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    Fascism is not selfish, it is selfless and calls upon the people to be selfless, devoting all their energy to the cause of the state, and the leadership would too. Fascism calls not for the destruction of democracy, but its reforming. Our current democratic system is based around geography, what sense is behind that? Does it seriously make sense for a shipbuilder to vote for the same representative as a farmer merely because they live near each other? Surely it is more sensible for the shipbuilder, with all his expertise and experience to vote along with other shipbuilders to elect someone who can properly represent their collective interests, and the same for the farmer. I propose that the House of Representatives and State Assemblies be rearranged so people elect representatives of their particular lot in life, who'd be able to properly speak for that subject and ensure legislation and such best serves their sector. What does a former businessman know of firefighting for example? Nothing and thus firemen should have their representation in our Congress. I also propose that elected governors be replaced with Presidential appointees, their purpose being to co-ordinate the actions of the individual states and the federal government along with the other states, so that we may work more efficiently and be united in purpose as a nation. Power should be placed in the hands of a few strong and decisive men, how can our nation survive in these modern times if what must be done is scrapped and delayed due to bickering between wide-eyed idealists and those who look only for their own interests. Would you prefer riots and anarchy? You spend so much time accusing others of being communists that you don't seem to realise you espouse drivel of the exact same nature.
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    ((I believe Italy is not actually fascist, though I may be wrong...))

    Firstly; the charge that my tenure as Secretary of the Treasury has been unsuccessful, I refute, because it simply is not true. On gaining office, this administration has been faced with the façade of success that the previous Republican government had produced through the laxity of it's regulation. The necessary steps taken may be seen to have precipitated to the crisis, but this was a crisis that would have happened regardless of government actions, would have been seriously worse had the steps that I took whilst at the Treasury had not been taken and is liable to happen again without sufficient regulation in place, of which I see the Banking reforms enacted 8 years ago as the starting point. Working with the Vice-President, I have been able to stimulate and sustain a recovery.

    Further government subsidies to key industries and further capital expenditure, such as the construction of intercity express-ways to cope with the increased volume of traffic on our roads, will help to further stimulate the economy at a time when recovery is fragile and provide the necessary infrastructure for future prosperity. Further regulation, such as the creation of mandatory capital buffers on both retail and investment banks, will help prevent this country from ever reaching such economic depths again.


    Secondly; I believe that social reform is necessary to make our society a fairer place and increase the liberty of our citizens:

    We should be reforming public services to reduce the discrimination often inherent in the system; be it children being indoctrinated against certain groups in schools, health care failing to be provided to those who need it most or a whole host of other issues.

    We should be reforming public services to ensure they work correctly; be it by introducing inspectorates for schools, hospitals, the police or the myriad of other services provided either by federal or state governments, by introducing minimum requirements for schemes such that those that do not achieve their targets are no longer funded indiscriminately or by embracing civil service reform that will speed up the enactment of legislation.

    We should be reforming public services to ensure money is not being wasted, such as by introducing means testing on benefits to let those who need the money most get it whilst those who don't don't.


    Finally; we should not, as a society, embrace the extremism presented by both the Fascists and the Republicans.

    Fascist militarism will achieve nothing but more wars.
    Republican isolationism will prevent our country from aiding our allies and will only cause more countries to fall to communism or fascism.
    Fascist state control of industry will prevent all innovation in our economy and strangle growth.
    Republican economic policy is the recipe for more economic crises.
    Fascist social policies would remove all personal liberty.
    Republican social policies would leave 99% of the population either starving, homeless or in danger being so.

    Instead we should be responsible overseas with diplomatic, and needed economic, aid to legitimate governments under attack by rebels. Instead, we should defend our principles and our allies from attack by other, without being aggressive. Instead, we should help fund projects and ensure key industries can survive and promote policies that create economic stability. Instead, we should be using social policies to create a society where everyone is both free and free from poverty.


    It is for these reasons I hope Progressives will unite behind me in the coming primary and why America should unite behind the Progressive party to ensure four more years of social justice and financial stability.
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    I vote Yes to the District of Columbia Representation Amendment.
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    Yes to the District of Columbia Representative Amendment.
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    Yes to the D.C. representative amendment.

