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    Nonsense Mr Hayden! Stop you Scaremongering! American industry shall continue to grow and Americas economy shall continue to boom. It is only negativity from people like yourself that threatens our economy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spitfire5793 View Post
    Nonsense Mr Hayden! Stop you Scaremongering! American industry shall continue to grow and Americas economy shall continue to boom. It is only negativity from people like yourself that threatens our economy!

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    "Negativity" What metaphysical hogwash. What threatens our economy is the financialization and creation of a fictional market, composed solely of the trading of paper. The only reason you seek to draw attention away from my points and candidacy so that you can continue to profit until the last second and leave the government and working people holding the tab and in dire straits.

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    Actually, we have the gold standard... ((at least, I think we do...)) so it's not trading of paper. I hate the fearmongering, since I was accused of it years ago (by your fatehr actually, Mr. Howard)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Riccardo93 View Post
    Actually, we have the gold standard... ((at least, I think we do...)) so it's not trading of paper. I hate the fearmongering, since I was accused of it years ago (by your fatehr actually, Mr. Howard)...
    ((Historically, this is the beginning of the creation of the financial sector. In Marxist terms, the gold doesn't matter, there is no actual labor being traded, merely ownership or debt. Thus the phrase "fictional economy".))

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    With this recent talk of intervening abroad, I would add that under my leadership, the United States would not go to war unless attacked or called upon by an ally. I would define allies as those countries we have a formal treaty with, approved by the Senate.

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    Daniel Vallejo's presidency has been good to us. But the only way this boom is to be continued is if we have the square deal Joe Hayden proposes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blindgoose View Post
    "Negativity" What metaphysical hogwash. What threatens our economy is the financialization and creation of a fictional market, composed solely of the trading of paper. The only reason you seek to draw attention away from my points and candidacy so that you can continue to profit until the last second and leave the government and working people holding the tab and in dire straits.
    Pessimistic words only serve to destabilise the markets and destroy the confidence of consumers. Our economy will only fail because of men like yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King50000 View Post
    And what loss Mr Carlsson? Aside from the casualties among the civilian population thanks to the actions of Williams, there has been no massive loss of people living within the south.
    I refer to the slavery issue, since most slaves moved on to the northern states or returned to africa in the worst moments of the civil war.

    And please do not take my word as fact, I am not more than a simple southern gentleman, maybe I was told something else by our civil war veterans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thekinguter View Post
    I refer to the slavery issue, since most slaves moved on to the northern states or returned to africa in the worst moments of the civil war.

    And please do not take my word as fact, I am not more than a simple southern gentleman, maybe I was told something else by our civil war veterans.
    ((There has been no migration north from what I have been able to see in each update, so all the African-Americans that were living in the south before the war are still there.))

    When exactly have they moved north? From what I have heard from our civil workers in the census bureau, they have remained in the south, working in the factories there and alongside the whites in the share-cropping fields.

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    King is right here, TTL the biggest post-Civil War migration has been the one West. It was made quicker by the Influenza Epidemic of 1862, which sprang from the South, but apart from that, there haven't been any specifically Southern factors.

    PS. Would anyone object to the presidential race getting started late today?

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    Okay. I'm calling it.

    Polls are Closed.

    Candidates are:
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    ACP: Samuel Lee Davis
    Democratic: Joe Hayden

    Get platforms to me ASAP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigBadBob View Post
    Okay. I'm calling it.

    Polls are Closed.

    Candidates are:
    Federal: Daniel Vallejo
    ACP: Samuel Lee Davis
    Democratic: Joe Hayden

    Get platforms to me ASAP.

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    ((Give me a bit to contact possible VPs. I didn't actually think I'd win.))

    Mr. Howard, it is not the sober-mindedness of forward looking men like myself which will bring our economy crashing down. No, rather, it is the impulsive, short-sighted action of greedy men as yourself which will guarantee it.

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    There are two ideas of government. There are those who believe that if you legislate to make the wealthy prosperous, that their prosperity will be bestowed benevolently by them upon those who make their prosperity possible. The Democratic idea has been that if you legislate to make the working-class prosperous, their prosperity will find its way up and through every class that rests upon it. For the producing masses, are the consuming masses, and their prosperity is the direct instigator of the prosperity of the owners.

    You come to us and tell us that the great barons of industry and finance are in favor of the gold standard. I tell you that the great barons rest upon these broad and fertile prairies, upon the toil and labor of the industrial and agrarian working-class. Disappear your great barons and leave our farms and ingenuity, and your industry and prosperity will spring up again as if by magic. But destroy our farms and ingenuity, and the grass will grow in the streets of every city in the country.

    If they dare to come out in the open field and defend the gold standard, their fictional economy, as a good thing, we shall fight them to the uttermost, having behind us the working-classes of the nation and the world. Having behind us the ingenuity and productivity all the toiling masses, we shall answer their demands for a gold standard by saying to them, you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Projekt 919 View Post
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    Excellent. Nice to meet you Mr. Harper.

    I now only need the Democratic Platform and VP pick, and I'll be good to go.
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