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If the objective is to enlarge the Roman empire, surely Persia must be incorporated as well... Afghanistan too... and then? South America?
 
Congrats on the Iberian victory!

I'm afraid to say that now the really difficult stuff will begin. I can imagine that the war in Euopre might sooner or later draw you in, whether you want it or not...
 
Impressive, brillant, gorgeous... What else ????

Can't wait for the aventures to come.

But... aren't you too stretched to compete with UK + France, or Germany, or Soviet Union ? What will be your strategy : wait untill they exhaust themselves, or attack in the back of the less strong ?
 
Chapter Twenty: Uncharted Waters (9/17/39 - 1/5/1940)

Everything I have said and done in these last years is relativism by intuition. If relativism signifies contempt for fixed categories and those who claim to be the bearers of objective immortal truth ... then there is nothing more relativistic than Fascist attitudes and activity... From the fact that all ideologies are of equal value, that all ideologies are mere fictions, the modern relativist infers that everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable. -- Benito Mussolini

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Chapter Twenty: Uncharted Waters (9/17/39 - 1/5/1940)

On September 17, 1939, after the Spanish surrender, an uneasy enforced peace descended upon the vast territories of the New Roman Empire. However, a new, vastly more dangerous, war had just irrupted all along her northern border.

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Mussolini immediately proclaimed his Empire’s neutrality in this war, and any breach of that strict neutrality by any of the Empire’s citizens would not be tolerated. Through the war’s progression, the frightful efficiency of Germany’s Wehrmacht became readily apparent.

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By October 5, 1939, Poland had surrendered.

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Only three months later, on January 5, 1940, the vaunted Maginot Line had been breached.

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German panzers were boiling over into central France.

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Even though the Italo-Iberia War was over, the Empire was still technically at war with the nation state of Portugal. However, except for a few colonial possessions scattered across Africa and Asia, Portugal did not really exist. Nevertheless, for the same reasons that Mussolini had abandoned East Africa, he similarly had no desire to chase the Portuguese around the globe while a world war was raging at his doorstep. The only exceptions to this were the Atlantic islands, where Portuguese submarines could prey on Italian merchant marine vessels.

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On November 5, 1939, the Canary Islands were assaulted by the marines, then garrisoned by a maniple division.

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On November 15, 1939, the marines assaulted Madeira where a Portuguese raiding fleet had actually been hiding.

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On November 17, 1939, the marines seized the port and the Portuguese fleet was forced flee, but they stumbled into the waiting arms of elements of the Regia Marina.

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Once these islands were garrisoned, and the Portuguese were denied any platform from which to attack Italian shipping, further operations were deferred against the remnants of the Portuguese colonies until it was clear how the European land war would turn out. Mussolini did not want to have his precious fleet and marines in the Jungles of Central Africa if war were to break out with the British.

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After the Spanish surrendered, Mussolini surveyed his maps in his war room and realized that what he had accomplished was more than enough. All that he had to do now was to hold on to all, or at least most, of what he had gained over the past two years, and then he would go down in history as the greatest servant to Italia since Augustus.

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Oh, he had plans, but none of them were ripe in his mind. The general staff had, at Mussolini’s direction, been furiously working on operations and contingency operations, but none of them made strategic sense at that time.

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There were plans to attack Persia from eastern Anatolia, but the Persians had joined the Axis and were already being attacked by the British from India.

There were plans for seizing Gibraltar and Suez and shutting the Mediterranean to the British, but then what? The British controlled the rest of the seas and most international commerce. A war with the British would cut off the Empire from trade and practically wed the Empire’s fate to an unstable dictator in Berlin. Plus, Mussolini had given Chamberlain his word, and Mussolini was a firm believer that whatever you say in diplomacy must be truthful. Any subterfuge must be in what you do not say, not what you do say.

There were plans to attack Germany from the south. Mussolini was confident that his impressive army of mountaineers could seize Innsbruck and all the Alpine passes and hold them indefinitely. However, Italy was no longer just a defensive peninsula -- it was a vast Empire with a border it could not hope to defend against Germany’s larger ground forces.

There were plans to attack the neutral Swiss, but the Swiss shared borders with both France and Germany. Although possible, it seemed improbable that attacking Switzerland in the midst of a war between Germany and France would not somehow end up embroiling the Empire in the larger war. No, the Swiss were clinging to their neutrality, and as long as they did, they were only useful in narrowing the potential front with Germany.

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As part of Mussolini's review of what his next step should be, he asked his ambassadors and his intelligence agents in all of the major nations of the world to question their local sources to determine their host country’s reaction to the recent expansion of Italy and the founding of the New Roman Empire. Mussolini was under the impression that the other major nations had tolerated Italy’s expansion reasonably well. However, the findings of these reports told a different story.

