[WIP] Modern day scenario!

[Supeerme]

But as of 2011, there aren't too many great powers, only two super powers (superpowers?), USA and China.

Isn't america a Hyperpower nowdays?

[ZomgK3tchup]

Isn't america a Hyperpower nowdays?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower#Post_Cold_War

This Wiki article describes the post-Cold War era quite nicely.

[Supeerme]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superpower#Post_Cold_War

This Wiki article describes the post-Cold War era quite nicely.

ok. It seems that the USA is falling out of power..Some advice on the Great Powers, Use the G8:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G8 and for the secondary powers you should use the G20(this group is more about the Economies rather than power.):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-20_major_economies

[Aliasing]

The problem with using the G8 and G20 ideas is.... Well economics don't make a superpower.

For example: the 7th spot in G8. Is Canada. Not exactly the country you think of when someone says, "Superpower"

*Edit: I'm willing to help with research on future techs and stuff.

*Editx2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_superpowers

[Supeerme]

I understand that but it's no longer about the militay anymore..


I don't know what start date your going to have but I seen dates such as 2015, 2020,2011 and 2050,

for some help, I have found the enteries of thoses years so you can resheach future tech and such:
2015:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015
2011:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011
2050:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2050 (robot porn ahoy!)

[cyrylc]

ok. It seems that the USA is falling out of power..Some advice on the Great Powers, Use the G8:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G8 and for the secondary powers you should use the G20(this group is more about the Economies rather than power.):http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-20_major_economies

The problem with using the G8 and G20 ideas is.... Well economics don't make a superpower.

For example: the 7th spot in G8. Is Canada. Not exactly the country you think of when someone says, "Superpower"

*Edit: I'm willing to help with research on future techs and stuff.

*Editx2:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_superpowers

Wiki has lots of lists

I think that top 16 should look like:

1. USA (first in almost everything)
2. China (second in almost everything, also they have got lots lots lots of labor force. How many times have you seen words "Made in China"?)
3. Russia (biiig! And some UNESCO webpage says that "Russia possesses world’s largest reserves of mineral and energy resources") or UK (they should have huge SoI - Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, and generally all Asian and African nations that were colonies of the UK)
4. UK or Russia
5. Japan? (they're probably most advanced nation in technology)
6. Germany (most populous nation in Europe, advanced technology and all)
7. Brazil maybe (big, lots of people, fast economic growth)
8. France (huge SoI, they also have lots of money I think)

9. Italy
10. India
11. Spain?
12. Turkey?
13. Mexico maybe?
14. Indonesia?
15. Australia?
16. Canada?

[Kalelovil]

Wiki has lots of lists

I think that top 16 should look like:

1. USA (first in almost everything)
2. China (second in almost everything, also they have got lots lots lots of labor force. How many times have you seen words "Made in China"?)
3. Russia (biiig! And some UNESCO webpage says that "Russia possesses world’s largest reserves of mineral and energy resources") or UK (they should have huge SoI - Canada, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, and generally all Asian and African nations that were colonies of the UK)
4. UK or Russia
5. Japan? (they're probably most advanced nation in technology)
6. Germany (most populous nation in Europe, advanced technology and all)
7. Brazil maybe (big, lots of people, fast economic growth)
8. France (huge SoI, they also have lots of money I think)

9. Italy
10. India
11. Spain?
12. Turkey?
13. Mexico maybe?
14. Indonesia?
15. Australia?
16. Canada?

A couple of issues with that:

Japan should be higher than 5th.
France should be higher than Brazil.
Canada should be higher on that list.
Indonesia should be below Australia.
UK does not have much influence over those nations you listed anymore.

I don't think you need to work out which nations should be great powers in this fashion, the game works it out itself based on military, economic and diplomatic scores at the start of the game.

[cyrylc]

UK does not have much influence over those nations you listed anymore.

Elizabeth II is the queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis, so they're all in personal union under UK, I think.

[Kalelovil]

Elizabeth II is the queen of the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Jamaica, Barbados, the Bahamas, Grenada, Papua New Guinea, the Solomon Islands, Tuvalu, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Belize, Antigua and Barbuda, and Saint Kitts and Nevis, so they're all in personal union under UK, I think.

The British monarchy has no political power in the modern day.
Culturally and economically, places such as Canada and Australia are now closer to the USA than the UK.

