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    Quote Originally Posted by Projekt 919 View Post
    ((Which is why I edited that comment after making it to be out of charachter and jokingly))
    ((good, good, it wasnt changed when i typed my thing. better safe then giving the opposition ammo to use against us))

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frymonmon View Post
    had offered the Union a chance of peace between North and South, we wanted to usher in a Second Era of Good feelings, where North and South worked together, and acted as one country, one people.
    Sir, might I ask how this coincides with previous comments that we must (I am afraid I must paraphrase ((as it was several pages back and I can't find it)) ) "accept" that the south was a "different culture" and had to be treated differently (that is, by giving them more power and military might).

    Quote Originally Posted by King50000 View Post
    Let us not forget, that even though many Whigs and Democrats continue to grumble about this so-called "discrimination" in the military the Davis Compromise was almost overwhelmingly voted into law with only a few "No"s. If the core value of this Union party is hatred towards what we in the SNP and the rest of the South see as equal treatment towards us in an institution as old as the Constitution then why do so many Whigs and Democrats who supported the Compromise now side with the Union party? Would it not have been much more to your party's pleasing to form your own Compromise on the basis of the Davis Compromise but with the military aspects of it let out? And I do not see how we took action to force this Compromise into law. It was voted by Congress legally and with all interested parties present. And as has been repeated time after time along with the Militia Bill, the SNM in no way acts on orders of the SNP or on what it views as would be in the best interests of the SNP. It is a purely regional National Guard force to police the South in times of peace and support the Federal Army with the defense of Southern Cities and Ports in times of war. I do apologize for labeling all of the members of the Union party as pushing for instant-abolition and "act-now" demanders. It is just my viewpoint that not enough was shown by the end of Mr. King's term as president to show that he had even attempted to improve the industry of the South away from the Cotton industry.
    -Nicolas Khur, Inspector-General of the SNM, Commanding-Officer of the U.S. Dragoons
    The economy thrived under Mr. King, with a great expansion in all areas - a great change from under Jackson. Perhaps it was only a minor change as of yet, but such things take time (we cannot suddenly place people into factories just as we cannot suddenly declare slaves to be free - and King was the first who promoted this expansion of industry in such a way - not to demean former presidents, but the idea of industrializing the south by such methods was only recently brought to the attention of Congress and other officials like you and me).

    The core value of the Union Party is just what it would suggest - the Union of the United States of America. The Davis Compromise was a flawed but necessary bill for the time to preserve this Union (and no other bill or amendment was brought to the table from the Whigs at the time, I might note. I myself proposed an amendment removing the ratio - and Mr. McAttack and others convinced the ratio to be lowered from its original even more discriminatory form - and thus we cannot say that we simply ignored the ratio), and acting for better representation and good national defense of the nation as a whole is also an important trait of future unity. We cannot discriminate and still hold ourselves as equals.

    I accept your apology (on behalf of who I may represent) on terming us all "act now"s, and in turn I would like to apologize for my wording of "forcing" the legislation. I did not mean to suggest that the SNP in any way coerced Congress or otherwise sent the legislation against our will - simply that the inclusion and refusal to amend the ratio in otherwise vital legislation for a time of an increasingly volatile south and political climate gave many no option (but in a completely legal and fairly ethical way).

    Quote Originally Posted by Projekt 919 View Post
    ((Which is why the leadership of our party are Military men for the most part, it is our job to herd angry mobs with guns in the correct directions and keep them under control!))
    ((my job is being outsourced to Southerners!))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloa View Post
    Sir, might I ask how this coincides with previous comments that we must (I am afraid I must paraphrase ((as it was several pages back and I can't find it)) ) "accept" that the south was a "different culture" and had to be treated differently (that is, by giving them more power and military might).
    Senator Gallatin,

    Let it be known, that I for one have never advocated giving the South special power over the North, or that the South was some righteous advocate for the country. I for one, believe that any man willing to join a unit and wants to fight for the country, the United States of America is free to do so. In fact, I am against the 1:1 ratio, as it discriminates against the North for having a larger population. I may be from the South, yes, and I do represent a party that seeks to have the South play a bigger role because we feel we are having Northern values forced upon us, but that is no excuse for me to support a provision that seeks to enforce Southern views on the North.

    In all reality, Honorable Senator, all we ask is to be let alone.

    We want to run the South like the South, and have the North run like the North. This, I believe, is the way to create a more perfect Union.

