally, what decides whether the AI wants to ally? This is in the 1890s now, but good alliances seemed to be nigh impossible beforehand, too.
I am in the UK Sphere - alliance is impossible most of the time, with (very) unlikely (and rarely a maybe) cropping up every now and then but vanishing quite quickly. Likewise Russia shows no interest at all. Persia dropped their alliance the moment i had a border with them (and now i conquered Khorosan and Isfahan, so no matter anymore). The only one i seem to have a chance at allying is China/current leading chinese substate, which is bad as i certainly don't want to be in their sphere (and the UK is not fighting much to keep me in theirs), and our common border is impassable.
Should i rather concentrate on GP, now that i have coal/iron, and hope for a russian alliance before the UK annihilates me?
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Considering everything, Russia is your only hope. Noone else will be able to ship their troops in big enough numbers to beat down the hordes of British troops waiting to stomp all over you...and noone else in the region can really put up a fight either.

1876 is in my mind ok, my experience with Panjab is somewhat limited, but I always had issues getting sphered soon enough, and then Russia and the UK squabbling over me for awhile dropping in and out of spheres. Your best bet is to try to get a landborder with Russia, though with access to coal and iron, renewed interest in sphering you might exist. I'd concentrate on GP, or depending on their relationship, possibly an alliance with Russia if they hate the UK..though I've always been shafted with them having an alliance. China is good canon fodder though. As a GP, chances of an alliance might increase. The US is also an option, and they tend to get active in sphering in that region and will give a boost to warscore taking over Canada.
 
Is it possible to increase how far I can zoom out whilst still have units displayed on screen? It's pretty tedious having to play the game at a low speed and constantly scroll around the map, just so I don't miss anything.
 
grimkm said:
Considering everything, Russia is your only hope. Noone else will be able to ship their troops in big enough numbers to beat down the hordes of British troops waiting to stomp all over you...and noone else in the region can really put up a fight either.

1876 is in my mind ok, my experience with Panjab is somewhat limited, but I always had issues getting sphered soon enough, and then Russia and the UK squabbling over me for awhile dropping in and out of spheres. Your best bet is to try to get a landborder with Russia, though with access to coal and iron, renewed interest in sphering you might exist. I'd concentrate on GP, or depending on their relationship, possibly an alliance with Russia if they hate the UK..though I've always been shafted with them having an alliance. China is good canon fodder though. As a GP, chances of an alliance might increase. The US is also an option, and they tend to get active in sphering in that region and will give a boost to warscore taking over Canada.
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Thank you, your reply prompted me to closer examine the different mapmodes and the relations one sure is nifty. Seeing Russia and the UK being BFFs makes me think i should restart and try to pry them apart (or hope they don't get too close in the first place). Battles over sphereing Panjab would probably help, although be detrimental to westernization. Sounds like walking a tightrope.

Additionally i noticed that becoming a GP isn't that easy, and i'll take the hint from Naselus (i think, in another thread) about the importance of Prestige and try to act with that in mind already pre-westernization.
 
Tiuz said:
Thank you, your reply prompted me to closer examine the different mapmodes and the relations one sure is nifty. Seeing Russia and the UK being BFFs makes me think i should restart and try to pry them apart (or hope they don't get too close in the first place). Battles over sphereing Panjab would probably help, although be detrimental to westernization. Sounds like walking a tightrope.

Additionally i noticed that becoming a GP isn't that easy, and i'll take the hint from Naselus (i think, in another thread) about the importance of Prestige and try to act with that in mind already pre-westernization.
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Fighting some wars with your neighbours, but watching out for Persia is a decent tactic. Expanding north is easy, afghanistan, Bukkhara, etc. But there are 4 countries to pick up with Indian cores, though sindh will give you a larger border to defend without being flanked.

Humiliation wars can go some way to demolish opposing armies. No sea access can be a gift or a curse as well. It is possible to get GP status without industrialising much or even any at all..but you'll need something to compensate, military or prestige being the only routes..and catching up militarily is tedious work and will take awhile, amassing a decent sized army is not so hard..paying for it will be though. But if you can have some humiliation wars and constant revolts in your neighbour countries till you westernise, you can expand pretty rapidly when you do.

But yes, prying UK and Russia apart somehow is crucial, and if you can get a land border with russia, you could play defensibly and use them for canon fodder in any eventual war with the UK..panjab has great mountains, but attrition is a problem when gearing for war..alot of moving around when the uk eventually send in their doomstacks. Good luck and report back. Interested to see how this develops..managed to get Panjab to GP just, but not retained it without cheating yet. ;) But no doubt its very doable, and as ever, some luck won't go amiss.
 
How do i encircle and completely kill an enemy army? I keep sending cavalry stacks as reinforcements into a battle but still the enemy keeps retreating to nearby provinces, even if those provinces are all occupied by my forces.
 
You need to park units in surrounding provinces, rather than send them into battle from surrounding provinces. Just have them sit everywhere where enemy might retreat.
 
