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I suppose a no-fly zone goes hand in hand with a naval blockade, as both aim at achieving isolation. In my opinion, an intervention should free Montenegro, Desert Storm like, it'd look bad on us if we outright invaded Serbia... There also should be a large dose of cloak & dagger stuff in order to get a more friendly government in Serbia. That's my $0.02.
My heart goes with you in this hour of sadness
On another issue, what became of the ruling houses of Spain and Holland? I suppose they have some sort of symbolical status
Not to mention the Royalty of Belgium and the Grand Duke of Luxembourg. Although not nearly as important ofc. My guess is that they're all still happily running around playing king and queen of their own ''province''.
European Senate
First High Level Talks on Montenegro between Senate Factions
01:45 Paris Time
October 18 2003
President Kohler was sitting at the head of the table like he had done for the last four hours. What had started out the night before, had dragged on into the early hours and although it was all at the familiar Château de Rambouillet, it was all still rather discomforting. This was one of the State Residences, as they had become referred too. It was more akin to the laughter of children from ministers and officials from across Europe on visit, or the jokes of old friends at the expense of their rivals, maybe even the odd visit by a dignitary which naturally brought out celebration in the manor and the locals. It was not a place for debates and talk of war and calamity. He swore while the debates raged that he would never soil this place again with such things.
Château de Rambouillet
He shifted around in his chair, the dark brown leather making a quiet sound vaguely embarrassing, though hardly audible over the ongoing debate between the Senators and the Chancellor. With his hair a mess from agonizing internal discussions, and the occasional running of his hand through his hair to scratch at his neck when he had come to a decision, and then reversed it along a new train of thought.
Across the room, Zapatero still looked flustered in his seat with his eyes darting wildly between Senator Andcus Kahlke, who had taken it upon himself to be the voice of the moderates and the diplomatic branch of the Senate, and Senator Santiago, who was up in arms for the pro-war faction. With a trickle of sweat running down his forehead as he sat in the dark leather chair, he moved to bury his head in his hands. In doing so, Zapatero briefly exposed the darkened shirt around his neck and the loosened blue and white checkered tie, undoubtedly a sweat ridden mess.
"You know as well as I do that time is running out for Montenegro! We have to be quick and decisive at this moment. Serbia, and her anything but official allies in the Coalition of Nations are applauding themselves as a sovereign state has been subjugated to their will. The very fact that we are debating the necessity to intervene is a cause for them to rejoice. While we sit here round a glass table debating and arguing, they dine and celebrate in the capital of Montenegro. It is an insult to Europe, and insult to the people!" Senator Santiago exclaimed, glaring hard with his chestnut eyes at Zapatero and Kahlke.
It had been quite some time since Santiago had removed his tie and jacket, and both rested neatly on the corner of his chair, listening in to the goings of an empire. Nonetheless, he still looked quite the leader. His white shirt was slightly undone at the collar, the air of formality having evaporated at least two hours ago. His short black hair had still managed to keep its posture however, standing on guard and at the ready along the length of his forehead, before falling back into the ranks of hairs lying flat on his head. Unlike Zapatero however, he was missing the streak of sweat running down his tanned skin.
Across from him, Senator Kahlke raised his voice once more. With his jacket and tie still holding fast, and with a slight adjustment of the thin rimmed glasses he stood. The glasses distracted Kohler for a moment. He quite liked them. Without the rim around the bottom of the lens' and then the thin black rim running along the top, it gave the Senator a look of sophistication in his suit, and went well with his blue eyes and neatly trimmed brown hair.
"You simply do not understand, do you? Any assault by us to liberate Montenegro will only alienate Serbia, and the rest of the Balkan states farther from us - and drive them into the open arms of the Russians. Everyone knows Croatia is looking at Slovenia with a hungry stomach. Do we want another state running to Russia for aid? And what happens when we go into Serbia without international support? I doubt Russia or the United States will react well, and that's putting it delicately." He raised his voice towards the end.
Serbian Military personnel man a check point in Podgorica as it comes under a brief attack by Montenegrin holdouts.