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    Ooh. Big night. We broke the vote record, and had a nice, sensible debate.

    Projekt: Luckily, the in-story elections don't have to follow in-thread elections exactly. The SNP will get more than 5/6ths of the Southern vote, and even part (although a very small part) of the Northern vote.

    Frymonmon: "We want to run the South like the South, and have the North run like the North. This, I believe, is the way to create a more perfect Union." I have got to get that into the update.

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    well esteemed members of the SNP, time to throw in the towel this election is lost to us, however you can try again next time.
    I simply hope the NU has the is prudent enough, cautious and level-headed and can prevent a tear across these states

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    Good job countrymen, for throwing the tyrants of Southern slavery out of the federal government! Do not allow them to keep on thriving, strike at the heart of hatred while they are weak!

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    Really? Give us details about the plight of these immigrants, and soon-to-be President Cameron will surely do much to rectify it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBob View Post
    Current tally:
    Union Party: 12 (There will definitely be no Union Party next election)
    SNP: 3 (You'll get a second chance).
    ((Wow, that's a lot of votes. Also, the SNP would have lost even had we broken into Free Soil, Moderates, and Democrats?

    And heh, there's no chance the Union Party would survive another whole election with the great differences between the more radical Whigs and the Democrats. Given a cooling situation in terms of the Union (and thus "more pressing" issues in the nitpicking that distinguishes them), I predict that party lines will start re-forming right about now.

    What's the vote count on the Militia Bill? ))

    Quote Originally Posted by Red Cesar View Post
    Good job countrymen, for throwing the tyrants of Southern slavery out of the federal government! Do not allow them to keep on thriving, strike at the heart of hatred while they are weak!
    Well, considering that the person in charge was King before, who was hardly a tyrant of Southern slavery, and the vote does not count for the Congressional runs (which are no doubt showing some support for the SNP among former Democrats in the south, although maybe not as much as predicted), I would hardly say that anyone is being "thrown out" (much less that all of them are tyrants, of course).

    Quote Originally Posted by WelshDude View Post
    Really? Give us details about the plight of these immigrants, and soon-to-be President Cameron will surely do much to rectify it.

    ((I suggest you lay down your senate title until later, as it makes no sense for a senator not to be from one of the main parties, also what's your age and all that other stuff?))
    This country was based on the hard work and cooperation of many peoples. Let us commit again to refusing to discriminate with building codes or limited citizenships or other such unnecessary chains on our diverse people, coming into the land of liberty recently, or here for centuries before us.

    ((well, born 1815 would suggest an age of 26 - it might be interesting to see how a young party-less son of immigrants might be in the Senate))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloa View Post
    ((Wow, that's a lot of votes. Also, the SNP would have lost even had we broken into Free Soil, Moderates, and Democrats?

    And heh, there's no chance the Union Party would survive another whole election with the great differences between the more radical Whigs and the Democrats. Given a cooling situation in terms of the Union (and thus "more pressing" issues in the nitpicking that distinguishes them), I predict that party lines will start re-forming right about now.

    What's the vote count on the Militia Bill? ))


    Well, considering that the person in charge was King before, who was hardly a tyrant of Southern slavery, and the vote does not count for the Congressional runs (which are no doubt showing some support for the SNP among former Democrats in the south, although maybe not as much as predicted), I would hardly say that anyone is being "thrown out" (much less that all of them are tyrants, of course).


    This country was based on the hard work and cooperation of many peoples. Let us commit again to refusing to discriminate with building codes or limited citizenships or other such unnecessary chains on our diverse people, coming into the land of liberty recently, or here for centuries before us.

    ((well, born 1815 would suggest an age of 26 - it might be interesting to see how a young party-less son of immigrants might be in the Senate))
    No Actually we would have won, you forget that candidates would have to be fielded for all of those splinter cells, maning you would have to split 8 three ways, not 12. beyond this, I think some more democrats might have converted to SNP without the NU to back them up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avindian View Post
    ((We're assuming, for the moment, that the Senator has been elected as an Independent. My character is 26, hence the birth date; what else would you like to know?))
    1) each senator must be at least 30 years old, 2) must have been a citizen of the United States for at least the past nine years, and 3) must be (at the time of the election) an inhabitant of the state he or she seeks to represent. Uh maybe you were born in 1805 not 1815?

