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[King of Men]

Our new Persian player didn't show, so the position is open for anyone who wants it.

[Camoes]

I'm sad to see Qin beaten down like this, but I guess he was asking for it. He got himself into a position where every major power hated him.

[Willum]

Map

Is that the Rus or the Khanate directly north of Qin? It looks a bit darker than Mongolia to me, but I don't have anything to compare to. Anyhow I see a couple of coastal cities taken by Kongo, was that what you refered to KoM? Gief info to peanut please? In doublespeak if possible.

[OrangeYoshi]

Is that the Rus or the Khanate directly north of Qin? It looks a bit darker than Mongolia to me, but I don't have anything to compare to. Anyhow I see a couple of coastal cities taken by Kongo, was that what you refered to KoM? Gief info to peanut please? In doublespeak if possible.

Khanate lost 5 Korean culture provinces to Kongo.

Khanate is indeed the nation north of Qin.

[King of Men]

The Khanate is still north of Qin. I lost Best Korea to Kongo and one province to Punjab; Russia, fortunately, wasn't in the war. Or it would have been rather shorter. Although, to be fair, their neutrality did force Bavaria to keep considerable forces in Europe.

Briefly, the Great Powers - Ethiopia, Bavaria, Catalunya, and Croatia - with some yapping jackals in support, decided that Qin should be stripped of its ability to intervene in the affairs of Europe. They therefore ended the war that we had at the start of the session by demanding a chunk of Chinese coast - the blue bit in the screenie - to Ethiopia; additionally Khmer was rewarded for its lies (Ike had promised to fight on Qin's side) with another five provinces, and Kongo got Best Korea. We were then told that the attacks would continue while China had a coastline. In an attempt to comply with this outrageous demand while maintaining some semblance of sovereignty, China signed over South Korea to Japan, and agreed to sign over its remaining coastline to the Khanate. We were then informed that this was insufficient, that the coast had to be given to the coalition; all pretence of concern for the balance of power was thus abandoned, and the contours of the naked land grab became clear. China then became a vassal of Japan, and Asia cast its defiance at the Great Powers.

Alas, our powers were not sufficient. Attacked by Bavaria and Ethiopia from the southeast, and by lapdog Khmer and Kongo from the southwest, we nevertheless stood firm on the Asian mainland. But Japan alone could not keep the seas against the combined fleets of Ethiopia and Catalunya, and in short order groaned under the boots of invaders. Jackal Punjab was bought off with the single province of Altishar; but when Croatia joined its forces to the Kongolese attack out of Croatia, even the 180 regiments freed by that surrender were insufficient to defend the Khanate. With Japan effectively out of the war, we therefore perforce accepted the Unequal Treaty dictated to us.

Some images from the war. At the beginning, believe it or not, Khmer actually had the temerity to attack us - in Dangla, at that, some of the best defensive terrain in the world!




That was over pretty quickly, to be sure. We then went in and seized Qamdo, also some of the best defensive terrain in the world, not that this did Ike any good:



and held it against a rather monotonous series of counterattacks:




At some point Kongolese troops joined the Khmerese ones, with very similar results:






As you can see, it wasn't the fighting quality of our enemies that forced us to accept their diktat. Rather, it was sheer numbers. Here is a glimpse at the Taklamakan campaign, in which the Punjabi jackals treacherously stabbed me in the back and forced me to pull troops from the victorious advance into Khmer to deal with them:




As you can see, Punjabis fight about as well as Khmerese. Alas, in the end 90 regiments cannot stand against 230.

Finally, the early stages of the Korean campaign, in which I'm driving back the initial Kongolese attack:



Unfortunately, once Japan lost control of the seas, Croatia reinforced the Kongolese with about 300 regiments, and I couldn't stand against that.

[OrangeYoshi]

Well, that and the fact that once I joined the battles started looking like this:



My men have the best morale in the world.

[von_Rundstedt]

As you can see, it wasn't the fighting quality of our enemies that forced us to accept their diktat.

Oh, yes it was! The fighting quality of the Ethiopian Royal Navy, led by a pair of geniuses!

[Matnjord]

And you forgot to mention that I did trapped 90k khanate legionnaries in the Sinkiang desert with my costly victory. Strategy trumps tactics!

(and stack wipped a legion )

Glorious Punjabi's feats of arms shall not be forgotten!

[King of Men]

And you forgot to mention that I did trapped 90k khanate legionnaries in the Sinkiang desert with my costly victory. Strategy trumps tactics!

Nah, I could easily have got out of there, but once you were out into the open steppe it wasn't worth continuing the fight on that front.

and stack wiped a legion

No you didn't.

[OrangeYoshi]

No you didn't.

He stack wiped a Qin army.

