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    Quote Originally Posted by cyrylc View Post
    I plan to make a unified Korea event that fires if:
    - South and North have the same type of government
    or
    - one is conquered by another
    or
    - one is in sphere of another
    or
    - they're both in one sphere.
    I think the spheres one isn't a good idea, I don't think it should be that easy to bring down the North Korean regime. With a setup like that, all I would have to do as the USA would be to start influencing the North on day 1 and within a few years I could unify Korea, that's way too easy if you ask me.

    Also, if you're looking for cores rearrangement, I did a whole lot of that for NNM and PDM which would be applicable to this (though not all of it would be). You'll also presumably want to import a lot of stuff from NNM and PDM (countries and events, etc) rather than starting from scratch (PDM has all sorts of bug fixes that vanilla doesn't).

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    A question, cyrylc: do you plan to leave regions as they are?

    If you do, for example, serbia will have a free war to eat Bosnia, and Hungary could also eat Slovakia. *chomp*

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamius23 View Post
    A question, cyrylc: do you plan to leave regions as they are?
    Nah, I'll add some more, when I discover how to do it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamius23 View Post
    Cores and Stuff:

    Ireland has cores on Northern Ireland (Belfast-Londonderry-Armagh)
    Portugal has cores on Galicia (Vigo-La Coruna)
    Spain has cores on Gibraltar
    Italy has cores on Savoy and Nice and Corsica(Annecy-Chambery-Nice-Corsica)
    Italy also has cores on parts of Croatia and Greece (Zadar-Split-Dubrovnik-Pola-Fiume-Trieste-Postojna-Dodecanese-Malta-Iraklion-Chania)
    Italy has no cores on South Tyrol (Trent-Bozen)
    Austria has cores on Italy's South Tyrol (Trent-Bozen)
    Germany has cores on Elsass and western Poland (Colmar-Strassburg-Metz) and (Stettin-Kustrin-Liegnitz-Oppeln-Kattowitz-Breslau-Kustrin-Kolberg-Elbing-Allenstein-Koenigsburg-Gumbinnen-Memel)
    Germany also has cores on Aabenraa in Denmark
    Denmark has cores on Flensborg and Iceland
    Sweden has cores on Turku, Helsinki and the Alands.
    Finland has cores on Karelia (Petsamo-Viipuri-Kostomushka-Kandalaksha-Kola)
    Poland has cores on 1939 Poland: (Grodno-Vilnius-Pastavy-Lida-Baranovichy-Pinsk-Kovel-Rovne-Lvov-Ternopil-Stanislavov-Stryi)
    Estonia has cores on Gdov
    Belarus has cores on Velikiye Luki, Bryansk and Smolensk
    Ukraine has cores on Ukrainian areas in Russia (Kursk-Belgorod-Voronets-Ekaterinodar-Novorossiysk-Chirskaya)
    Israel has cores on all the Palestinian areas and Sinai (Nablus-Gaza-Al Arish-Sharm el-Shaykh)
    Palestine has cores on all of Israel (Jerusalem-Acre-Nablus-Be'ersheba)
    Romania has cores on Moldova and all the Romanian areas: (Pervomaisk-Vinniytsa-Silistre-Nis-Florina-Pola-Chisinau-Balti)
    Hungary has cores on Hungarian areas: (Novi Sad-Targu Mures- Bratislava-Nitra-Roznava-Oradea)
    Slovakia has cores on Uzhhorod
    Albania has cores on Greater Albania and Kosovo (Bitola-Prizren-Pristina-Ulcinj-Janina)
    Greece has cores on Greek areas and Cyprus (Gjirokaster-Edirne-Limassol-Nicosia-Famagusta)
    Cyprus has cores on the TRNC (Famagusta)
    the TRNC has cores on Cyprus (Limassol-Nicosia)
    Serbia has cores on Serb-inhabited Bosnia: Tuzla-Banja Luka-Foca-Livno
    Croatia has cores on Mostar
    Turkey has cores on: (Famagusta-Dedeagatch)
    Bulgaria has cores on: (Xanthe-Kavala-Salonika-Edessa-Skopje-Bitola)
    the Republic of Macedonia has cores on Florina

    That's enough for now. Want me to post my ideas for releasable/formable nations?

