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Even more reason.
Don't vote for yourselves guys.
Mr. Cameron, King's vote will not be counted.
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Democrat: Thomas McAttack
Merger: Yes
To Thomas J. L. Davis
How the 'Southern Nationalist' Party can call itself the unity party when it is deeply opposed by more than half the country is completely and utterly opposed to it is completely beyond me. You say we Democrats ruined the country under Jackson, yet you stood with us four years ago. You say you will boost the southern economy, and defend the south's rights, but you do not say how. You're party has no policies and no principles, you have hijacked the lobbies for compromise and southern nationalism in a blatant attempt to advance your own personal ambitions. You are a disgrace to America.
((Will the Whig-democrat ticket be decided by the nominees or all characters?))
Merger: Yes
To Thomas J. L. Davis
How the 'Southern Nationalist' Party can call itself the unity party when it is deeply opposed by more than half the country is completely and utterly opposed to it is completely beyond me. You say we Democrats ruined the country under Jackson, yet you stood with us four years ago. You say you will boost the southern economy, and defend the south's rights, but you do not say how. You're party has no policies and no principles, you have hijacked the lobbies for compromise and southern nationalism in a blatant attempt to advance your own personal ambitions. You are a disgrace to America.
((Will the Whig-democrat ticket be decided by the nominees or all characters?))
((Wha-....I'm on the ballet? Cool 
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As much as I hate to see the Whig party working with those who do not wish for the complete abolition of slavery, we must create a united front against the SNP and their hate mongering ideology! Vote to put the workers in power! Vote to put Unions at the forefront of protecting the workers rights! Vote for total freedom!
Merger: Yes
((Totally willing to sacrifice this character in any pro-abolitionist or pro-workers type event thing.))
))As much as I hate to see the Whig party working with those who do not wish for the complete abolition of slavery, we must create a united front against the SNP and their hate mongering ideology! Vote to put the workers in power! Vote to put Unions at the forefront of protecting the workers rights! Vote for total freedom!
Merger: Yes
((Totally willing to sacrifice this character in any pro-abolitionist or pro-workers type event thing.))
1. The fact that more than half the country is utterly opposed to us is our fate for fighting for what we believe in, but we have done more to save the union with my Davis Plan and our militia keeping order than either of your squabbling parties
2. I stood with you because the alternative, the whigs and Arthur King were by far the greater of two evils, and I believed the democrats would stand for what they believed in not steadily waste away after a lost election.
3.You Want More Specifics, I will Give you specifics
-To Improve the Southern Economy
-Construction of A winery in Georgia, A liquor Factory in Tennesee, A cement Plant in Virginia, a regular clothes factory in North Carolina, and a small arms factory in Kentucky.
-Lower Tariffs to make it easier to export southern cotton and tobacco and to decrease the price of imported british cloth, clothing, and manufactured goods
To Defend Southern Rights
-The SNM will step up regular training from twice to four times a year to make them more ready to maintain law and order or defend against a british or mexican attack
-The SNP will make furthur concessions towards the improvement of the treatment of slaves including housing, feeding, and auctioning regulations to provide for the continuation of the system
The SNP will pass a law that requires any non-military or infrastructure related out of state spendingto be approved by the legislature of the state from whom the funds are being appropriated
-The SNP will fortify strategic southern ports and cities against a possible british Invasion as well as stategic northern cities and ports
-The SNP president and senate presence will veto or vote against any bill that seeks to make the south suboordinate to the rest of the country or treats southerners like any less than a seperate cultural and ethnic group
4. -Construction of A winery in Georgia, A liquor Factory in Tennesee, A cement Plant in Virginia, a regular clothes factory in North Carolina, and a small arms factory in Kentucky.