[Matnjord]

Yes I did, when I first entered your territory my troops met a single legion (approximatively 27k) and obliterated them.

Nah, I could easily have got out of there, but once you were out into the open steppe it wasn't worth continuing the fight on that front.

I'm sure 90k men would have easily escapped with 230k gurkhas coming from the north and 200K coming from the west!

He stack wiped a Qin army.

That was in the previous war, when I paid back for their unfortunate death.

[King of Men]

Yes I did, when I first entered your territory my troops met a single legion (approximatively 27k) and obliterated them.

Ah, ok. That wasn't a Legion, those were just a local garrison troops, rebel hunters.

I'm sure 90k men would have easily escapped with 230k gurkhas coming from the north and 200K coming from the west!

Yes, in fact they would have; they only needed to move one province and they had leaders with high Maneuver scores. They would have gotten there first, survived a few days of battle with your doomstack, and then been free to retreat east. I remind you that in the previous war I managed to retreat an army from Poland into Denmark through enemy territory, pursued all the while by a Bavarian doomstack. It's really quite hard to destroy a stack of any size in the current tech environment.

[Matnjord]

Yes, in fact they would have; they only needed to move one province and they had leaders with high Maneuver scores. They would have gotten there first, survived a few days of battle with your doomstack, and then been free to retreat east. I remind you that in the previous war I managed to retreat an army from Poland into Denmark through enemy territory, pursued all the while by a Bavarian doomstack. It's really quite hard to destroy a stack of any size in the current tech environment.

Maybe, anyway none of this happened, so who knows?

Ah, ok. That wasn't a Legion, those were just a local garrison troops, rebel hunters.

Dang, my general fooled me by bringing a false eagle! He shall be executed!

[King of Men]

Dang, my general fooled me by bringing a false eagle! He shall be executed!

Next time make them show you captured cannon. Local garrisons aren't given the scale of equipment that Legions, intended to face the armies of Great Powers in set-piece battles, get.

[Matnjord]

Next time make them show you captured cannon. Local garrisons aren't given the scale of equipment that Legions, intended to face the armies of Great Powers in set-piece battles, get.

From this day onward, generals will have to bring back cannons in order to prove their victories! Cannons! And great parades shall be organized to showcase those cannons!

[OrangeYoshi]

Who was that peanut that said large exchanges of land this late in EU3 were impossible?

[King of Men]

He clearly had not expected four Great Powers and two helpers to gang up on three middle-rank nations.

[Irsh Faq]

Hmmm. I would have ranked Qin as a land great power (if the ability to project a thousand regiments to the other side of the globe doesn't make you one, what does?) and Japan as a naval great power before today.

[Sid Meier]

Hmmm. I would have ranked Qin as a land great power (if the ability to project a thousand regiments to the other side of the globe doesn't make you one, what does?) and Japan as a naval great power before today.

Still forgetting the whole overwhelming economic force irsh. Outspent at least ten to one, please do explain the honor in gang raping a power whose only mistake was not to be a ruthless powermonger.

I had only 1200 regiments at the start of hostilities, i had at least 100k stackwiped by Punjab. Facing off against several other countries where 1 million is the MINIMUM amount of force an country is expected to wield as a deterrent.

And I was NEVER able to project 1000 regiments, never; i sent 1000 but everyone can tell you it was a fundamentally stupid decision to make as i certainly did not have 1000 regiments back home. That isn't power project, thats being sucidally reckless, its pretension to great power status, I never had the economy or diplomatic positioning to compete.

I am pretty well disgusted with most of the players here and feel that Jodokus and Golle have had the right idea, I really don't see any reason to get out of bed next week. People will lie to you point blank in the face; I only lost that land for one reason, because i was given false reassurance of aid.

I was lied to by both Punjab and Khmer that they would be coming to our aid, Punjab at the very last minute before session start and Khmer dowed me day 1 instead of dowing V_R. I now know how Lord Eddard from Game of Thrones felt.

Had they they not given me such assurances I would have agreed to the initial peace offer and not have to lose my coast, it is pretty pathetic just how low some people will go to expose just sort of people they truly are.

And now I'm crippled and pretty much out of the game, there's nothing that can be done to recover from this, no one moved to help me even with large promises of aid in the future; and now i have zero I can offer or aid anyone, no one will ever help me from the generosity of their heart, and virtually no one except perhaps KoM will move for balance of power considerations so long as they feel like they can get a slice.

Partition wars are a sickness, it's stupid that 9 countries would feel the overwhelming urge to show off their epeen by gang raping one scolded medium power.

At least half the players in this game have more or less declared they would rather me dead then work to keep the game fun or balanced and have generally conducted themselves in a light unbecomming of being sportive, I really don't know if should or even want to continue.

[King of Men]

China is still a significant regional power. Patience, patience; and je me souviens.