    -tamius23

    edit: I'm on a four-day weekend too

    another edit: The reason South Korea is in the top eight is its enormous army, 8.6 million. North Korea has 9.6 million soldiers.
    Also, I'd give Trieste to Slovenia, even though Trieste is in Italy: because Slovenia needs an outlet to the sea and Italy shouldn't border Croatia. Unless you want to fiddle with the province borders.
    Turkey has claims also on Dodecanese, Chios, Myteline. These territories should be number 1 for Turkish claims. If Dedeagatch is included as claim then should also be Xante, there is very big Turkish minority living there. And Syria should have core on Antioch.
    There would also be claims on Mosul, Kirkurk and Arbil by Turkey, but these ain't that necessary.

    And why is Cyprus united? It should be Cyprus and Northern Cyprus.

    Also shouldn't Turkey be Secondary Power?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernian View Post
    I think the spheres one isn't a good idea, I don't think it should be that easy to bring down the North Korean regime. With a setup like that, all I would have to do as the USA would be to start influencing the North on day 1 and within a few years I could unify Korea, that's way too easy if you ask me.
    Put North Korea in China's sphere and South Korea in the USA's sphere. Make the USA Opposed/Hostile in North Korea and China Opposed/Hostile in South Korea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZomgK3tchup View Post
    Put North Korea in China's sphere and South Korea in the USA's sphere. Make the USA Opposed/Hostile in North Korea and China Opposed/Hostile in South Korea.
    That's what I was planning to do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSC View Post
    There would also be claims on Mosul, Kirkurk and Arbil by Turkey, but these ain't that necessary.
    That sounds unlikely, the people in those areas would never accept Turkish rule.

    Remember what cores are and what they do. They are not just political claims made by a government, they also represent what the people in those areas want, so unless there’re large populations of a culture in a province that wants to be independent or join another country you shouldn't just assign a core there.

    If a country captures a province which it has a core on then that means they will not experience any nationalism or militancy from the conquered population, something which is unlikely in most circumstances today.

    Also remember that if a country has cores that are in another nation then they will get Revanchism and Fascism will rise in that country. This would be pretty odd to see in modern Europe, no?

    I agree that South Korea should be in the USA's sphere, but North Korea is only loosely controlled by China today. China didn't want them to have Nukes, but they did it anyway. They are so isolationist that they might be best represented as being "Hostile" to all GPs, and "Friendly" with China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSC View Post
    And why is Cyprus united? It should be Cyprus and Northern Cyprus.
    The TRNC (Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus) is in the list

    rest of the cores:

    Canada: Caribou
    Dominican Republic: Cap Haitien, Port-au-Prince (loose)
    Venezuela: Mahdia, Essequibo
    Bolivia: Tarauaca, Calama, Antofagasta, Cochinoca, Equia, Jujuy, Puerto Guarani, Fortin Falcon.
    Peru: Iquique, Arica
    Paraguay: Formosa, Xolotas, Posadas/Guarapuava, Iguatemi
    Argentina: Falklands, South Georgia

    You could give Mexico a million cores but it would probably make no sense.

    Right, I can't resist making another list.

    a few releasable nations in Europe:

    Bavaria
    Galicia
    Aragon
    Catalonia
    Corsica
    Brittany
    Normandy
    Sapmi
    Basque Country
    Aland Islands
    Wallonia
    Flanders
    Scotland
    Ireland
    Wales
    Sicily
    Crimea
    Kalmykia
    Daghestan
    Chechnya
    Adygea
    Ingushetia
    North Ossetia
    Kurdistan
    Tatarstan
    Bashkortostan
    etc

    asia:

    East Turkestan
    Kashmir
    Sikkim
    Orissa, other Indian minors
    Shan
    Mon
    Karen
    Tibet
    Pakhtunistan
    Baluchistan
    Ryukyu
    West New Guinea
    Panjab
    Manchuria
    Turkmeneli in northern Iraq, as per suggestion

    africa:
    Biafra

    edit: bugger, I forgot. Give the FSM cores on Palau
    edit: give Colombia cores on Marabitanas
    Last edited by tamius23; 22-05-2011 at 01:11. Reason: Africa

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hibernian View Post
    That sounds unlikely, the people in those areas would never accept Turkish rule.

    Remember what cores are and what they do. They are not just political claims made by a government, they also represent what the people in those areas want, so unless there’re large populations of a culture in a province that wants to be independent or join another country you shouldn't just assign a core there.