"The best course of action is clearly to save European lives, time, and money from some expedition into Serbia like this is some bygone era of gallivanting heroics. Montenegro got along fine in Yugoslavia, and they'll get along fine in Serbia. If we have to act, then let the Eastern states act for us. We can easily reach an agreement with Poland and the Ukraine for their Coalition to intervene. At that point, we step in to negotiate and emerge the victors, having not wasted a drop of sweat or blood and gaining all the credit." He said, as if it was such a simple affair.
"No, I can't do that. They'll soon be in enough trouble with Russia." Kohler said, looking squarely at Kahlke. "And no I can't explain that statement with a Senator." he added, dispelling the curious look the man gave.
"Well then let's at least figure out what we do agree on." Zapatero said, undoubtedly eager to head back to his room. "If we can at least sort that out for a moment, then we might be able to make some progress." He lifted his head from his hands as he finished.
"I believe we have agreed to proceed with the embargo, as per the bill before the Senate. As for the naval blockade and no fly zone, that too seems to be acceptable for everyone. Correct?" asked the President as he glanced between the three men opposite him. All nods of agreement.
"Good. In that case, I will pass along the orders when the bill has passed. Kahlke, I trust you to keep your people in check." He said with a quick glance. "And you, Santiago, I trust that you will lull the interventionists. No matter what happens, we will not be toppling the government of Serbia. It's too damn messy, and we can't afford the diplomatic fallout."
"That still leaves open the option for a limited mission, Sir." Interjected Senator Santiago rather hesitantly. The room went silent for a moment as all the men noted the President's statement. Zapatero raised his head from it's still rather slouched position to an upright curiosity. Kahlke too looked rather concerned for a moment.
"I will not rule out a limited intervention, should the Senate push for such a motion. You will however, receive no support from my Cabinet in the matter and you will have the socialists and the progressives in the Senate to contend with." He said flatly before glancing at Kahlke. "And do not take that as a message of support. I was elected a member of the Conservative League." he added, looking at Zapatero for a moment.
"Chancellor, if I may have a word in private while this meeting is adjourned." He said, gesturing to the two Senators.
Naturally, Kahlke walked away deflated from the arrangement. He had received limited support from Zapatero, contrary to his expectations. The Chancellor had stood by for much of the meeting while Santiago had attacked his policies and suggestions. The voice of the second most powerful man in Europe should have been brought to his side and guided the President, but Zapatero had refused to take on a conflicting agenda. It kept him where he was.
On the other hand, Senator Santiago left with new confidence. An alliance in the Senate between the Conservative League, and the European League for Action could easily be arranged, and that would bring them to a standoff with the Progressives and Socialists for the rest of the year, and for the coming election. Not only that, but it seemed to him that the President had given a limited support to the intervention. At the very least he had done little to refuse his proposals, though he had complained about several Senators comments - mostly about a proposed invasion and outright annexation of Montenegro, Serbia and Kosovo into the European Union. If anything, the debate had strengthened his own position in the Senate, bringing him to the forefront of his party, and undoubtedly helping his own electorate of Madrid in the elections next year.
Despite the powers of the President in foreign policy, the Senate was still the main force of power at home. The position of the Chancellor, as head of the Senate's largest party and with responsibility for domestic policy, often leads to a very complicated relationship in the government.
As the two men left the room, Kahlke with papers and proposals under one arm while Santiago left with a jacket hung over his shoulder and a tie tucked inside one of its sleeves, Kohler looked hard at Zapatero. "Chancellor, I know the answer to this question and were I not required to ask this, I would not bother. But, what is the position of the Senate and Chancellery on this matter?"
"Truthfully Sir, the Senate is split. While the Conservatives and League for Action had been split by several issues before it seems that they have put their differences aside for now. With that done, they have almost three quarters the total number of seats of the Socialists and Progressives. Given some other support by tertiary parties I would say that ..." Zapatero paused for a moment, considering what he might say.
"I would say that the Senate is at an impasse. Any action that is to be taken during the situation must come directly from the office of the President." The confession hung in the air, like the terrible news of the death of a relative or some other god awful tragedy.
This had never happened before. The President was always meant to follow the will of the Senate and listen to the advice of the Chancellor. When the President and Chancellor were of the same party, then naturally said party dominated the political scene of the nation, with the Chancellor largely focused on domestic issues (except in a crises) while the President looked abroad and gave his approval of changes at home, rarely intervening. The last Senatorial elections had divided the offices and now with a Conservative President, a Socialist Chancellor and a fractured Senate, the discretion to act traveled up the chain of command until it was resting at his feet. The fact that this was even an issue for the European Union, was an issue that would undoubtedly be raised for reform in the coming election.