Worth noting that units can't retreat into a battle. So if you are fighting enemy in one of neighbouring provinces, it still counts for successful encirclement. So don't hesitate to suicide a stack if you think they can hold there long enough for another enemy stack to vanish.
 
Ah yes, i just tested it and it worked, thanks alot :D ! Was wonderful to see 240k spanish to die to my mighty brazilians! Anyway, now i have another problem... im in this great war with UK, Brazil, Russia, Ottoman Empire, Austria X France, Spain, Sweden, Netherlands, in my side Russia is the war leader, we have been wining the fighting in the colonies almost completely, and Russia has conquered all of Sweden, but the war score is low for our side since france is defeating austria and russia alone.

The thing is we are actually winning but the war score is negative for our side, so i cant add any war goals, which i want to do to conquer all of the french and the remaining spanish colonies. BUT stupid Russia is capitulating to Sweden, and actually giving the state Sweden wanted to take, EVEN though all of Scandinavia is occupied by Russia. So the war ends with absolutely NO gains for me, and not even for my allies, and actually we get defeated.... What can i do? Is there any way of me becoming the war leader?
 
Wulfburk said:
Ah yes, i just tested it and it worked, thanks alot :D ! Was wonderful to see 240k spanish to die to my mighty brazilians! Anyway, now i have another problem... im in this great war with UK, Brazil, Russia, Ottoman Empire, Austria X France, Spain, Sweden, Netherlands, in my side Russia is the war leader, we have been wining the fighting in the colonies almost completely, and Russia has conquered all of Sweden, but the war score is low for our side since france is defeating austria and russia alone.

The thing is we are actually winning but the war score is negative for our side, so i cant add any war goals, which i want to do to conquer all of the french and the remaining spanish colonies. BUT stupid Russia is capitulating to Sweden, and actually giving the state Sweden wanted to take, EVEN though all of Scandinavia is occupied by Russia. So the war ends with absolutely NO gains for me, and not even for my allies, and actually we get defeated.... What can i do? Is there any way of me becoming the war leader?
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There's nothing you can do except to invade France. Occupying colonial provinces is a tiny amount of the warscore. If Russia is being crushed however, you're doomed...as they will agree to whatever is served to them, including deamnds against you.
 
Damn... no russia is just fine, it only got 1 (!) province occupied by france, while it has occupied ALL of the swedish provinces. Well i'll try to invade Spain to see if the score goes t our side, i hope russia doesnt accepts peace even when it is winning, it is suposed to be a great war!
 
What's going on with the Great War Capitulation system? Is it WAD, or completely broken?

France got attacked for going over the Infamy limit. I'm allied with it. It becomes a Great War. Repeatedly, France Capitulates to the countries it's at war with, though the war still continues for some reason. It started off by Capitulating to countries that were being completely destroyed, such as Argentina whose army I had totally annihilated and which I was in the process of occupying 100%. So it has no army and it's left to me and its other allies to scramble to try and defeat the UK and all its allies. We're still managing to win, but a couple of years in, it capitulates to a few more minor countries, I hear the War is Over .wav, and I find that most of my armies have disappeared, all my armies under construction have been cancelled, all my ships have been cancelled, but the war is still on!

It Capitulates (loses) to countries we were defeating, which takes all those points off the Warscore, which means there's no way it can win. Not to mention, the first time it Capitulates, it gets disarmed so for all intents and purposes, takes itself out of the war.

Questions:
How can the war still be on when the War Leader has capitulated.
How can the War Leader capitulate on my behalf,
Why did the War Leader capitulate even though we were winning,
What exactly was different about the last Capitulation - it disarmed my country whereas I wasn't disarmed every other time France Capitulated. I need to know why.
Is there a way to prevent this from happening, because this completely ruins the game.

I apologize if this has already been asked but when you search for it you get this:

The following words are either very common, too long, or too short and were not included in your search:
"great war capitulation"

 
doublezero said:
What's going on with the Great War Capitulation system? Is it WAD, or completely broken?

France got attacked for going over the Infamy limit. I'm allied with it. It becomes a Great War. Repeatedly, France Capitulates to the countries it's at war with, though the war still continues for some reason. It started off by Capitulating to countries that were being completely destroyed, such as Argentina whose army I had totally annihilated and which I was in the process of occupying 100%. So it has no army and it's left to me and its other allies to scramble to try and defeat the UK and all its allies. We're still managing to win, but a couple of years in, it capitulates to a few more minor countries, I hear the War is Over .wav, and I find that most of my armies have disappeared, all my armies under construction have been cancelled, all my ships have been cancelled, but the war is still on!

It Capitulates (loses) to countries we were defeating, which takes all those points off the Warscore, which means there's no way it can win. Not to mention, the first time it Capitulates, it gets disarmed so for all intents and purposes, takes itself out of the war.

Questions:
How can the war still be on when the War Leader has capitulated.
How can the War Leader capitulate on my behalf,
Why did the War Leader capitulate even though we were winning,
What exactly was different about the last Capitulation - it disarmed my country whereas I wasn't disarmed every other time France Capitulated. I need to know why.
Is there a way to prevent this from happening, because this completely ruins the game.