How much of the mod has been done so far? I could start working on a map based on 2011 and we could modify it if we choose a slightly different start date.

[cyrylc]

How much of the mod has been done so far? I could start working on a map based on 2011 and we could modify it if we choose a slightly different start date.

I haven't even decided what start date will be

[ZomgK3tchup]

This is the modern-day mod after all. 2011 has to be included somewhere in the game's time frame. The most logical are 1989-2089, 1991-2091, 2000-2100, 2010-2110, or 2011-2111. The first start date is two-three years before the collapse of the Soviet Union, and the player can extend the Cold War by stopping the USSR's collapse. The second start date would be during-after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and is the unofficial start of the post-Cold War Era. The 20st century start date is just because it's pretty and even, the same with 2010. The last start date, of course, would be this year. Note that the further back you go with the start date, the less techs you'll have to "make up".

Most historians note 1989 or 1991 to be the start of the contemporary period in history. Either one is good, though the former would require some intense event coding to break up the Soviet Union.

Also, modern-day powers would look something like this:

Great Powers
United States
China
Russia
United Kingdom
Japan
France
Germany

[Aliasing]

That's the things though.
Japan can't be a world power.

It's still unable to conceive an official army that exceeds the limit (which is small) that the Americans set for the Japanese Defense forces. So not unless there is a breaking of that treaty, Replace Japan with France, move Germany up, and Add Brazil or something.

Your start dates are good though

[Athalcor]

That's the things though.
Japan can't be a world power.

It's still unable to conceive an official army that exceeds the limit (which is small) that the Americans set for the Japanese Defense forces. So not unless there is a breaking of that treaty, Replace Japan with France, move Germany up, and Add Brazil or something.

Your start dates are good though

The problem is that the main measure of GP status in V2 is the industrial score. But because it is created by counting the number of workforce, creating small, specialized types of factories that would create high-end goods but employ only a minor workforce of ?clerks?.

To think up some techs I recommend Rise of Mankind for CIVIV.

[cyrylc]

To think up some techs I recommend Rise of Mankind for CIVIV.

I don't have Civ IV I googled "rise of mankind techs" but I've only found a big image with lots of icons which I don't understand.

[Athalcor]

I don't have Civ IV I googled "rise of mankind techs" but I've only found a big image with lots of icons which I don't understand.

That is exactly what I thought. The light blue final techs are the postmodern ones.

[Garek Maxwell]

If you want some ideas for technology that's up and coming, Technovelgy has a lot of great stuff on this.
http://www.technovelgy.com/
If you click a specific category and want real world news linked to science fiction, just scroll down until the listing format changes. I don't know why they have the fiction before the real news, but that's just something they do.

There's some really cool things that are up and coming, much of which just isn't on the radar for most people. This could definitely be used as a resource for cultural technologies. Though you can sort of predict trends like the "organic" architecture (Guggenheim in Bilbao, Spain. Don't know what style it is called...) because they're so new and there's no signs of the trends going away just yet.

This could be scripted pretty well, actually. You'd just need a decision

Oh, well nevermind. I thought modern mods always died off because everyone argued over how to best represent WMDs.
Though chemical and biological warfare are still issues, I'm sure they can still use the same system though.

[ZomgK3tchup]

That's actually a good base.

IMO, the first tier of techs should be Cold War Era like "Postwar Rifles" or AK-47s for Light Armament. Though this depends on our start date.

[Freebot]

I think once robotics become sufficiently advanced, large population bases will become more of a liability than an asset. Hence, large, relatively sparsely populated countries with abundant natural resources will have the advantage. Therefore, the world will be dominated by a three way competition between the US, Brazil, and Russia with the US seeking a union with Canada to gain a decisive advantage while Russia focuses on economic ties and eventual unions in central Asia while Brazil does the same in Latin America. China and India will probably be significant players but they will be bogged down dealing with the demands of large relatively impoverished populations.

[ak94hawx]

why not have the start date as 31st of december 2011 and then lead on from there and the tech that would have to be in would be somthing like sattalyt (cant spell) robotics ,laser and the for the great powers it should be like somthing like this USA, Russia,china,france, uk,japan, india and germany

[LordInsanity]

Feel free to mine this thread for ideas.

Oh, and I'm willing to do Beta testing and think this should start on January 1 2011.