President Kohler pushed himself up from his chair and turned so that his back was facing Zapatero. Looking out the window behind him, he could hardly see anything. Just the reflection of an old man, tired and eager to leave politics with a good legacy in the following year. "Chancellor, I love my country. Not many people can say that they had hoped for this Union, but I had hoped since I had aspirations. Now I feel compelled to drag her into a war. Our first since the Summer War. I hope you are never put in a position to decide such a thing."
"I hope so too, Sir." Zapatero added. Looking at the back of Kohler, and quite unsure of what was coming.
"If we intervene in Serbia now, then it will either sate the appetites of the people or what's will drive them into a blood rage. It is a dangerous precedent Jose. This whole business is dangerous."
They stood there in silence for several moments. Each thinking about the future and the inherent dangers it held for them. For Europe. It would not be easy, but if she could fight her way through, the rewards for Europe could be boundless.
"The Senate will pass a limited intervention measure." Kohler concluded, nodding gently as he thought to himself.
"Get me Henri."
The Henri referred to is Henri Bentegeat, the Chief of Staff for the President and Chancellor of the Senate. Just to avoid confusion on that.
As for the rest of it, I imagine this will raise some questions about the political nature of the EU. In this regard, it is quite a fair bit like Germany. The President has a limited role at home, and mostly follows or compromises with the Chancellor of the Senate in domestic policy, as the Chancellor can fall prey to a non-confidence vote during the 5 year terms served by a government. Outside of domestic policy, the President is in control of Foreign Policy. He is also the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, but requires Senate approval for a deployment overseas or domestically. This form of governance falls into conflict when the Chancellor - who even though he focuses on domestic policy, is still a major influence on policy as he represents the Senate to the President - is unable to make a recommendation for policy while the Senate is so divided.
I was trying to work it out in my head, but this is generally what I came up with. It will probably be reformed to be simpler at some point soon. Might turn out more like the US model, or I might keep this model if people like the idea of it.
First High Level Talks on Montenegro between Senate Factions
01:45 Paris Time
October 18 2003
President Kohler was sitting at the head of the table like he had done for the last four hours. What had started out the night before, had dragged on into the early hours and although it was all at the familiar Château de Rambouillet, it was all still rather discomforting. This was one of the State Residences, as they had become referred too. It was more akin to the laughter of children from ministers and officials from across Europe on visit, or the jokes of old friends at the expense of their rivals, maybe even the odd visit by a dignitary which naturally brought out celebration in the manor and the locals. It was not a place for debates and talk of war and calamity. He swore while the debates raged that he would never soil this place again with such things.
Château de Rambouillet
He shifted around in his chair, the dark brown leather making a quiet sound vaguely embarrassing, though hardly audible over the ongoing debate between the Senators and the Chancellor. With his hair a mess from agonizing internal discussions, and the occasional running of his hand through his hair to scratch at his neck when he had come to a decision, and then reversed it along a new train of thought.
Across the room, Zapatero still looked flustered in his seat with his eyes darting wildly between Senator Andcus Kahlke, who had taken it upon himself to be the voice of the moderates and the diplomatic branch of the Senate, and Senator Santiago, who was up in arms for the pro-war faction. With a trickle of sweat running down his forehead as he sat in the dark leather chair, he moved to bury his head in his hands. In doing so, Zapatero briefly exposed the darkened shirt around his neck and the loosened blue and white checkered tie, undoubtedly a sweat ridden mess.
"You know as well as I do that time is running out for Montenegro! We have to be quick and decisive at this moment. Serbia, and her anything but official allies in the Coalition of Nations are applauding themselves as a sovereign state has been subjugated to their will. The very fact that we are debating the necessity to intervene is a cause for them to rejoice. While we sit here round a glass table debating and arguing, they dine and celebrate in the capital of Montenegro. It is an insult to Europe, and insult to the people!" Senator Santiago exclaimed, glaring hard with his chestnut eyes at Zapatero and Kahlke.