-Lower Tariffs to make it easier to export southern cotton and tobacco and to decrease the price of imported british cloth, clothing, and manufactured goods
To Defend Southern Rights
-The SNM will step up regular training from twice to four times a year to make them more ready to maintain law and order or defend against a british or mexican attack
-The SNP will make furthur concessions towards the improvement of the treatment of slaves including housing, feeding, and auctioning regulations to provide for the continuation of the system
The SNP will pass a law that requires any non-military or infrastructure related out of state spendingto be approved by the legislature of the state from whom the funds are being appropriated
-The SNP will fortify strategic southern ports and cities against a possible british Invasion as well as stategic northern cities and ports
-The SNP president and senate presence will veto or vote against any bill that seeks to make the south suboordinate to the rest of the country or treats southerners like any less than a seperate cultural and ethnic group
-Hijacked, From Whom? As far as I am aware I am the first to advance these policies on a organized level.
5.-I originally did not want to get involved in politics ((If you want to go back and read my charachter bio you can see that)) I only got involved because I felt the South and the Union were threatened by the disasterous policies of President King and the Situation in texas.
6. -I Have no response to your thinking I am a disgrace to America, I do not think this comment is justified or needed. Nor do I understand why you have made it.
-Thomas J.L. Davis
-God Save The Union and God Save The South
Join and Vote SNP
(Image Courtesy of Senator Hensdales office)
(Image Courtesy of Senator Hensdales office)
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(( Should the merger get more yays than nays, whichever candidate got the most votes in the process will write the party manifesto for the general election - correct?
Generally speaking, it'll be up to their discretion to try to appeal to the broad coalition that voted for the merger, or else votes for merger but different primary candidates won't carry over to them.
And I swear, the authoritarian party structure of the Southern Nationalists will be their undoing. The idea of solving the splintering nature of the similarly authoritarian traditional far left party structure inherited from Marxists by focusing on a single powerful personality rather than a central committee, and having a pyramid strucutre that goes from the dictator of a party chapter up to another dictator until reaching the peak of the grand high dictator - rather than by going from lesser to greater committees - is a flawed one and even more fragile. Projekt has brought fascism to this AAR early, but his party won't last when it relies on a single ego the way it does.))
Generally speaking, it'll be up to their discretion to try to appeal to the broad coalition that voted for the merger, or else votes for merger but different primary candidates won't carry over to them.
And I swear, the authoritarian party structure of the Southern Nationalists will be their undoing. The idea of solving the splintering nature of the similarly authoritarian traditional far left party structure inherited from Marxists by focusing on a single powerful personality rather than a central committee, and having a pyramid strucutre that goes from the dictator of a party chapter up to another dictator until reaching the peak of the grand high dictator - rather than by going from lesser to greater committees - is a flawed one and even more fragile. Projekt has brought fascism to this AAR early, but his party won't last when it relies on a single ego the way it does.))
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At this point, Cameron and McAttack would get hitched and plan out a ticket. Essentially, if Cameron got more votes, he'd be the Presidential candidate and McAttack the Vice Presidential candidate, but the policies would (in an ideal ticket) have at least a bit of both.
EDIT: Perhaps this might be a good definition; In an ideal ticket, the President is the face, but shares at least part of his brain with the Vice President.
I rather like the main egos of the thread ;-). We have the abolitionist Whig who's hard stance has alienated his party, we have the socialist Whig who is running a tragic campaign, and of course the leader of a Southern supremacist movement. All this character will make the final explosion of the Civil War more interesting.
(( You really dislike my parties stucture don't you? Is it principle or what? I wouldn't say that we are some kind of fascist-prototype, I think the Colonel is merely tring to command his party like he used to command his brigade. This entails a Hierarchial structure for maximum efficiency, it took the SNP what, a hour or two to pick its ticket; hows that coming for y'all?))
Yes, quite. it's exactly what I intended to create. An AAR driven by the characters, not by the political parties and ideologies the thread starter (in this case me) gives you.
I would support a Democrat-Whig merger on the condition that we appoint a member from one party as President and a member from the other as Vice President.
I would also ask for a situation in which the single candidate with the most nominations at this stage gets to be the dual party Presidential candidate. In practise if one Wig candidate got 5 votes and another 3 votes whilst a Democrat got 7 votes the Democrat would become the Presidential candidate. We are to become a single party afterall.
