(MOD) MiscMods

[An Elder Thing]

I am talking about the geographical area of Iceland, an independent Iceland wouldn't have had its economy screwed up, and wouldn't be as poor as OTL. If Venice hadn't sacked Constantinople, they wouldn't be as rich, and wouldn't own all of their overseas territory, and without the Mongols Kaffa would probably be better off, and its capital would likely be Chersonesos (modern day Sevastopol, it was destroyed around the games start). A simple change in history can have a large impact on an area.

[Dutchemperor]

Iceland obly shows up naturally in the Heart Of Darkness and Shattered Europe scenarios :P

Heart of Darkness?
You mean Dark Continent, and its called Dark Continent, so please use the name Dark Continent.

[Yammka]

Heart of Darkness . . . sounds like another scenario opportunity. . Open colonization of horde lands, anyone?

[eliphas8]

Heart of Darkness . . . sounds like another scenario opportunity. . Open colonization of horde lands, anyone?

Eh, I prefer a more alt-history one rather than that. I think a kind of Shattered World would be pretty fun for that, try to create the most wartorn and violent world possible or something.

[ZomgK3tchup]

Eh, I prefer a more alt-history one rather than that. I think a kind of Shattered World would be pretty fun for that, try to create the most wartorn and violent world possible or something.

This wouldn't be especially difficult with Shattered Europe as a base. The only difficulty would be China which is considerably homogeneous.

[lukew]

Congrats on over 100k views btw!

[eliphas8]

This wouldn't be especially difficult with Shattered Europe as a base. The only difficulty would be China which is considerably homogeneous.

There where still more than a few times where China was disunified and consisted of about two or three "chinas" if you could just magnify that it could easily mess China up as much as Europe.

[Azog]

Could quite easily break China up just depends how many new tags they want to add. Could easily come up with 15 or 20 Chinese nations just using historic dynasties and rebellious states for the names. Could even fill in empty spaces in Africa and Asia with various tribal nations if they want to invest in the needed tags. Would be fun to have the whole world filled with small and medium sized nations though may want to have the hordes not as hordes government type as else they would devour several of the smaller nations and get scary big.

Just off the top of my head the following would be good for China. They could be creative with placement of the nations as groups claiming a name would appear in differing places in history. I list just my base suggests below. Note that these are just 28 easy to find ones, with a little more work can find a ton more.

Chen, Cheng, Chu, Han, Jin, Liang, Liao, Liaoxi, Min, Ming, Qi, Qin, Qing, Shang, Shu, Shun, Song, Sui, Tang, Wei, Wu, Xia, Xin, Yan, Yin, Yuan, Zhao, Zhou

[ZomgK3tchup]

Most of those dynasties were based around the same city and overlapped/conquered one another. For example, most western dynasties were centered around Chengdu or Hanzhong while eastern ones were based around Nanjing almost exclusively. Northern dynasties until the modern period were centered around the ancient city of Luoyang or Chang'an.

You could definitely do the Yuan Dynasty, Qing Dynasty, Ming Dynasty, and a revived Song Dynasty. In the south, you could do some of the outlaw/pirate states that exist in D&T's 1356 scenario. There's always the recurring state of Eastern Wu. Xinjiang is also a good idea, but I don't think China's 1399 borders extend far enough west for that.

Chinese states didn't really "revive" former states since they were stylized after the ruling dynasty, so the options are limited if you want plausibility.

If you really wanted to, you could justify the use of Shun, an attempted Ming successor state, and Taiping, the Christian kingdom founded in the 1800s. The problem there though is that Taiping would probably be classified as Nanjing or an immediate neighbor which creates a problem for other eastern/southern dynasties as per before.

It's definitely doable but it should be done right and not involve slapping random dynasty names on a map.

[IconOfEvi]

Heart of Darkness?
You mean Dark Continent, and its called Dark Continent, so please use the name Dark Continent.

Look in the txt files, its called Heart Of Darkness there. Or at least it was called so in previous versions

Ive liked the idea of having a world where the religions between east and west are essentially switched...but thats just one of many alt-history ideas. Ya gotta admit, one of miscmods greatest strengths is the alt-history scenarios where it always manages to fire your imaginations as to what could be. More campaigns could be nice - Heart Of Darkness does sound like a good name for a scenario. But what would it be?

A minor note on China, according to the miscmods site, seems the work is already done on certain ideas : "Several new Chinese unification tags."

[Retrograde]

Another minor thing: Can we change Badajoz in the Shattered Europe to Batalyos? That was the muslim name for the city, according to Wikipedia.