It had been quite some time since Santiago had removed his tie and jacket, and both rested neatly on the corner of his chair, listening in to the goings of an empire. Nonetheless, he still looked quite the leader. His white shirt was slightly undone at the collar, the air of formality having evaporated at least two hours ago. His short black hair had still managed to keep its posture however, standing on guard and at the ready along the length of his forehead, before falling back into the ranks of hairs lying flat on his head. Unlike Zapatero however, he was missing the streak of sweat running down his tanned skin.
Across from him, Senator Kahlke raised his voice once more. With his jacket and tie still holding fast, and with a slight adjustment of the thin rimmed glasses he stood. The glasses distracted Kohler for a moment. He quite liked them. Without the rim around the bottom of the lens' and then the thin black rim running along the top, it gave the Senator a look of sophistication in his suit, and went well with his blue eyes and neatly trimmed brown hair.
"You simply do not understand, do you? Any assault by us to liberate Montenegro will only alienate Serbia, and the rest of the Balkan states farther from us - and drive them into the open arms of the Russians. Everyone knows Croatia is looking at Slovenia with a hungry stomach. Do we want another state running to Russia for aid? And what happens when we go into Serbia without international support? I doubt Russia or the United States will react well, and that's putting it delicately." He raised his voice towards the end.
Serbian Military personnel man a check point in Podgorica as it comes under a brief attack by Montenegrin holdouts.
"The best course of action is clearly to save European lives, time, and money from some expedition into Serbia like this is some bygone era of gallivanting heroics. Montenegro got along fine in Yugoslavia, and they'll get along fine in Serbia. If we have to act, then let the Eastern states act for us. We can easily reach an agreement with Poland and the Ukraine for their Coalition to intervene. At that point, we step in to negotiate and emerge the victors, having not wasted a drop of sweat or blood and gaining all the credit." He said, as if it was such a simple affair.
"No, I can't do that. They'll soon be in enough trouble with Russia." Kohler said, looking squarely at Kahlke. "And no I can't explain that statement with a Senator." he added, dispelling the curious look the man gave.
"Well then let's at least figure out what we do agree on." Zapatero said, undoubtedly eager to head back to his room. "If we can at least sort that out for a moment, then we might be able to make some progress." He lifted his head from his hands as he finished.
"I believe we have agreed to proceed with the embargo, as per the bill before the Senate. As for the naval blockade and no fly zone, that too seems to be acceptable for everyone. Correct?" asked the President as he glanced between the three men opposite him. All nods of agreement.
"Good. In that case, I will pass along the orders when the bill has passed. Kahlke, I trust you to keep your people in check." He said with a quick glance. "And you, Santiago, I trust that you will lull the interventionists. No matter what happens, we will not be toppling the government of Serbia. It's too damn messy, and we can't afford the diplomatic fallout."
"That still leaves open the option for a limited mission, Sir." Interjected Senator Santiago rather hesitantly. The room went silent for a moment as all the men noted the President's statement. Zapatero raised his head from it's still rather slouched position to an upright curiosity. Kahlke too looked rather concerned for a moment.
"I will not rule out a limited intervention, should the Senate push for such a motion. You will however, receive no support from my Cabinet in the matter and you will have the socialists and the progressives in the Senate to contend with." He said flatly before glancing at Kahlke. "And do not take that as a message of support. I was elected a member of the Conservative League." he added, looking at Zapatero for a moment.
"Chancellor, if I may have a word in private while this meeting is adjourned." He said, gesturing to the two Senators.
Naturally, Kahlke walked away deflated from the arrangement. He had received limited support from Zapatero, contrary to his expectations. The Chancellor had stood by for much of the meeting while Santiago had attacked his policies and suggestions. The voice of the second most powerful man in Europe should have been brought to his side and guided the President, but Zapatero had refused to take on a conflicting agenda. It kept him where he was.
On the other hand, Senator Santiago left with new confidence. An alliance in the Senate between the Conservative League, and the European League for Action could easily be arranged, and that would bring them to a standoff with the Progressives and Socialists for the rest of the year, and for the coming election. Not only that, but it seemed to him that the President had given a limited support to the intervention. At the very least he had done little to refuse his proposals, though he had complained about several Senators comments - mostly about a proposed invasion and outright annexation of Montenegro, Serbia and Kosovo into the European Union. If anything, the debate had strengthened his own position in the Senate, bringing him to the forefront of his party, and undoubtedly helping his own electorate of Madrid in the elections next year.