I would also ask for a situation in which the single candidate with the most nominations at this stage gets to be the dual party Presidential candidate. In practise if one Wig candidate got 5 votes and another 3 votes whilst a Democrat got 7 votes the Democrat would become the Presidential candidate. We are to become a single party afterall.
ATTACK: I imagine if the merger goes through whatever person got the most votes becomes the candidate. And unless any special agreement, the runner up becomes veep. That will probably mean you, the non-moderate but anti-SNP Democrat will be president if things go on as they are and the moderate Whig Cameron will be Vice President. I think it would work better, having a non-moderate Democrat like you as the likely union presidential candidate, to have former president King as the veep in order to not hemmorage those with less respect for the current voting than I; but if Cameron is the runner up he's the runner up and there's nothing I can do than to try to petition him to step down as Veep apparent in favor of Arthur King.
PROJEKT: I don't dislike it, it's just doomed to fail for exactly the qualities you are praising. History has shown us that the worst democracy is better than the best dictatorship. Authoritarianism as an arc of human history is a strong one, even vibrant, but that's because democracy has never been shy about using the tools of oppression. However rigid self-appointed hierarchy cannot exist on its own - that's why every plutocracy and oligarchy bothers with a separate popular party - the coalition of conservatism with semi-liberalization; and why the most successful socialist movements against said coalitions are mass movements rather than Blanquist cliques. Authoritarianism requires an open vehicle to thrive and perpetuate into the generations, within a closed system like yours it will burn itself out like Ebola rather than spread like the flu.
Ultimately it is always the cooperation of the liberals or the social democrats, the creation of an open party to corrupt and bribe and intimidate from without rather than shut off and rule absolutely from within, that allows successful tyrannies like the British Tories to survive and dooms tyrannies like your own and that of all fascism to fail.
PROJEKT: I don't dislike it, it's just doomed to fail for exactly the qualities you are praising. History has shown us that the worst democracy is better than the best dictatorship. Authoritarianism as an arc of human history is a strong one, even vibrant, but that's because democracy has never been shy about using the tools of oppression. However rigid self-appointed hierarchy cannot exist on its own - that's why every plutocracy and oligarchy bothers with a separate popular party - the coalition of conservatism with semi-liberalization; and why the most successful socialist movements against said coalitions are mass movements rather than Blanquist cliques. Authoritarianism requires an open vehicle to thrive and perpetuate into the generations, within a closed system like yours it will burn itself out like Ebola rather than spread like the flu.
Ultimately it is always the cooperation of the liberals or the social democrats, the creation of an open party to corrupt and bribe and intimidate from without rather than shut off and rule absolutely from within, that allows successful tyrannies like the British Tories to survive and dooms tyrannies like your own and that of all fascism to fail.
((If you are implying that my little exchange with frymmomon/Senator Hensdale was a indication that my party is not open to influece from below I apologize for that impression. In Politics perception is everything and one of my parties points of appeal is that it appears as a singular strong and unified force demoloshing all in front of it to this point. I am quite open to suggestions and influence, the positions I give my party members are not hollow awards but I am giving them real areas of influence to focus and make suggestions on. My structure is not so different from yours of comitees, I have just made a bigger pyramid and replaced commitees with individuals, its much more efficient. I am also not trying to achieve authoritarianism through democracy, just the opposite I am trying to achieve democracy through a authoritarian party))
Ah, yes. Mr. davis, what say you to the final proposed amendment to your compromise of TEMPORARY extra Yankee units in times of war?
Which is why you will lose this game, if such a thing can be said to occur in a game like this. Why the sheer inertia of history makes your ultimate and utter defeat inevitable. Because authoritarianism through democracy can be quite successful, and might be the most successful system there is, but democracy through authoritarianism can never work.
Dictatorship is the inferior of democracy always, which is why every "benevolent dictator" like you are setting yourself up as - every attempt to create democracy through authoritarianism - fails. Alexander the Great's empire shattered upon his death, Catherine the Great did not even get her own funeral - they dug up her husband to make him the focus, destroying her legacy of strong queenship the moment she was dead. No dictatorship, however benevolent, can ever have the last word - can ever define the arc of history. You cannot win.