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All the other major nations of the world were terrified by Italy’s recent expansions, and they all saw Italy as the greatest threat to world peace. This was in spite of all of Mussolini’s efforts to portray his nation’s activities as that of a benevolent major power. At a time of war against Germany, and after Germany had actually breached the Maginot line, France still perceived Italy as its greatest threat. Even the non-European powers of the United States and Japan were hostile to Italy and saw her as their greatest threat. Mussolini was disappointed by these reports, and sought solace in the words of his great mentor:

"And one should bear in mind that there is nothing more difficult to execute, nor more dubious of success, nor more dangerous to administer than to introduce a new order to things; for he who introduces it has all those who profit from the old order as his enemies; and he has only lukewarm allies in all those who might profit from the new. This lukewarmness partly stems from fear of their adversaries, who have the law on their side, and partly from the skepticism of men, who do not truly believe in new things unless they have personal experience in them." -- Niccolo Machiavelli

Mussolini always knew it would not be easy, but he resolved to persevere. However, these reports had made it clear that the New Empire must be very careful. None of the majors had declared war on the Empire yet, but there was no room for error. Two majors had already declared war on a third. The dogs of war had already been unleashed. However, Italy would play no part. She would welcome home her heroic conquering soldiers and pin medals on their chests, but the Empire needed to stop its expansive and warlike behavior and hope the conflict raging to the north would take the spotlight off of Italia and its newly gained Empire.

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Wow, this is really impressive. Maybe Spain and Portugal were not really meant to be conquered. I mean, your right to do that, even in your large acceptation of it, was not really high.

Now, had you weaken the Axis, by taking their potential allies before they joined them? Will you conquer Vichy France? I think this is exacly what you're going to do. But by now, you must expain to Hitler what is going on if you invade its puppet. And after answering, join the fight when the Soviets will recover from the German invasion... Then, the Roman Empire will truly be reborn and will have won against the barbarians... Ho, there will still be the Third Rome, to conquer, and Londinium...
 
Only chance I see for you... join the Allies once Barbarossa has started and the Allies have landed somewhere in occupied Europe.

Can you lower your threat by removing your forces from the borders?
 
Good choice there. Any other option would decimate your hard-fought empire. Sometimes its okay to play the waiting game.
 
Always do what your enemy would least expect ;)

As far as i can see, it seems like you're completely out of options now.
You can't afford attacking another major at the moment, but you don't know whether the Nazis will throw themselves at your throat once they've finished their campaign against France.

On a side-note: What happened to belgium and the Netherlands? Were they attacked by the Nazis?
 
You should finish off Portugal because once it joins axis, you are screwed and staying at war economy, while doing nothing is gamey :)

Setting aside the technical impossibility of Italy launching an amphibious assault on Macau and the utter foolishness of invading mainland China at this time (given that even Japan views Italy as its greatest existential threat), when considering the thorny issue of what is or what is not “gamey” I generally follow the WWBD rule.

What Would Benito Do?

Three cheers for the war. Three cheers for Italy's war and three cheers for war in general. Peace is hence absurd or rather a pause in war. -- Benito Mussolini

The keystone of the Fascist doctrine is its conception of the State, of its essence, its functions, and its aims. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived in their relation to the State. -- Benito Mussolini

It is the State which educates its citizens in civic virtue, gives them a consciousness of their mission and welds them into unity. -- Benito Mussolini

The mass, whether it be a crowd or an army, is vile. -- Benito Mussolini

Fortunately the Italian people has not yet accustomed itself to eat many times a day, and possessing a modest level of living, it feels deficiency and suffering less. -- Benito Mussolini

Would an authoritarian propagandist like Mussolini go out of his way and put his troops and fleets in strategic jeopardy so that he could provide his people with a less efficient peacetime economy, or would he do anything and everything to keep his population on a wartime footing?
 
Setting aside the technical impossibility of Italy launching an amphibious assault on Macau and the utter foolishness of invading mainland China at this time (given that even Japan views Italy as its greatest existential threat), when considering the thorny issue of what is or what is not “gamey” I generally follow the WWBD rule.

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Would an authoritarian propagandist like Mussolini go out of his way and put his troops and fleets in strategic jeopardy so that he could provide his people with a less efficient peacetime economy, or would he do anything and everything to keep his population on a wartime footing?

Wartime footing! :)

There is a HUGE, HUGE difference between the demand for consumer goods during peacetime compared to wartime for Italy. In my game, my citizens are only demanding 6.7ish IC for consumer goods during my war against Yugoslavia compared to 65+ IC during peacetime. Makes me want to draw out wars as long as I can, haha.
 
