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    Quote Originally Posted by ATTACK77 View Post
    Well, it seems that the Democrats haev their 3 candidates and I believe the Whigs do as well. So what now?
    we just wait for BBB to stop on by and anounce that the voting will start i think

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    Adam Colins: Head of Oregon State Millita
    It is of the up most importance that we let the Texan revolution play itself out top the full and not become an abortive rising then taken over and master minded by the USA. If we allow ourselves to meddle in the affairs of people not within the nations borders then how are we any different than the colonial powers of Europe? Texas should be given subsidies and also diplomatic aid to reach a settlement with Mexico, however military aid should not be considered unless we are asked.
    This policy should apply to all nations, the USA must never involve itself unless explicitly asked for help and even then the nations interest must be considered.

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    Name: Sebastian Carr
    Age: 38 (1798)
    Position: New York Whig Senator
    History: Sebastian Carr is a bit of a political unknown. Born of a Scots-German artist who had previously served under General George Washington in the Revolutionary War, he showed an interest in political affairs at a relatively young age. He would go on to be elected as mayor of the town of Rochester, New York, and would later be chosen as a Senator to the United States Senate as a Whig. He also adopted abolitionist views.

    Colonization Bill: Yes
    I'm surprised Europeans want anything to do with America after the Revolution and the War of 1812. No matter, if that is not enough to convince them, then showing them that we will not hesitate to use force to keep them out of our side of the world will.

    Texas Bill: Yes
    The Texans are Americans, just like the rest of us. I have heard that Sam Houston even intends to drag the Mexicans into Lousiana, forcing us to intervene either way. If this is not enough to convince us that the Texan Republic wishes to be another star on the flag, then I'm not sure what is.
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    Nicolas Khur: Ohio Senator
    But how can you sit idly by and just let these people continue to fight on against this Mexican tyrany when most of these Texans still hold U.S. citizenship? By not sending military aid to our brothers-in-arms then we would be condeming them and anyone else not within the confines of American borders to oppresion by foreign armies. You yourself Mr. Colins should know of this since the Oregon territory is not fully a U.S. territory but yet you still wish for her troops to come to you and your people's aid. What is so different between you in Oregon and General Houston in Texas? You were both born in the U.S. and you both retain your U.S. citizenship. So what I am trying to say is that going to the of Texas would not be meddling in with the affairs of foreign courts but going to the aid of our brothers and neighbors, for what if France had done as you say and not meddled in with the Revolution? We may have lost the war and all for the fact that France may not have
    meddle in the affairs of people not within the nations borders
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    Quote Originally Posted by King50000 View Post
    Nicolas Khur: Ohio Senator
    But how can you sit idly by and just let these people continue to fight on against this Mexican tyrany when most of these Texans still hold U.S. citizenship? By not sending military aid to our brothers-in-arms then we would be condeming them and anyone else not within the confines of American borders to oppresion by foreign armies. You yourself Mr. Colins should know of this since the Oregon territory is not fully a U.S. territory but yet you still wish for her troops to come to you and your people's aid. What is so different between you in Oregon and General Houston in Texas? You were both born in the U.S. and you both retain your U.S. citizenship. So what I am trying to say is that going to the of Texas would not be meddling in with the affairs of foreign courts but going to the aid of our brothers and neighbors, for what if France had done as you say and not meddled in with the Revolution? We may have lost the war and all for the fact that France may not have .
    Mr Khur i said that we should not go to the aid of Texas militarily unless asked. I have sent the plea to Washington for military assistance, my millita as brave as they are are too few, the Russians too many and the red skins too ferocious. We must not hi-jack the Texan revolution unless we are directly asked by General Houston. Do not confuse the situation Senator, I support the Texan cause and we do need to help them, by coming as a third party and by economic and political means forcing Mexico to the table and recognising Texas as an independent nation. We should then support and help this new independent nation as an ally and friend. If we are asked we should aid our allies. If it is needed we should ride to Austin and rout the Mexican Army and force Santa Anna back over the River. However at this time I believe that sanctions and political pressure are all that is necessary. I wish to see a free and independent Texas as much as everyone, i simply disagree with the method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robb1993 View Post
    Mr Khur i said that we should not go to the aid of Texas militarily unless asked. I have sent the plea to Washington for military assistance, my millita as brave as they are are too few, the Russians too many and the red skins too ferocious. We must not hi-jack the Texan revolution unless we are directly asked by General Houston. Do not confuse the situation Senator, I support the Texan cause and we do need to help them, by coming as a third party and by economic and political means forcing Mexico to the table and recognising Texas as an independent nation. We should then support and help this new independent nation as an ally and friend. If we are asked we should aid our allies. If it is needed we should ride to Austin and rout the Mexican Army and force Santa Anna back over the River. However at this time I believe that sanctions and political pressure are all that is necessary. I wish to see a free and independent Texas as much as everyone, i simply disagree with the method.
    But how long are you willing to wait for Texas to ask for assistance? When the Mexicans are at our border and General Houston's army crushed? Sanctions and political pressure will not help Texas win their Independence. Santa Anna considers himself the Napoleon of the West and is acting accordingly. He will not bow down to politicaly pressure from us just like the true Napoleon did not when England tried. Will we stand idly by as the Texans are slaughtered, one town at a time? I understand the plight of your millitia and I sympathize, hell I've even tryed to get a similar colonization bill passed to send troops to your aid before, but the general public wishes for the problem on our doorstep to be delt with before we worry about what's going on at the edge of our lawn.