Despite the powers of the President in foreign policy, the Senate was still the main force of power at home. The position of the Chancellor, as head of the Senate's largest party and with responsibility for domestic policy, often leads to a very complicated relationship in the government.
As the two men left the room, Kahlke with papers and proposals under one arm while Santiago left with a jacket hung over his shoulder and a tie tucked inside one of its sleeves, Kohler looked hard at Zapatero. "Chancellor, I know the answer to this question and were I not required to ask this, I would not bother. But, what is the position of the Senate and Chancellery on this matter?"
"Truthfully Sir, the Senate is split. While the Conservatives and League for Action had been split by several issues before it seems that they have put their differences aside for now. With that done, they have almost three quarters the total number of seats of the Socialists and Progressives. Given some other support by tertiary parties I would say that ..." Zapatero paused for a moment, considering what he might say.
"I would say that the Senate is at an impasse. Any action that is to be taken during the situation must come directly from the office of the President." The confession hung in the air, like the terrible news of the death of a relative or some other god awful tragedy.
This had never happened before. The President was always meant to follow the will of the Senate and listen to the advice of the Chancellor. When the President and Chancellor were of the same party, then naturally said party dominated the political scene of the nation, with the Chancellor largely focused on domestic issues (except in a crises) while the President looked abroad and gave his approval of changes at home, rarely intervening. The last Senatorial elections had divided the offices and now with a Conservative President, a Socialist Chancellor and a fractured Senate, the discretion to act traveled up the chain of command until it was resting at his feet. The fact that this was even an issue for the European Union, was an issue that would undoubtedly be raised for reform in the coming election.
President Kohler pushed himself up from his chair and turned so that his back was facing Zapatero. Looking out the window behind him, he could hardly see anything. Just the reflection of an old man, tired and eager to leave politics with a good legacy in the following year. "Chancellor, I love my country. Not many people can say that they had hoped for this Union, but I had hoped since I had aspirations. Now I feel compelled to drag her into a war. Our first since the Summer War. I hope you are never put in a position to decide such a thing."
"I hope so too, Sir." Zapatero added. Looking at the back of Kohler, and quite unsure of what was coming.
"If we intervene in Serbia now, then it will either sate the appetites of the people or what's will drive them into a blood rage. It is a dangerous precedent Jose. This whole business is dangerous."
They stood there in silence for several moments. Each thinking about the future and the inherent dangers it held for them. For Europe. It would not be easy, but if she could fight her way through, the rewards for Europe could be boundless.
"The Senate will pass a limited intervention measure." Kohler concluded, nodding gently as he thought to himself.
"Get me Henri."
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So, a lot of reading for this one.The Henri referred to is Henri Bentegeat, the Chief of Staff for the President and Chancellor of the Senate. Just to avoid confusion on that.
As for the rest of it, I imagine this will raise some questions about the political nature of the EU. In this regard, it is quite a fair bit like Germany. The President has a limited role at home, and mostly follows or compromises with the Chancellor of the Senate in domestic policy, as the Chancellor can fall prey to a non-confidence vote during the 5 year terms served by a government. Outside of domestic policy, the President is in control of Foreign Policy. He is also the Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, but requires Senate approval for a deployment overseas or domestically. This form of governance falls into conflict when the Chancellor - who even though he focuses on domestic policy, is still a major influence on policy as he represents the Senate to the President - is unable to make a recommendation for policy while the Senate is so divided.
I was trying to work it out in my head, but this is generally what I came up with. It will probably be reformed to be simpler at some point soon. Might turn out more like the US model, or I might keep this model if people like the idea of it.
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Goodie, and here we go!
*Works to create enough chaos to divert attention to the EU's intervention*
*Works to create enough chaos to divert attention to the EU's intervention*
i've along time lurker of this aar and i must say that it is very intresting and very well written!
count me in
regards
guy montag
count me in
regards
guy montag
Awesome update (loving all the politics)
Expect an uproar in the senate if the War Party gets their direct intervention!!! (i will allow embargoes)
Oh and let me just get this straight.
The Chancellor is elected by the senate and the President is elected by the people?
