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Neither. Routine deployment on a patrol the RN has been maintaining for 30 years.
If I'm not mistaken every destroyer and frigate currently in active service (Except for the Type 45s) have been down there at least once.

Dauntless is not a routine deployment. You would not place a brand spanking new ship into the South Atlantic and waters that hostile for its first operational deployment. The fact remains that she is a powerful piece of kit and we want to provide a very considerable presense and remind Argentina that just because there is a lot of change going on doesn't mean we are not going to keep an eye on the Falklands. That said she seems very light in the bow in that picture. Knowing the bloody MOD I bet she only has 4 Aster missiles as oppossed to the full compliment of 48 missiles.
 
Not enough French Ships in this thread :)

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We're not as big as Americans', but we love our unique Aircraft Career ^^

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Nice to see it out of dock for a change! :p
 
Cheeky! By the way how´s the UKs carrier force doing, trolololol.

lol, quite well. We still have Illustrious and the Ocean. QE is well underway and work has started on PoW. The real issue isn't the hulls we possess so much as the total lack of any fixed wing aircraft... We have the RAF to thank for that.
 
Yeah, exactly. And I think you are in for a wait until the F-35s arrive. So overally I think that the French are in better shape at the moment.
Though I guess criticizing the French is what makes Englishmen ticking.:D
 
Yeah, exactly. And I think you are in for a wait until the F-35s arrive. So overally I think that the French are in better shape at the moment.
Though I guess criticizing the French is what makes Englishmen ticking.:D

Not really, your escort fleet is older and more out of date as a general rule while ours now has relatively new ships with the average age being 10 years younger than your class. Although you possess a large "low end" number of ships which is quite admirable and something the RN has really missed I believe. You have less SSN's than we do and our newest one is far more capable than anything you have in service. You have less fleet replenishment assets coming in at 4 oilers/replenishment ships to our 8. We also have a dedicated repair ship as well as an aviation/hospital ship. Our Amphibious capability is pretty similar, although the 3 Mistral class provide huge capability the HMS Ocean, Albion and Bulwark provide a similar capacity. Illustrious is well used to being used in the LPH role also. Furthermore while we both have 3 LST's you lack any Ro/Ro transport vessels whereas we have 6. Finally the RN's MCM capability far exceeds anyone elses including even America. We really are quite good at it and we have 4 more MCMV vessels than yourself,

You are right that the procurement of the carriers is being handled somewhat ham-handed however the RN has made sure it has a back up plan. Contray to your opinion and everyone elses Illustrious and Ocean are both capable of very rapdily acting in the CVS role. With Italy, India, Spain, America, Thailand all operating AV-8IIB harriers it would be a simple matter to leand/lease or buy off the shelf if it really looked like something was going to happen that required carrier strike. When the QE and PoW come into service they will be capable of operating Harrier if need be (longer deck means it probably wouldn't need the ramp), F/A-18, Rafale and hell even MIG's or SU's if we so wished. While the F-35 is our aircraft of choice it wouldn't be a big issue to buy 50+ F/A-18's if we really needed them. The important thing is having up to date, modern hulls that can take the equipment if it is really needed. That is definitely happening with the RN and if, for example, we needed to go to war with France you would suddenly find yourself facing a fleet that had 2 carriers (Ocean can act as a carrier when she is fitted with a ski ramp) instead of 1 and that was able to operate AV8-IIB off them which has AMRAAM capability.

The RN is in a difficult place but I genuinely believe that it will come out strong. Especially as if you look behind the rhetoric of the political speechs about recent conflicts like Libya you can see an increasingly unhappy government at the costs of RAF support instead of FAA/Amphibious assault with regards to success generated. Coupled with the public wish to avoid messy interventions like Afghanistan and suddenly the RN which includes the RM is in a very happy place.
 
Yeah alright, I surrender (and I´m not French I´m Swedish:D).
And for the future I shall warn you that I´m not too serious always.
 
Yeah, exactly. And I think you are in for a wait until the F-35s arrive. So overally I think that the French are in better shape at the moment.
Though I guess criticizing the French is what makes Englishmen ticking.:D

*Briton :p
 
Turns out that Gawron corvette was cut from our navy's budget for the coming years.

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With Italy, India, Spain, America, Thailand all operating AV-8IIB harriers it would be a simple matter to leand/lease or buy off the shelf if it really looked like something was going to happen that required carrier strike. When the QE and PoW come into service they will be capable of operating Harrier if need be (longer deck means it probably wouldn't need the ramp), F/A-18, Rafale and hell even MIG's or SU's if we so wished. While the F-35 is our aircraft of choice it wouldn't be a big issue to buy 50+ F/A-18's if we really needed them.

The important thing is having up to date, modern hulls that can take the equipment if it is really needed.
(Other than harriers) wouldn't the other important thing be having specific-aircraft trained and experienced pilots, in the required numbers, to fly the things also? I'm not saying I know much about our RN/RAF pilot capabilities, but surely we couldn't just purchase a bunch of jets and expect brilliant (or entirely safe) operation without a preparation period — by which time whatever it was that caused the panic in the first place, may have begun or already finished :p
 
kramnik78 you are not realted to the Ilya Kramnik that figures sometimes are you?

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