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    Ceaser Vinograd: New York Labor Union Chairman
    As stated by the Ohio Militiaman, Intervention in a foreign country is just absurd! We've got men starving in our own streets, and you demand war!? You are no better than the colonial European powers we fought against for our own freedom! Unless the common man is directly threatened, no Intervention damnit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by King50000 View Post
    But how long are you willing to wait for Texas to ask for assistance? When the Mexicans are at our border and General Houston's army crushed? Sanctions and political pressure will not help Texas win their Independence. Santa Anna considers himself the Napoleon of the West and is acting accordingly. He will not bow down to politicaly pressure from us just like the true Napoleon did not when England tried. Will we stand idly by as the Texans are slaughtered, one town at a time? I understand the plight of your millitia and I sympathize, hell I've even tryed to get a similar colonization bill passed to send troops to your aid before, but the general public wishes for the problem on our doorstep to be delt with before we worry about what's going on at the edge of our lawn.
    then perhaps the situation is a middle road. The Texas Garrission Act, we install a force of troops in every major settlement in Texas to defend it from Mexican troops allowing the Texan people to take cover in our blockhouses and redoubts as a neutral party Mexico dare not attack us, this way we can preserve the Texan people from reprisal, we can also arm and equip the Texan Army if the need be. However do we dare risk open war along all of our southern and western borders. If we do go to war in defence of Texas we must make sure that the war is over within weeks if not months. It would also mean there-after having to maintain troops in numbers all over the Mexican-American border. Let Santa Anna think he is Napoleon, his army's where driven out of Texas before they can be driven out again by the Texan people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Cesar View Post
    Ceaser Vinograd: New York Labor Union Chairman
    As stated by the Ohio Militiaman, Intervention in a foreign country is just absurd! We've got men starving in our own streets, and you demand war!? You are no better than the colonial European powers we fought against for our own freedom! Unless the common man is directly threatened, no Intervention damnit!
    Do not confuse my belief in Isolationism with this liberal tosh. I stand for Just War and a legitimate war that is not thrust upon the people of Texas but asked for by their government.
    Also Ceaser do you not think the reprisals the Mexican army will be carrying out throughout the region count as the common man under threat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Cesar View Post
    Ceaser Vinograd: New York Labor Union Chairman
    As stated by the Ohio Militiaman, Intervention in a foreign country is just absurd! We've got men starving in our own streets, and you demand war!? You are no better than the colonial European powers we fought against for our own freedom! Unless the common man is directly threatened, no Intervention damnit!
    Sebastian Carr: New York Senator
    If I may be so bold to say, sir, the common man is directly threatened. Do you not see Santa Anna out there, slaughtering the Texans, who are nothing more but American migrants? The Texans ask for a few more political rights, a closer state capital, and less government interference in their lives, and what happens? They're laughed and shot at.