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    No Actually we would have won, you forget that candidates would have to be fielded for all of those splinter cells, meaning you would have to split 8 three ways, not 12. beyond this, I think some more democrats might have converted to SNP without the NU to back them up.
    ((oh yeah, forgot about the candidates not being able to vote part. So yeah, a complete split would have been iffy (it would depend on whether one group dominated the field among the three - if not, then the SNP would have had victory). A two way split (splitting 10 votes between two parties) would be a guaranteed win, though, unless it changed the rhetoric of the election, pushing more to the SNP (but it would still need a substantial amount to tip the scales). Interesting, politics is a mysterious thing sometimes.))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caezaire View Post
    1) each senator must be at least 30 years old, 2) must have been a citizen of the United States for at least the past nine years, and 3) must be (at the time of the election) an inhabitant of the state he or she seeks to represent. Uh maybe you were born in 1805 not 1815?
    ((He can be a Representative as far as I remember the age limit for that's 25, also BBB I think you forgot to put the Presidential Election 1940 on the first post.))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gloa View Post
    ((oh yeah, forgot about the candidates not being able to vote part. So yeah, a complete split would have been iffy (it would depend on whether one group dominated the field among the three - if not, then the SNP would have had victory). A two way split (splitting 10 votes between two parties) would be a guaranteed win, though, unless it changed the rhetoric of the election, pushing more to the SNP (but it would still need a substantial amount to tip the scales). Interesting, politics is a mysterious thing sometimes.))
    ((And Like BBB said since I got either 5/19 or 3/15 votes which equates to either 26.4% or 20% of the vote and my voting base is near exclusively in the south which only has 30% of the countries population I did get 2/3 to 5/6 of the southern vote. Like you said politics is a mysterious thing and I cant wait to see how BBB works it into the story))
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    My fellow Americans, today I pose a question; what does America mean to you? To me America is far greater than those individuals of which it is composed, even though among those individuals are the greatest minds in the world. The first ever nation to successfully rebel against colonial oppression, inspiring similar revolutions across the Americas. A republic, not ruled over by those who inherit power, superstition, or a military dictator, but elected by every man. Such a man’s worth is not determined by his position at birth, but by his ambition, passion and effort. This is a country where the simple son of a clerk, such as myself, can be elevated to the Head of State. In this our great nation is unique, a pillar of humanity and civilisation, a liberalist paradise of man and free thought and free expression. I needn’t therefore explain why it is such a tremendous honour for me to be elected President, I believe the oath of office to be the grandest and highest commitments one can ever make, and I’m sure those eight who proceeded me agree.

    However this nation which I love so is in trouble, our politics is divided, our people are divided. Some answer to this by attempting to further divide and segregate the nation, however I assure you all such an approach will lead to our downfall. Such an approach goes against the principles of this republic. My administration, as I pledged upon putting myself up for election shall encompass all. This will not be an administration of North or South, Dixie or Yankee, or any artificial divide we may conger, but of Americans. My approach in office will not be for any short term political gain, rather for the long-term continued prosperity of the Union as a whole. That much I guarantee.

    Here’s to a glorious four years.

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    We the elected representatives of the people of the United States of America hereby give the President and his Cabinet the right to use military force against the Republic of Mexico if its violation of our nation’s sovereignty continues.


    I submit this Declaration to Congress.

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    Today is a glorius day for all Americans!

    Not only has the North accepted the ticket of peace within the country but the majority of the South as well! A triumph for moderation above populism and attempts to create civil war!

    I am thrilled that my fellow Americans have elected President Cameron and myself as Vice President. United our house shall stand!

    Long Live the Republic!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATTACK77 View Post
    Today is a glorius day for all Americans!

    Not only has the North accepted the ticket of peace within the country but the majority of the South as well! A triumph for moderation above populism and attempts to create civil war!

    I am thrilled that my fellow Americans have elected President Cameron and myself as Vice President. United our house shall stand!

    Long Live the Republic!
    ((You probably didnt see, but statistically speaking the SNP won the vast majority of the southern vote considering nearly all SNP votes were cast by southerners and since the south only has roughly 30% of the countries population 20-26.4% of the total Vote indicates a huge victory in the south with the SNP winning 2/3 to 5/6 of the vote. BBB can confirm this))
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    A believer in that faint glimmer of hope that we Southerners will not fall into the dustbin of history and may one day have our own Country Again
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    Student of International Affairs
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