    If a country captures a province which it has a core on then that means they will not experience any nationalism or militancy from the conquered population, something which is unlikely in most circumstances today.

    Also remember that if a country has cores that are in another nation then they will get Revanchism and Fascism will rise in that country. This would be pretty odd to see in modern Europe, no?
    There are Turkish (Turkomans) people living in Mosul region.

    Fascistic Turkey would just mean Neo-Ottoman Empire.

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    Countries that start off at war:-

    Armenia&Nagorno-Karabakh against Azerbaijan
    wargoals: Armenia: none Azerbaijan: liberate Nagorna-Karabakh

    United States, UK, and some others against Afghanistan
    wargoals: United States: add Afghanistan to sphere UK: humiliate Afghanistan Afghanistan: none

    Israel against Palestine
    wargoals: Israel: annex Palestine, Palestine: status quo

    Libyan Civil War:
    wargoals: GSLPAJ (Gaddhafi): annex Libyan Republic, Libyan Republic: annex Great Socialist Libyan People's Arab Jamahiriya

    Have some rebels in:

    Turkey: Kurd nationalists
    India: Kashmiri nationalists
    Uganda and the DRC: Christian rebels
    Burma: Kachin, Karen and Sha nationalists
    Thailand: Rebels asking for annexation of Pattani to Malaysia
    Senegal: Casamance nationalists
    Philippines: Muslim rebels
    Colombia: Anarcho-Liberal and Communist rebels
    Pakistan: Al-Qaeda
    Yemen: Shi'ite rebels
    Somalia: EVERYTHING. Bleurgh.
    India: Communist rebels, in Orissa and Hyderabad
    Syria: Jacobins
    Bahrain: Jacobins

    That's it for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GSC View Post
    There are Turkish (Turkomans) people living in Mosul region.

    Fascistic Turkey would just mean Neo-Ottoman Empire.
    Which would be cool, wouldn't it? To play in a game with them? Especially if they're trying to eat Azerbaijan and the Central Asian republics to form Turkestan
    I deeply apologize for posting twice...

    edit: Those Turks in Mosul are massively outnumbered by Kurds, though.
    Last edited by tamius23; 22-05-2011 at 01:10.

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    There should be an event for unifying Korea too, either by Sphere or militarly (or even a diplomatic deal)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasing View Post
    There should be an event for unifying Korea too, either by Sphere or militarly (or even a diplomatic deal)
    I think that's been gone over, too. also one is needed to unify Cyprus and any other unions:

    eg. a greater germanic union, comprising Britain, the Netherlands, Flanders, Germany, Scandinavia, Denmark, Austria, Switzerland and Iceland. I'd love to see that. also: Turkestan, Arab unions, Greater Iran (Iran, Kurdistan, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Baluchistan)

    I could do a more complete list.

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    Remake the USSR maybe?

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    Euh, so soon? It only conked out 20 years ago. Belarus would probably be up for being annexed by Russia, however.

    Russia shouldn't have cores on the former USSR, otherwise their first act would be to eat Kazakhstan.

    I think the USSR is been and gone, like Yugoslavia. Or the Roman Empire.

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    Yeah but remaking stuff for flavor is the dream of dictators everywhere!

    Like how Mussolini tried to remake Rome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasing View Post
    Like how Mussolini tried to remake Rome
    which he epicly failed at doing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ak94hawx View Post
    which he epicly failed at doing
    He was a living cartoon character, of course he did

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamius23 View Post
    Countries that start off at war:-

    Armenia&Nagorno-Karabakh against Azerbaijan
    wargoals: Armenia: none Azerbaijan: liberate Nagorna-Karabakh
    There isn't a war there, just some skirmishes now and then, last one was on 1 September 2010, where 10-12 people were killed.

    United States, UK, and some others against Afghanistan
    wargoals: United States: add Afghanistan to sphere UK: humiliate Afghanistan Afghanistan: none
    Afghanistan is currently rebuilding itself, with help of International Security Assistance Force, which is led by NATO.

    Libyan Civil War:
    wargoals: GSLPAJ (Gaddhafi): annex Libyan Republic, Libyan Republic: annex Great Socialist Libyan People's Arab Jamahiriya
    Mod start date is 1 January 2011, Libyan Civil War started in February I think, it will be replicated in mod by events (Arab Spring or something).

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    is thier anything i could do that might speed up this mod ?

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