[Dies Irae: Götterdämmerung] Report thread

[Corelli]

I'm playing as Japan (I find it hard to play as Germany now without Di:G!) and my 7 subs there were chewing up the Chinese convoy system. I think they were down to only a few left by the time I took all their coastal provinces.

I too would love to have the ability to hand out conquered territories, like you could in HoI 2, to your allies. Since that is not part of the design though, I don't think it will work with Di:G but would need a change from Paradox. I did however have the event choice to give Mengkukuo some extra conquered territories I had taken. I don't know if this had anything to do with the new war goals feature or not.

[GFDP]

I can not play Germany in FtM w/o DIG.

Germany is just too blaa without DIG

Come on patch!!

[Chromius]

I have one question. I rely a lot on the statistics page to build a balanced army, (easier than the pie chart, especially for knowing what types and numbers of support brigades) and since there are too many units to fit on the default page is there a way for me to mod my interface on widescreen to see more, or has FTM added anything to address that issue? And if I missed a post on this please point it out.

[comsubpac]

I have one question. I rely a lot on the statistics page to build a balanced army, (easier than the pie chart, especially for knowing what types and numbers of support brigades) and since there are too many units to fit on the default page is there a way for me to mod my interface on widescreen to see more, or has FTM added anything to address that issue? And if I missed a post on this please point it out.

no.

[Chromius]

comsubpac,

Thankyou for that solid answer, it was quite helpful.

[Danielefc]

@Devildread - has the danish freecorps been completely removed? Really it should only be made smaller

[Devildread]

- We can't mod the statistic pages, only PI can
- Please give me an OOB for Danish Free Corps then, I thought someone told me to delete it because it was only a few companies (less than a brigade)
- We can't mod give away of territory, only scripted ones (like mengkukuo) so this is not worth the effort (we don't want a decision for every bit of land we could take do we?)

Even if FTM feels empty compared to DI:G, I would really like some Eastern Front reports in FTM, about winter attrition, combat difficulty and supply situation. The more reports the quicker you will have DI:G.

[mrsmith00]

Just finished a hands off game, as usual, Germany smases the Soviets in a year and a bit. It might because of the changes to the org regen.

[BattleMoose]

So tried another 1936 game and ran into the exact same supply issue for my panzer divisions in Southern SU. This time was with the standard HOI3 SF install and the beta patch for DI (I think, followed the install instructions anyway and a lot of files got copied over).

Curiously, I didn't have any supply issues in in central and northern front, where my panzers were operating for the first few months of my offensive, only when I started to cut off the SU armies, along the Romanian border. Romania at this point not in the war.

Basically, somehow, I was using 9000 fuel, a Day!

I had about 30 panzer divisions, 3 medium panzer brigades and 1 motorised infantry brigade in each.

So yeah, really not sure what to do about this.

Just started a Japan 1936 SF game.

[Ricox]

I can not play Germany in FtM w/o DIG.

Germany is just too blaa without DIG

Come on patch!!

Facepalm... read the topic before you post. The compability patch is planned for around ~15th July.

[Xerjin]

[QUOTE=Devildread;12574861
- Please give me an OOB for Danish Free Corps then, I thought someone told me to delete it because it was only a few companies (less than a brigade)
QUOTE]

Ok two way to go with this historicly pin point on or otherwise use a bit of common sense and let the player get the best out of it???

1) Historically Freikorps had 8000 danes. but were part of the Norland reg, which had Norwigens and Fini's so we could get this number up over 10000, thats just the SS. Outside of this we have the increased MP and the police network which were danes who did not go to the concentration camps (2000 went so we can asume the same sort of number stayied). Between 1940-43 the 55000 danies in the army were used mainly in 3divs under one HQ with royal life guards. These were under totl german control via danish government. They were used mainly to guard railroad.

2) If we take all of what the German could control, then I would propose this -

Danish standing Army / and non regulars

1 Army corp HQ
with HQ brigade 1000 men,
One inf brigade of 3000 men,
One AA Brigade of whatever,
One Art Brigade of Whatever.

2 Int Div - The Sjaelland Division & The Jutland Division
3 inf regt of 3000
AT Brigade of whatever

Support units
1 Pioneer regt part motorised of whatever
1 Cav Brigade of 3000
1 Eng Brigade of whatever
1 Millita Brigade of whatever
1 Art Brigade of Whatever
1 AA Brigade of whatever


5.SS-Panzer Grenadier Division WIKING

1 Freikorps HQ
HQ brigade of 1000

1 Freikorps Danmark
2 inf Brigades of 3000
1 A/T Briadge of whatever

1 Freikorps Norwigen
2 inf Brigades of 3000
1 A/T Briadge of whatever

1 Freikorps Finnisches Freiwilligen
2 inf Brigades of 3000
1 A/T Briadge of whatever


I have taken the stats from a few pages on the web. I have been liberal in fav of Germans, but it is for DI:E. To be perfectly honest any more than this would be broken, please feel free everyone to rationlise down, if we get agreement here then at least would be sensible to impliment.

Please note this does not include air of naval numbers.