Wartime footing! :)

There is a HUGE, HUGE difference between the demand for consumer goods during peacetime compared to wartime for Italy. In my game, my citizens are only demanding 6.7ish IC for consumer goods during my war against Yugoslavia compared to 65+ IC during peacetime. Makes me want to draw out wars as long as I can, haha.

Most do. An accepted strategy is to surround Ethiopia's capital but wait until Italy goes to war with one faction before taking it. With Italy's huge peace time consumer demand, unless you willing to war with a faction till1942 your usable IC will be fairly low.

I agree with your strategy of consolidating your current holdings as it's already going to stretch your manpower to secure what you have. At the same time if you want to become the greatest Italian in History you'll want that territory. A public falling out between Hitler and Mussolini over Vichy Territory being requested by Italy would provide a nice war justification, if only to anger Hitler as he deals with the Russians. In face by the time he thinks of dealing with you he'll be at war with the USSR.
 
Under The Hood (January 5, 1940)

Under The Hood (January 5, 1940)

The breadth of New Roman Empire matched that of the old, running from the Canary Islands in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean to the Persian border in the heart of the Middle East. Northern Europe, Asia and Persia were all engulfed in bloody war, and the New Roman Empire, seemingly peaceful, was really just in the eye of the storm.

Every major nation saw Italy as the world’s greatest threat, but each had reasons to not attack. The United States and Japan were too remote. France and Great Britain had their hands full, with Germany already having breached the Maginot line. Germany still saw Italy as its natural ally and still hoped to woo her into the Axis. The Soviet Union was still morosely healing from its purges and not ready for war, yet.

Italy had time to prepare, but how much time would always be uncertain.

Here are the numbers of the existing land units at the disposal of the Empire:

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The Empire had 103 Infantry brigades, 39 mountain brigades, 114 artillery brigades and 24 marine brigades. This would amounted to approximately 8 pure mountain divisions, 8 mixed mountain divisions, the equivalent of 51 mixed infantry divisions and 8 pure marine divisions. That would make 75 divisions of foot soldiers overall. However, much of this strength was disbursed across the Empire as maniple mini divisions guarding ports or fighting rebels. There were also 4 armor divisions (made up of one light armor, two motorized infantry, and one tank destroyer) and 2 newer armi combinate divisions made up of two motorized infantry brigades and two tank destroyer brigades.

Here are the planes of the Regia Aeronautica:

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Apart from two new carrier air group wings and two new close air support wings, these were simply the same air wings that existed at the start of 1936 -- with upgraded equipment, of course. It had been hoped that the CAS wings would be on line in time to help the Regio Esercito in Spain, but that was not the case. If Italy hoped to survive the next war, more interceptors would be needed.

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This was basically the Regia Marina from 1936, minus some losses to the Spanish fleet.

Obviously, Italy needed to expand the size of its forces on land, sea and in the air. However, by looking at the production queue it is clear that Mussolini was not quite sure of what type of war the next one would be.

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Italy had no less than 6 more CAG’s in production to make a total of 8, with their 4 fleet carriers scheduled to launch on February 19, 1940, October 10, 1940, April 29, 1941 and July 19, 1941. There were also 2 modern light cruisers scheduled to be launched in September of 1940, with two more in queue behind that. This naval expansion was clearly designed with an eye towards giving Italy a fighting chance to contend with the United Kingdom over domination of the Mediterranean if it ever came to that.

Other than the CAG’s, the only air wings in the production queue were the 2 close air support wings in addition to the 2 CAS wings already built. That represents a mistake. The 4 CAS’s will be put to good use and would have been very useful in bombing the stink out of some neutral minor power where Italy enjoyed air superiority. However, as the next opponent will most likely be a major, Italy would much rather have built 4 more interceptors to contend for air superiority and to protect its troops from swarms of tactical bombers.

As far as ground forces are concerned, Italy was building infantry and more infantry. There were 15 maniple divisions (1INF+1ART) in the queue, with more after that. There was also one more armi combinate motor division (2MOT+2TD) with another scheduled after that. Those two motor divisions, plus the two already build, plus Messe’s Celere corps, would give Italy two corps of four armi combinate division each. Enough to form to pincers?

Here is the Research Queue:

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Italy had just bumped Coal Processing Technologies to the front of the line, because she had never researched this before and it was long over due. If you look at the production screen you can see that Italy had captured a sizable stockpile of energy from the conquered nations. However the fires of Italian industry were burning through that stockpile at an unhealthy deficit rate. Furthermore, as can be seen from the trade routes window, Italy was very dependent upon German coal. It would be very unpleasant if that steady supply of energy were to get interrupted for some reason.