(loving all the politics)Expect an uproar in the senate if the War Party gets their direct intervention!!! (i will allow embargoes)
Oh and let me just get this straight.
The Chancellor is elected by the senate and the President is elected by the people?
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this update kinda leaves me... confused
will this lead to the president intervening and acting on the side of the pro war faction?
from what it sounds like the president has the nuclear button or is it dual key president/chancellor?
and how many nukes do the europeans have?
will this lead to the president intervening and acting on the side of the pro war faction?
from what it sounds like the president has the nuclear button or is it dual key president/chancellor?
and how many nukes do the europeans have?
Great update! I loved the descriptions, the politics, the EU's sistem and so on.... Specially how Köhler felt that his residence was somehow 'violated' with all that debate
One very tiiiny thing, Zapatero (who seems to be lacking a bit of backbone) is named José Luis, not Juan
One very tiiiny thing, Zapatero (who seems to be lacking a bit of backbone) is named José Luis, not Juan
Traitor? Brothers, they call us TRAITORS now. But it was us who were betrayed by our 'allies'! But now finally the veil of lies has been lifted from your eyes, and you see the glory of our ULTIMATE allies, Russians and Americans.
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I don't know how will you inforce your blocade. Serbia's main traiding partners should be Russia, America and the rest of the alliance, and I don't know how do you intend to stop ships bearing American or Russian flags withouth provoking an incident.
Same problem with no fly zone. Americans were able to enforce it from Arabian and Turkish airfields. But Itally is not in your alliance, and might refuse usage of it's airports, so you would be stuck with keepeng a carrier or two 24/7 in the Adriatic, and that's discounting possibility that Serb airforce do something fancy, since they are not bad. And on top it all by keeping carriers in a small region, you are risking Russians or Americans smugling to the Serbs some antishiping weapons for 'evaluation', so you could VERRY easily loos that carrier, because it should be in range of shore-ship missiles.
ANd on top of it all, allmost 50% of population is proSerb, and large quantity of the rest of it is pro Russian, so even a land invasion would face ressistance from the people.
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I don't know how will you inforce your blocade. Serbia's main traiding partners should be Russia, America and the rest of the alliance, and I don't know how do you intend to stop ships bearing American or Russian flags withouth provoking an incident.
Same problem with no fly zone. Americans were able to enforce it from Arabian and Turkish airfields. But Itally is not in your alliance, and might refuse usage of it's airports, so you would be stuck with keepeng a carrier or two 24/7 in the Adriatic, and that's discounting possibility that Serb airforce do something fancy, since they are not bad. And on top it all by keeping carriers in a small region, you are risking Russians or Americans smugling to the Serbs some antishiping weapons for 'evaluation', so you could VERRY easily loos that carrier, because it should be in range of shore-ship missiles.
ANd on top of it all, allmost 50% of population is proSerb, and large quantity of the rest of it is pro Russian, so even a land invasion would face ressistance from the people.
Rafales and Entendards vs Mig-22s, J-22s and a few Mig-29s? I call this in favour of the EU. But true, the russians have already pledged weaponry to Serbia. The aircraft carriers would just have to trust in the CIWS and anti-missile systems aboard the modern european ships (which are quite good tbh)
It may very well get incredibly messy ...
i've along time lurker of this aar and i must say that it is very intresting and very well written!
count me in
regards
guy montag
Thanks!
Awesome update
Expect an uproar in the senate if the War Party gets their direct intervention!!! (i will allow embargoes)
Oh and let me just get this straight.
The Chancellor is elected by the senate and the President is elected by the people?
So we have a compromise on the embargo, blockade and no fly zone?
As for your question, the Chancellor is from the largest political party or coalition within the Senate and he is in control of domestic policy. His job is also to advise the President on the will of the Senate. Senatorial elections are held every 2 years with midterm elections occurring between the Presidential term, while Presidential elections are held every 4 years.
In this capacity, the President's role is to guide the nation against the world, while the Chancellor is to guide the nation from within. Naturally, around Presidential elections, a Chancellery candidate and a Presidential candidate will pair a Foreign and Domestic policy.