[Narkaz]

Even if FTM feels empty compared to DI:G, I would really like some Eastern Front reports in FTM, about winter attrition, combat difficulty and supply situation. The more reports the quicker you will have DI:G.

I didn't play as Germany yet in FTML but I can say that in my hands off game Germany crushed the USSR in less then 2 years and still had 800+ manpower in stock.

[Corelli]

From the Danish Free Corps wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Corps_Denmark

“It is estimated that between 6,000 and 10,000 Danes served in the Free Corps Denmark during the course of the war.”
“With about 1,000 recruits, the corps was sent to Langenhorn barracks near Hamburg for basic training in late July 1941. It was considered ready for action by September 15 and sent to Owinska in Poland.”

A quick synopsis from the Roger James Bender and Hugh Page Taylor book: Waffen-SS Vol. 3 (a great series of books that gives the history of each of the first 20 or so SS divisions, unfortunately they never completed the series)

The Danes were disillusioned by their treatment by the Germans and when the Waffen SS took over foreign recruitment and units in 1943, only about 2,000 Danes volunteered to soldier on. The Danes and volunteers from Legion Norwegen and Legion Niederlande were put in their own BATTALIONS of the new Regiment Nordland.

With the levying of Germans and Volksdeutsche (who made up 55% of the eventual division), the regiment was expanded to a panzergrenadier division between May and August 1943. This division also included a number of western European volunteers. The division never had more than 12,000 men from all European countries.

So I think Danish Free Corps by itself should never amount to more than an infantry brigade in game terms. However, if you want to include the Norwegian and Netherland army (later SS) units to make one division and maybe rename it “Nordland”, I am all for that.

There were also two Latvian infantry divisions (15th and 19th SS) and an Estonian infantry division (20th SS) formed that fought reliably for Germany. All the divisions gave larger numbers of men than the Western European countries did. They also fought much better than the Ukrainian and Balkan divisions formed in '43/'44.

Just throwing some info out there to muddy up the waters

[Kaarle XII]

1 Freikorps Finnisches Freiwilligen
2 inf Brigades of 3000
1 A/T Briadge of whatever

Waaaaaayy too much. Finland provided just ~one battalion's worth of volunteers. But in any case, it doesn't matter much since they can't be added to the DLC (see Devildread's post a bit higher).

[Xerjin]

Waaaaaayy too much. Finland provided just ~one battalion's worth of volunteers. But in any case, it doesn't matter much since they can't be added to the DLC (see Devildread's post a bit higher).

As I said this is to be rationlised down, and I have over egged it for DI:E. I totally understand that is not totally spot on, but a we arnt tring to be that ridged are we? This is just a game? So on that premise this event could encompise all of the troop recuritment in one go 40-45. So yes agree with historical figures provided but in order to make a OOB and make it worth while having an OOB please surggest what it should be? I created a div per country as less than that wouldnt make it worth while, let surpose the german manpower in those units is all under 50% for the sake of intresting stories and gameplay?

[Kaarle XII]

As I said this is to be rationlised down, and I have over egged it for DI:E. I totally understand that is not totally spot on, but a we arnt tring to be that ridged are we? This is just a game? So on that premise this event could encompise all of the troop recuritment in one go 40-45. So yes agree with historical figures provided but in order to make a OOB and make it worth while having an OOB please surggest what it should be? I created a div per country as less than that wouldnt make it worth while, let surpose the german manpower in those units is all under 50% for the sake of intresting stories and gameplay?

Sorry, but there's just no point discussing SS-units in DiG's thread. When asked to add them to game:

I can't due to legal reasons.

The Vorwärts Panzers mod adds them, check it out.

[Xerjin]

Sorry, but there's just no point discussing SS-units in DiG's thread. When asked to add them to game:

The Vorwärts Panzers mod adds them, check it out.

Yes but he asked for an OOB earlier above aswell. So lets call them whatever Freikorps. I am just tring to add something worth while to the game.

[Leathaface]

They should have an event making them go exile (this is vanilla event) but their armies will keep fighting indeed. If you can find me some sources about unhistorical it is, I can easily change that. But I believe the Belgium and Holland armies kept fighting for UK after the surrender of their government (I can be wrong).

Well, the Dutch armed forces inside The Netherlands capitulated after the bombardment of Rotterdam (signed by General Winkelman). A lot of the troops tried to fled the country though, and the navy and forces in Indonesia joined the allies (under the government in exile). But i'm not sure if it is possible to let a part of the army surrender in Hoi3.

[Commander-DK]

In don't really see the need for an event creating a Danish/Norwegian/Dutch volunteer unit or units (SS or no). There is already an event about recruiting foreign manpower, which gives Germany the extra manpower from those populations. Getting units as well is Germany having its cake and eating it too

[Xerjin]

In don't really see the need for an event creating a Danish/Norwegian/Dutch volunteer unit or units (SS or no). There is already an event about recruiting foreign manpower, which gives Germany the extra manpower from those populations. Getting units as well is Germany having its cake and eating it too

Good point, so that means scrap that event? Or rework it?