    Even if we weren't to do anything about it, Samuel Houston intends to bring the Mexicans out of Texas and into Lousiana. Even if we do not interfere as is, we will be forced to fight them off anyways.

    As for your comment about men starving in our own streets...that's a stupid lie. I know my home city like the back of my hand, and I've never seen a starving man there. Even if there were any starving men, it's their own fault for not picking up rifles and finding game, as they should be doing. Forgive me if I don't believe that food magically appears on a plate, sir.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Sebastian Carr: New York Senator
    If I may be so bold to say, sir, the common man is directly threatened. Do you not see Santa Anna out there, slaughtering the Texans, who are nothing more but American migrants? The Texans ask for a few more political rights, a closer state capital, and less government interference in their lives, and what happens? They're laughed and shot at.

    Even if we weren't to do anything about it, Samuel Houston intends to bring the Mexicans out of Texas and into Lousiana. Even if we do not interfere as is, we will be forced to fight them off anyways.

    As for your comment about men starving in our own streets...that's a stupid lie. I know my home city like the back of my hand, and I've never seen a starving man there. Even if there were any starving men, it's their own fault for not picking up rifles and finding game, as they should be doing. Forgive me if I don't believe that food magically appears on a plate, sir.
    I second the new york senators comments.

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    Bring me proof of these slaughterings, and the Unions shall be on your side, but the people of Texas, NOT their government, must choose to enter the Union. AS for men starving, have you not seen the streets of New York, Newark, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh? And for those women, and children starving, without a father to provide work in a completely unsafe and unsound environment that is the modern factory, must they pick up a gun and hunt game too? They do not HAVE the ability to fend for themselves. I am no pacifist Senator Carr, but I will not fight a war at the expense of our own civilians bleeding! If their truly is this slaughter you speak of, then something must be done, but we cannot walk into a foreign nation and have the ground soaked with the blood of our own men more than that of the countrymen we are protecting! ((Playing pretty much a leader of the largest leftist group at the time that I'm aware of, the Unions. Will be much more aggressive when Communism is introduced.))

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    Born: 1894
    Political Affiliation: Republican

    Grandson of Arthur Gallatin (Secretary of the Treasury in the Callahan administration, himself the son of former ambassador William Gallatin who was the son of former Vice President Daniel Gallatin), William was an infantryman in the Siberian Front of the Great War. Coming back, minus a leg - an infirmity he tried his best to hide with clever prosthetics - William established himself as a nonfiction writer prior to running for Congress. His interest in politics began with his research for a book on the history of American politics, which lead him to meet with many politicians and former politicians. He was wary of the idealistic Progressive plans, although content with most of the former legislation.

    Major issues: Pacifism, Public Education, Free Trade, Laissez Faire

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    Senator Alicia Vallejo (of California)
    Born: 1858
    Party: Federal/Democratic (She votes and endorses Federal candidates in Californian elections, but often votes Democratic for the Presidential elections and non-Californian candidates. This is an increasing trend as the East and West coasts of the Federal Party drift toward different directions.)

    The fourth child of Ignacio and Ida Vallejo, Alicia was adept at managing the family estates and properties. She was well versed in politics as well, and began to become more involved in each campaign on the issues that she was passionate about.
    With the economic downturn in the early 90’s, California experienced a wave of reformist sentiments. This trend and the Vallejo name and influence (the other Vallejo children being more interested in business, aside from Daniel Vallejo who was involved in national politics and the military) lead the Federal Party to nominate her for governor - hoping to keep the Socialist and Democratic parties from appearing to be the only reforming and “progressive” parties. With Federal support solidified in the state by these moves, and having the backing of several popular statesmen, Alicia Vallejo became the first female member of congress when she was elected to fill a vacant seat in the U.S. Senate.

    Major issues: Labor reform, free trade, minimum wage, limited foreign intervention (but not isolationism), women’s rights.