    Men and woment of the US, all of my opponents are saying I want to pull us into a WORLD WAR? And in this economy? NO! I want to spend the first 2 years building the economy back, THEN go into war when we're on our feet. These drivel don't know what war does for the people! It gives us a reason to celebrate! To be prestigious! To be PATRIOTIC! Are these men promising patriotism? I didn't think so.
    Also after talking strongly with my parakeet, I have decided to take another issue under my wing. CIVIL RIGHTS! In my presidency I will completely eliminate legal segregation.

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    ((You sure your name isn't Nightmore?))
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    ((Yeah, why? I don't get the reference.))

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    ((Jerry Nightmore, or perhaps one of his other relatives, consistently, and insanely, argued for American warmongering and world domination; very hawkish, very insane. Maybe your parakeet is his reincarnated spirit, then...))
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    Yes to the D.C. Representative Amendment.

    Mr. Mccahill has done a decent job, I'll give him that much. But he just doesn't got what it takes to make a stand against big business. He proposes limited interventionism and moderate reforms, and while these are a step in the right direction they simply aren't enough.

    This is a massive crisis that needs heavy duty reconstruction. We need to take a stand, right here, and right now. We need massive change, because if we don't stand up to the bullies who're holding America hostage, then ultimately we'll crash and burn and our people will starve to death. We need to take drastic measures! Stand with me, America, because if you don't then you'll find yourselves in the hands of cowards and corporate slavers!
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    I vote Yes the District of Columbia Representative Amendment.

    Absolute power corrupts, absolutely. So if I had four children and all of them wanted to have something different for dinner. One wants chicken another salad, another hamburgers, and another wants pasta. What do you do then? How do you choose one from another? Or do you just say were having sandwiches? Which would mean you are a dictator because you just dictated what they were going to have but they didn't want. Your ideals Mr. Spencer would not work. You are fragmenting a society, into different groups of people. Also, how could you have a politician for each different group of people, that would go into thousands of politicians, then who would pay for their salaries in a economic depression? That would just increase the depression for years to come. As well it the power could not to put in the hands of a few strong men, would they not bicker and kill each other over absolute power? And what if the "representatives" disagree with these all powerful leaders or propose a law that the leaders do not agree with. Will they be killed? Finally, what if a farmers' child does not want to be a farmer but being surrounded by farmers' and such how could they just do what they want! Or do you decide what other children must do? These are the questions left on answered by your ideologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccardo93 View Post
    ((Jerry Nightmore, or perhaps one of his other relatives, consistently, and insanely, argued for American warmongering and world domination; very hawkish, very insane. Maybe your parakeet is his reincarnated spirit, then...))
    ((Is Nightmore no longer around? I was expecting his support. Though I'm sure this Senator and his parakeet will considering most of the Progressives are quite pacifistic.))

    There are thousands of politicians as is, the difference being under my system they're arranged by profession rather than geography. I also do not propose dictatorship or absolute power, merely increased power in the hands of fewer people. In Britain the Prime Minister has substantially more power than our President but would you call it a dictatorship? Are they killed now if they disagree with the executive? Your accusations are completely absent of facts. Why under my system would the child have to be a farmer? He can choose and later switch his profession just as he does now, the difference shall be in the execution of the profession, with things like price controls, standardised wages, government oversight, state unions that co-operate with the representatives of business, with the power of government mediating to ensure that both get a fair deal and both workers and management do the best they possibly can for the sake of the nation.
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    ((He be still be around, I dunno. He's about 60 now, so maybe. You actually could get some support, mainly from the crazy Progressives, Longstrum and Willis.))

    Though it is a moot point, I will vote for Congressman Blancharde.
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    ((One vote and it's for the only guy running for the Republicans. I can see this primary season being pretty flat...))
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    ((One vote and it's for the only guy running for the Republicans. I can see this primary season being pretty flat...))
    Well, you did flood the first post-Primary Post page with debate, so people may be waiting for it to die down in fear of any votes posted during debating season being lost among the walls of text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBob View Post
    Well, you did flood the first post-Primary Post page with debate, so people may be waiting for it to die down in fear of any votes posted during debating season being lost among the walls of text.
    ((True, true. Guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens.))
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    Alec Willis is now taking questions from voters. His parakeets is also keen for some questions
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    I would like to know your economic plan, if you were to be elected, Senator Willis and pet.
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    Well first off I would build troops in small armies at a time, so I didn't crash so early on. Then I would instill a state capitalism system and build factories of high selling items like luxery furnitures. I would also give subsides to big corporations that are struggling, like Willis Cannery.

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    I will vote Aye on DCRA. I also enthusiastically endorse my father's good friend, Blancharde.

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