[bad_username]

I only seem to have the Shattered Europe and Peace of God scenarios bookmarked? I was kinda hoping to play Dark Continent.

[kingofparades]

See if going to the dark continent day does it.

[Duke of Britain]

Heart of Darkness scenario could be something like an Europe (and other continents?) Largely uncolonized, with a lot of OPMs and all of them with some primitive governments and such

Then there could be events, decisions related to them developing and becoming more sophisticated, IMO, that could be interesting.

Also no unions existing at start, instead minors that could form countries, like London (?) forming England

[Selvetrica]

Yes I would love to play as London what if plus the OPM there were other citys like Paris and Rome(hehe) and Barcelona being countrys that could be very interesting

[IconOfEvi]

Thats really no different than the one mod from long ago that does exactly this...

One of the things that makes the alternate miscmods scenarios interesting is how different the countries and even cultures can be. For example, the Black Plague campaign has unique countries like Faransa, Al-Alemand, etc show up, along with inspiration and tearworthy events. Compare this to say, Shattered Europe where many of the countries and more exist, its just you get a sense something is all wrong - and other interesting choices show up (Lithuania's decision time). Or Peace of God, where not only are Crusader states around, but religions like Cathar are there.

There needs to be things that make the timelines special, which could only be crafted from things like a long thought out alternate history timeline, like Azeri mod or NoIslam scenario, or something that radically shakes up the status quo (the idea I had earlier where religious positions in the world switched between east and west). Having a Catholic OPM London around surrounded by empty land simply means you'll eventually have a GBR in even faster time than usual from the Grand Campaign.

[Duke of Britain]

Thats really no different than the one mod from long ago that does exactly this...

One of the things that makes the alternate miscmods scenarios interesting is how different the countries and even cultures can be. For example, the Black Plague campaign has unique countries like Faransa, Al-Alemand, etc show up, along with inspiration and tearworthy events. Compare this to say, Shattered Europe where many of the countries and more exist, its just you get a sense something is all wrong - and other interesting choices show up (Lithuania's decision time). Or Peace of God, where not only are Crusader states around, but religions like Cathar are there.

There needs to be things that make the timelines special, which could only be crafted from things like a long thought out alternate history timeline, like Azeri mod or NoIslam scenario, or something that radically shakes up the status quo (the idea I had earlier where religious positions in the world switched between east and west). Having a Catholic OPM London around surrounded by empty land simply means you'll eventually have a GBR in even faster time than usual from the Grand Campaign.

You mean the civilization Universalis mod? Yes, it is different, i have played that mod and i know it well.

Like i said, there would be a big number of countries on that scenario, plus they would all have primitive governments, maybe even colonizing european land could be different than the usual, with events and decisions related to it...

Another alternative is no uncolonized land on Europe or Asia, and instead have some very primitive countries, and borders like shattered Europe (biggest number of released nations possible)

[Dutchemperor]

Thats really no different than the one mod from long ago that does exactly this...

One of the things that makes the alternate miscmods scenarios interesting is how different the countries and even cultures can be. For example, the Black Plague campaign has unique countries like Faransa, Al-Alemand, etc show up, along with inspiration and tearworthy events. Compare this to say, Shattered Europe where many of the countries and more exist, its just you get a sense something is all wrong - and other interesting choices show up (Lithuania's decision time). Or Peace of God, where not only are Crusader states around, but religions like Cathar are there.

There needs to be things that make the timelines special, which could only be crafted from things like a long thought out alternate history timeline, like Azeri mod or NoIslam scenario, or something that radically shakes up the status quo (the idea I had earlier where religious positions in the world switched between east and west). Having a Catholic OPM London around surrounded by empty land simply means you'll eventually have a GBR in even faster time than usual from the Grand Campaign.

True, I love the NoIslam mod while it is the 0.1 version and dead. The Romans and friends for MEIOU is also very good.

[Selvetrica]

Hmm Ill try to think of a really unique timeline thing but also would this mod work with a vic 2 converter mod and if so can you please post a link to one

[Mundane]

Hello.

I know this is a lot to ask, but have you thought of using the beautiful Devlet-i Ali Osman map mod with this? I think it would be perfect with most of the scenarios that come with this. I do, on the other hand, understand the amount of work that would be required to convert from the vanilla map to the Devlet-i Ali Osman map, so no need to make a fuss about it.

Cheers,

Mundane

Edit: Oh, never seen that there. is it on the OP? If not, post accordingly. Thanks!