    - In 1897, she was appointed Secretary of Industry by the Hayden/Harrison administration (through the tragic assassination of Hayden and all that). She continued as Secretary of the Interior after Harrison's election.
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    Born: 1844
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    Daniel was named after his grandfather, the Whig Statesman Daniel Gallatin, at the insistence of his mother (his father, Ignacio Vallejo, originally wished to name him Roberto). Leaving the family estates and properties to his younger siblings, Daniel sought out his future in the developing U.S. navy. He rose to prominence in the Spanish American war as a commodore in the Pacific fleet. The image of Vallejo standing calmly at the helm of the crippled USS Caroline became the national image of the naval war in the Philippines.

    Major Issues: Naval power, universal public education, the FBI and law enforcement in the West, and minimum wage.

    - Was selected as Secretary of War under Bridgeworthy, the first Federal President.
    - When Bridgeworthy declared he would not run for re-election, Vallejo won the nomination and won a landslide victory.
    - Vallejo was defeated in his campaign for re-election as the American Conservative Party and Democratic Party rose in prominence.
    - Vallejo retired to the military field again, advising the Philippine government.
    - Vallejo became Secretary of War in the Republic of the Philippines, and eventually President.

    Arthur Gallatin

    Born: 1842

    Party Allegiance: None.*
    The son of ambassador William Gallatin (and grandson of Whig vice president Daniel Gallatin), Arthur Gallatin was born in the American Embassy in Mexico City. He began a small law firm with colleagues when he was 24, but the enterprise failed, leaving him in debt. Arthur worked for the University of Pennsylvania, his alma mater, to pay his expenses - rising in position to the point of being appointed temporary University President when the sitting president died suddenly from a heart attack.

    He became Secretary of the Treasury under President Callahan's government.

    Major Issues: Free Trade with a touch of Interventionism, Isolationism from European Affairs, a strong Navy, Fair and Universal Education

    *Nominally a member of the Alianza Liberal, although that party was at a low point in impact during his years as University President, and had not supported nor nominated candidates for national office for several years.

    Name: Ignacio Guadalupe Vallejo, Representative from California
    Party Allegiance: Alianza Liberal/Whig*
    Born 1821 in Mexican Alta California. His parents died from disease when he was four, and he was adopted by his uncle Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo. On top of his normal studies, he studied military science and tactics as his father became commandant of the Mexican army in northern California, as well as English and Russian.

    Although Mariano was a leader of the Mexican army, he sided with the American forces during the Mexican American war due to the neglect of Santa Anna’s dictatorial government toward the northern reaches of the country. He was a key figure in helping the American forces maintain order and friendly relations with the inhabitants of California, and his estate became the meeting place for negotiations between U.S. Secretary of State Daniel Gallatin and local Californian leaders and visionaries.

    It was then that 23 year old Ignacio met Ida Gallatin, the daughter of the Secretary of State. They would marry two years later and would inherit the Vallejo estate.

    As the Mexican American war ended and the gained territories were reorganized, Ignacio joined his father’s Alianza Liberal party and ran for Congress.

    Later achievements included special envoy to the Empire of Mexico during Walsh's term and Secretary of Citizenship under Brass and Cameron administrations. After Cameron's assassination, he became Vice President during President William's administration - which saw the Civil War erupt. He was Secretary of State under President Jamous, and made a failed bid for the presidency in the 1868 election under the Republican Ticket. Frustrated by his defeat in the election, he returned to the diplomatic corps to serve as Ambassador to Great Britain.

    He served under Democratic, Whig (technically National Republicans and State's Republican), Republican, and New Democratic administrations. He was the Father of Mexican Democracy and the shadowy leader of the Secret Service.

    Major Issues (Support of): Free Trade, Interventionism, Isolationism from Europe, Freedom of Religion, Universal Suffrage, Fair and Universal Education.

    *The Alianza Liberal (Liberal Alliance) was established by Mariano Guadalupe Vallejo to organize liberal politicians in California. With the close relations between the Vallejo and Gallatin families, and the similar policies between the parties, the Alianza Liberal supported and suggested Whig candidates for national elections.
    Name: Daniel Gallatin, Vice President of the United States of America
    - Former Senator from Pennsylvania
    - Former Secretary of State (Cameron Administration)
    Party Allegiance: Whig
    Born 1795 in Philadelphia. Served in the Second Barbary War, leveraging his experience there to rise to the Senate.
    His moderate Whig stance lead presidential candidate Cameron to select him as Secretary of State for the National Union party ticket.
    Upon the dissolution of that party the next election, he was given the position of Vice President, filling the vacancy of (Democratic) Thomas McAttack.
    He served in this role until sickness forced him to retire to his house in Philadelphia shortly after the next elections.
    Major Issues (Support of): Manifest Destiny, moderate Protectionism, Laissez Faire policies, fair treatment of the Indians, Pro Military.