Also bumped to the top of the line are the anti-tank technologies. These technologies are relatively quick researches. So, Italy held off on this research at the outset of the early wars when most of its enemies were soft targets. However, future enemies will likely be considerably harder. So, it is catch up time. Early in the campaign research was directed towards the artillery technologies (already at level 5). Now, as soon as the anti-tank technologies are finished they are bumped right back to the top of the queue.

There was also research into the self-propelled artillery brigade, the mechanized infantry brigade, and combined arms warfare. (Every mobile division and its corps were led by generals with the panzer trait. So, with the base CA bonus of 20%, plus this tech bonus of 10%, plus the leader traits of 10% and 5%, these units will be getting a 45% combat bonus modifier.) These technologies were also bumped to the head of the line so that Italy could add to the lethality of the existing mobile divisions and eventually allow construction of its long envisioned combined arms mechanized infantry divisions.

Electronic Computing Machines are needed to speed research and counter the neutrality research penalty. Industrial Production and Efficiency are constant research items to increase production. Basing and Supply Organization and Transportation are needed to supply a large army overseas in Spain (until a land route can be devised). Advance Aircraft Design is a mistake. It is a useless tech and should never be researched. It was reasonably thought that both RADAR 2 and Advance Aircraft Design was needed to open up the aircraft RADAR technologies. That is not correct, just RADAR 2 is needed, and its not an “either or” situation. RADAR 2 is always needed, and Advanced Aircraft Design does nothing.
 
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you sure making those mini divisions is wise? you may need full strength divisions soon if germany gets tired of an italy uninterested in joining the axis, and the soviet union wont be hurting from the purge forever
 
you sure making those mini divisions is wise? you may need full strength divisions soon if germany gets tired of an italy uninterested in joining the axis, and the soviet union wont be hurting from the purge forever

Making a front line division is just a matter of putting two mini divisions in the same territory and pressing the "g" key. As you'll see, the strategy is to cover my very long front with at least one maniple first, then double up, and then upgrade the two mini divisions into one front line division (then add an AT brigade). A lot of weak units along a very long front can cause trouble. Once I was playing Germany, I sealioned GB and delayed Barbarossa to chase the UK into India through Persia first. I was pounding them with panzers, but the UK in India generated hundreds of little weak divisions that exploited every little opening in my lines. It was very effective on a long front where I had trouble covering every territory.
 
Making a front line division is just a matter of putting two mini divisions in the same territory and pressing the "g" key. As you'll see, the strategy is to cover my very long front with at least one maniple first, then double up, and then upgrade the two mini divisions into one front line division (then add an AT brigade). A lot of weak units along a very long front can cause trouble. Once I was playing Germany, I sealioned GB and delayed Barbarossa to chase the UK into India through Persia first. I was pounding them with panzers, but the UK in India generated hundreds of little weak divisions that exploited every little opening in my lines. It was very effective on a long front where I had trouble covering every territory.

hmmm, you may have a point. im just stuck in my ways i guess, every frontline province has to have a full strengthed brigade of infantry plus some form of tank defense be it another tank brigade or an anti-tank brigade. but other than this little detail, i love this AAR, keep up the good work, and send my regards to benito :D
 
The Empire had 103 Infantry brigades, 39 mountain brigades, 114 artillery brigades and 24 marine brigades. This would amounted to approximately 8 pure mountain divisions, 16 mixed mountain divisions, 51 mixed infantry divisions and 8 pure marine divisions. That would make 83 divisions of foot soldiers overall. However, much of this strength was disbursed across the Empire as maniple mini divisions guarding ports or fighting rebels. There were also 4 armor divisions (made up of one light armor, two motorized infantry, and one tank destroyer) and 2 newer armi combinate divisions made up of two motorized infantry brigades and two tank destroyer brigades.

Thats a lot of Artillery Brigades. Its sure to add some resilience in defence and extra offensive capabilities to your infantry.

There was also research into the self-propelled artillery brigade, the mechanized infantry brigade, and combined arms warfare. (Every mobile division and its corps were led by generals with the panzer trait. So, with the base CA bonus of 20%, plus this tech bonus of 10%, plus the leader traits of 10% and 5%, these units will be getting a 45% combat bonus modifier.) These technologies were also bumped to the head of the line so that Italy could add to the lethality of the existing mobile divisions and eventually allow construction of its long envisioned combined arms mechanized infantry divisions.

Nice work, I will remember this. :D

Its appears to me that you might be gearing for a naval war. All the CAG's and Carriers plus 8 full Marine divisions are a strong indication. I dont think you can remain idle, the old Roman blood is to thick in your veins. :p