In his foreign capacity, the Chancellor has very limited powers. He has no control over the Army, Navy or Air Force and must seek Presidential approval for a deployment of the Guardia Europa which is essentially, the national guard. He is granted rights to meet with foreign delegations on certain issues save for matters of defence and alignment with International Alliances - though he may make recommendations to the President based on the will of the Senate. In the event of the death of a President or a crisis where the President is unable to utilize his authority, the Chancellor is escalated to President and the Senate must nominate a Chancellor in his stead.
In his domestic capacity, the President is mostly just meant to pass the laws of the Senate, though he can veto Bills that he deems unconstitutional and refer them to the Brussels High Court for determination. He is also granted some emergency powers in the event of civil unrest or assassination of the Chancellor. Enacting such powers would be highly controversial and has yet to be done, but such emergency powers enable the President to authour, propose, and pass bills that go beyond the constitutional jurisdiction of the Senate and Chancellor. At the conclusion of such a period whereby these laws are enacted however, he is bound by law to call an election and prior to said election, justify his actions before the Brussels High Court who will decide whether his or her actions were justified and allow him to run in the election, whether it was unjustified and ban him from running for political office, or if it was unjustified and he or she abused their power, at which point they would be banned from office and charged with high treason.
In the event that a crisis renders the President and Chancellor incapacitated, then the Senate is obliged to elect a President and Chancellor from among its members who will inherit the powers of their predecessors.
President Kohler was not actually endorsing the Pro-War faction, but from what he said, it can easily be interpreted as such by both sides.
The President is in control of nuclear ordnance. The Chancellor has no control over such things. The President is meant to consult with the Chief of Staff, Chief Marshal of the Army, Chief Admiral of the Navy, Chief Air Marshal of the Air Force, and the Armed Services Bureau for their recommendations before he makes a decision however. This is merely protocol however, and no laws actually govern the process.
As for how many nukes we have, I believe it currently stands at 1 produced since March of 03. I'm not sure, but I don't think the MDS team gave Russia their thousands of nukes, and the US their hundreds. I think that every nation starts off producing their first nuke without any others.
Thanks!
Darn, where did I call him Juan?
I have double checked, and both my strike fighters and long range fighters are capable of striking anywhere within Serbia. That said however, Podgorica is not a province with a beach in game, so that means an airborne assault is inevitable - if a ground force is deployed. As an added bonus, my naval bombers stationed in Portugal can strike at the Serbian harbour in Podgorica. They currently have 3 frigates in their navy and around 10 air craft in their inventory.
As for the naval blockade, I have very little intention of diverting carriers to deal with Serbia, a large force of submarines and naval patrol aircraft should do just fine in my opinion. As for resistance from the people, Montenegrin-Serbian relations are a lot worse than in OTL. Montenegro views Serbia as oppressors and as thugs for riots and protests in Beograde over a justified arrest within Montenegrin territory - or so they maintain. Given that, and an invasion that was ruthless and destructive and I'm sure we'll have a much more co-operative populace. Add in that Serbia is support by Russia heavily, while Russia abandons Montenegro and you have only worsened slavic relations. Given America's involvement in supporting Serbia as well, support for Europe should be quite high.
A large part of the forces in use would actually be Eurofighter Typhoons. Given the more urgent atmosphere of this world and a much more integrated and United Europe, I can see the Eurofighter as already having been in production for about a year. That production time, coupled with Europe's powerhouse states gives the EU a definite air advantage over the Serbians who seem to be using mostly Late Cold War gear.
Next update, will come some time tomorrow probably.
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By the way, as a side note, I've finally given the Nordic Union their own unique flag.
After staring at the Swedish flag everytime I clicked on them, I finally put together this beauty.
I decided on using the blue and white Scandinavian cross, with a layer of 'Nordic War Flag' thrown in for good measure and to keep them sufficiently threatening. Still working on the flags rather than the shield, and unfortunately I can't copy the MDS style for flags and shields unless someone knows a way I could manage ... ?
EDIT 2 :
I figured out how to make the MDS style ones (kinda) so I've uploaded the new shield so everyone can see it.
I've also got the new flag done as well after editing one of the MDS ones.
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This AAR is shaping up very nicely, I should think you will have little issue with Serbia's airforce.
Perhaps it would be an idea to distract their airforce with an amphibious landing then paradrop onto each airport province to annihilate the remainder of their air capability?
The only forseeable issue will be a mico-Yugo situation popping up.
I can't wait to see the next installment!