    Colonization Bill: Yes
    Law and order. We need to show that we won't take sudden landgrabs or hostile moves by anyone in our colonies. Support our settlers and militias, and utilize our noble forces on a good mission for the future of our country without any blood spilled.
    Texas Act: Abstain
    I do not believe that our military is ready to engage into the territory of Mexico for Jackson's war. Diplomatic and monetary support, but not a single soldier.
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    Nice to see it's picked up. I'll just write the Primary update, and the voting wil be on.

    Polls for the Jackson Bills are closed however.
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    The 1836 Primary


    Democratic Candidate(s)


    Thomas McAttack (b. 1798), Senator for Virginia ((ATTACK77)). McAttack's grandfather came to this country as a political refugee from Great Britain. His unwavering and outspoken support for the American Revolution had forced him to emigrate to avoid imprisonment. Since then the McAttack family have built up a substantial amount of wealth and influence. This has culminated in the political campaign of the young Thomas McAttack. Now running attempting to secure the Democrat nomination, the hopes of an entire nation or at the very least Virginia, which has produced all but three of the nation’s presidents, rest on the shoulders of the young prodigy.
    McAttack supported both of Jackson’s bills.

    Nicolas Khur ran for a brief time, before electing to return to his first love, the military.

    Archibald Cartwright also ran for a brief time, but eventually opted to withdraw from the race.

    Whig Candidate(s)

    John Fender (b. 1795), Senator for New York ((zagoroth)). Fender was the first to announce his candidacy in 1836. Fender was a young merchant who traded in furs and cotton, until, at the insistence of his wife, he entered politics in 1830. He was elected as Senator of New York in 1832. A divided democratic party after Jackson drove Fender to run for office in 1836.
    He is a staunch supporter of Laissez Faire economics. Fender supported both the Colonization Bill and Texas Act.

    Arthur King (b. 1799), Senator for Massachusetts ((Omega124)). King was the second man to announce his candidacy. A supporter of Laissez Faire and a prominent abolitionist, he wishes for Maine to clean up the legislation that is putting its status as a free state under question.
    He supported both of Jackson’s bills.

    Caesar Vinograd (b. 1791), Head of the NY State Labor Union ((Red Cesar)). He runs on his strong Whig sympathies and connection with the workers in New York and Massachusetts. In later years, he would have been called a socialist, but in 1836, he was a radically liberal wild card.
    As Vinograd could note vote himself, he convinced his close friend in the Senate to vote against both the Colonization Bill and Texas Act.

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    Exceptional Situation(s):
    Only one due to the unorthodox end of term bills Jackson had (Future presidents’ bills will be voted on right after they become president), I’ll post the results now.
    Format: Aye/Nay/Abstain
    Colonization Bill: 8/1/0
    Texas Act: 6/2/1

    Both bills pass.
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    So how does the primary work BBB?

    I want to represen the Democrats in this election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATTACK77 View Post
    So how does the primary work BBB?

    I want to represen the Democrats in this election.
    It's in the rule post (I think I might have to clear it up). Vote for who you think should be the Presidential nomination in a party.
    Candidates can't vote for themselves.

    Sample Ballot:

    Democrat: John Doe.

    or another sample:

    Whig: Jane Doe.

    There was a third option here, but Senator McAttack pointed out it was easily exploitable.
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    Wait, so my Whig opponents get to choose who they would want to run against?

    Surely they would try to choose the weakest candidate?

    I have no chance of being chosen now. :P

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    Good point. ONLY VOTE FOR ONE PARTY PLEASE!
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    The nation has spoken and so now our troops must prepare for action in Texas against Mexico. I suppose not all is gloomy, my millita can now expect some form of federal support and maybe we can begin to force the Russian colonisation wave back and begin putting down the red skin savage in Oregon

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