I apologize if this has already been asked but when you search for it you get this:

The following words are either very common, too long, or too short and were not included in your search:
"great war capitulation"
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It only surrendered to a junior partner on the opposition. Until it surrenders to the opposition war leader, the war continues. The AI is rubbish at peace making. Since you are not the war leader, the rubbish AI screws you too.

The way to stop it happening is
i) don't fight any wars let alone great wars unless you are the leader
ii) if not the war leader then make sure that your war leader doesn't get beaten up by shipping your army to its theatre
iii) concentrate on the enemy war leader and ignoring its allies until your side is winning. If you weren't occupying Argentina, your leader wouldn't have surrendered to them. If your war leader is desperate to surrender, you need it to surrender to the opposition leader, and that means making the opposition leader the most amenable of its side to peace.
 
The Arch Mede said:
It only surrendered to a junior partner on the opposition. Until it surrenders to the opposition war leader, the war continues. The AI is rubbish at peace making. Since you are not the war leader, the rubbish AI screws you too.

The way to stop it happening is
i) don't fight any wars let alone great wars unless you are the leader
ii) if not the war leader then make sure that your war leader doesn't get beaten up by shipping your army to its theatre
iii) concentrate on the enemy war leader and ignoring its allies until your side is winning. If you weren't occupying Argentina, your leader wouldn't have surrendered to them. If your war leader is desperate to surrender, you need it to surrender to the opposition leader, and that means making the opposition leader the most amenable of its side to peace.
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Rubbish is polite way of putting it. You are right.

I honoured the alliance when France called for help only because it's always 'Impossible' to form an alliance with a Great Power, so didn't want to break it. Now I wish I had ignored them. Also, being part of a previous Great War turned out well for my country, it received some free colonies.

Italy attacked France to 'Contain France' earlier in the current war. I ignored that call for help, and when France Capitulated to Italy, I think that's when it got disarmed. My country didn't get disarmed at that point even though it was still fighting with France, just not against Italy. Later, it offered to re-ally and I accepted, still thinking alliances were a good thing, not a mistake. I wasn't yet aware of the AHD APD process where a GP will repeatedly declare war on rebels which is done as a workaround to get its allies into the ongoing Great War. I thought it was some kind of bug when those messages kept popping up so had started ignoring them. Now I will ignore them because I know what they mean, they are dangerous.

The game I'm in is completely ruined, France has Capitulated several more times and each time it does, more of my armies disappear. I'm down to 2 brigades, expect them to disappear next time France Capitulates, so have no way of fighting off an invasion, or if even one rebel revolts I won't be able to deal with it. The reason I haven't quit is, the enemy War Leader has 54% WE (mine is 0%), Capitulated to some minor country at some point so its own troops are disappearing just like mine are, and is undergoing a massive fascist revolt, and the War Score is still strongly against it, so I'm hoping it will Capitulate.

Next time, if I'm stupid enough to join another Great War after seeing how it works, can I do this as a workaround: join the war, then cancel my alliance with the war leader. Don't re-sign the alliance during the war, just get military access so I can help them. Since we no longer have an alliance, if/when they Capitulate to each and every one of our enemies, will my country still get disarmed? I don't want to risk it again, even though there are benefits to being in a Great War, as long as your War Leader doesn't Capitulate on your behalf.
 
what's the point of the "puppet" casus belli? Isn't it better to establish a protectorate and take the territory for yourself?
 
sad king billy said:
what's the point of the "puppet" casus belli? Isn't it better to establish a protectorate and take the territory for yourself?
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It is mainly about infamy. The base infamy for puppet is 7 vs. 11. There is also no real limits to the number of states that the target nation controls. I made a puppet out of the Ottoman Empire at one point (basically its starting borders - Bosnia + its Egyptian cores). I was playing Austria.

Once when you have a puppet only you can modify your relations with the country so really only you can goto 200 relations while other countries have to either get an event to modify relations or the +20 relations bump you get by stepping up your opinion. This makes it much easier to put a puppet country into your SoI and defend it.

After you puppet a country and add it to your SoI you basically have states that can't vote and are just pillaged for their resources. The puppet will also fight with you during wars,though AI controlled.

I don't think many generate the puppet CB. Later in the game if you have investments in a country and that country has a socialist or communist revolution the AI will often decide to use the "seize the means of production" decision. This gives you a free puppet CB on that country and that country JUST went through a revolution so all their diplomacy is reset (no allies etc). Basically you can gain control over some resources late game pretty cheaply.
 
Any good ways to make other countries remove you from a sphere of influence? I'm in France's now and it sucks. They are taking every little drop of fuel I am making, and I make A LOT. Meanwhile I am cordial with the USA. How can I make them get me out of the sphere? Or England? Any good tips? It says England has a lot more influence, but we are only friendly. Will it happen autmaticly if I reach 200 relations with the USA? And they have more influence?
As I said. Any good tips?
 
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