Perhaps it would be an idea to distract their airforce with an amphibious landing then paradrop onto each airport province to annihilate the remainder of their air capability?
The only forseeable issue will be a mico-Yugo situation popping up.
I can't wait to see the next installment!
4th paragraph from the bottom: "If we intervene in Serbia now, then it will either sate the appetites of the people or what's will drive them into a blood rage. It is a dangerous precedent Juan. This whole business is dangerous."
Acceptable. As long as a diplomatic solution is kept open and negotiations with all parties in the conflict continues.
Hi TemplarComander!
I just started reading this and almos finished it, but I must say that, from the very beginning to now, this is quite an epic AAR!
Please, don't tell me that you are going to pick these periods as elections! It should be like in France (until quite recently, where President Jacques Chirac changed everything) where presidential elections are made every 7 years and legislative elections are made every 5 years. It should at least be a bit irregular because having the Chancellor and the President from the same party - even if it is for half a term for the President - is kind of anti-democratic, where opposing parties have to cohabilitate.
Please, mod that. It is unrealistic!!!!!!
Also, when elections start, who will vote? Us?
Why is almost every important European character, either Spanish or German?I want to see more French, Belgium, Dutch, Portuguese and Luxembourgian people here!!!!
And lastly, why is the capital of the European Union in Brussels or Strasbourg or Luxemburg? Once again, it is unrealistic.
I just started reading this and almos finished it, but I must say that, from the very beginning to now, this is quite an epic AAR!
Please, don't tell me that you are going to pick these periods as elections! It should be like in France (until quite recently, where President Jacques Chirac changed everything) where presidential elections are made every 7 years and legislative elections are made every 5 years. It should at least be a bit irregular because having the Chancellor and the President from the same party - even if it is for half a term for the President - is kind of anti-democratic, where opposing parties have to cohabilitate.
Please, mod that. It is unrealistic!!!!!!
Also, when elections start, who will vote? Us?
Why is almost every important European character, either Spanish or German?I want to see more French, Belgium, Dutch, Portuguese and Luxembourgian people here!!!!
And lastly, why is the capital of the European Union in Brussels or Strasbourg or Luxemburg? Once again, it is unrealistic.
Their only airport province is Beograde, which is definitely garrisoned. My air force can easily take air superiority and I'm confident of their ability to bomb any ground forces into the stone age - if need be.
The question is, what is the Serbian reaction to Euro intervention?
Fixed. Thanks!
Not really. It's like the square that has the cross in the Greek flag except a different shade of blue and stretched
Wonderful.
#1 - Thanks!
#2 - I was basing my 2 and 4 years off of the American democratic system. Whether some readers will call this a betrayal (
) or see it as reasonable I'm not sure. I can easily change it as the election's haven't been called yet. As for the election periods, what are other peoples opinions ? 5 and 7? 2 and 4? 5 for both unless the government falls?#3 - I'm not sure how I would mod that, but I'll take a look. Shouldn't be too difficult.
#4 - As for who will vote, I'm trying to decide. While I value the readers opinions and requests, this isn't an interactive AAR. That said, it may wind up with the readers voting on a party. All of these parties will ultimately be under my control, and Presidential candidates most likely won't be chosen from characters based on readers. Whether that is the same for the Chancellor, and if the readers will vote for the next government, is being decided.
#5 - There are more nationalities coming soon. Expect the Dutch and French to show up soon.
If it is the will of the people to have the president and chancellor from the same party, so be it!
TC will get to those in the future, I believe.
The European Communities were established in Brussels in 1967.
The Council of Europe had been at done at Strasbourg in 1957.
Court of Justice of the EU? It was in the form of the Court of Justice of the European Coal and Steel Communities, Luxembourg, in 1952.
Given that the EU needs traditions, it would most likely keep the basic institutions in place at their original location, hence why the political centers would be split into the three cities.
That said, realized that Paris is the capital of this EU. That so reminds me of the European Federation of Tom Clancy's Endwar :rofl:
An idea for elections could be 4 for senate and 4 for president. So 2004 would be Senate elections, 2006 Presidential Elections, 2008 Senate Elections, 2010 Presidential Elections and so on.
Not that Templar has had any experience with EndWar
Not that Templar has had any experience with EndWar
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