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    Quote Originally Posted by Aliasing View Post
    Kinda Ironic Anarcho-Liberals are running for a government position? Eh?
    Blame Paradox for coming up with the brilliant idea of a bourgeoisie dictatorship. I'm not even sure what that's supposed to be.
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    Electoral reform is necessary if we are to avoid full scale socialist revolution in the future! Furthermore, expansion in India and increased relations between Anglo republics is supported by me. Where I differ from my colleagues is my position towards France, as I believe we should court Prussia, Belgium and Spain so that France is Isolated on the continent. Holding a dagger to the Heart of the French is the only effective policy in curbing French expansionism in India and in turn, protecting our own interests in India. Let the German and Spanish armies serve as the deterrent.
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    After seeing that blue( French) splotch on the map above Hyderabad, I have decided that all of our military efforts should be focused on the recapturing of India, as well as other parts of the far east( Brunei).

    Also, although a regressive tax system is better than a progressive one, a flat tax is the best method of income collection.

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    A vote for the Tories

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Blame Paradox for coming up with the brilliant idea of a bourgeoisie dictatorship. I'm not even sure what that's supposed to be.
    It's anachronistic for any time period before WW2 and especially WW1 - the easiest example I can think of is Pinochet's Chile. In my hopefully-I'll-get-to-finishing-and-releasing-it mod I replaced A-L with Jacobinism and the bourgeoisie dictatorship with the RevFrance-style Directorate. Jacobins are for increased political reforms, until they take power, when they seek to consolidate control by rescinding said reforms. They aren't concerned with social reforms in any way.

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    Is there any possibility of a Liberal-Tory Coalition? I know it sounds awfully weird, but to me their foreign policy compliments each others. How can we be expected to secure the Indian Markets when the french remain so powerful! In the event of war, we can fight a colonial war while the Spanish and the Germans can fight the continental war like in the seven years war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seek75 View Post
    Blame Paradox for coming up with the brilliant idea of a bourgeoisie dictatorship. I'm not even sure what that's supposed to be.
    It's supposed to be something similar to the Jacobins during the French Revolution I think. Revolutionary Bourgeois who think there need to be a interim period to completely abolish all remnants of the monarchy before democracy can be introduced. It doesn't work very well in Vicky 2, since any A-L regime should be temporary, not permanent.

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    Presidential Dicatorships and absolute monarchies cover your Robespierres and Napoleons, and Proletarian Dictatorship is probably distinct primarily to note the historical significance of the one-party dictatorship bureaucracy structure that was invented by far-left authoritarian parties.

    A Bourgeoisie dictatorship might make sense for an oligarchy, aristocracy, caste society or so on. Heck, you could say some countries in the 1830's were bourgeoisie dictatorships, the ones that still had property requirements to vote, like say Britain or the U.S. pre-Jackson.
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    I'm a bit confused. Do we have to vote again or is it the same votation still going on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurt_Steiner View Post
    I'm a bit confused. Do we have to vote again or is it the same votation still going on?
    It's still the 1847 election, so you have already voted.

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    I'm placing my vote with the Liberals. My old party the Whigs have shown that they cannot hold themselves together and are too disparate to function as a united force. Russell is a good man, let us have him, the leader of a united and principled party at the head of our nation!
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    polls are now closed.

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    Total: 46 (-5)

    Liberals: 16
    Tories: 15
    Chartists: 13
    Whigs: 2


    Liberals: 174
    Tories: 163
    Chartists: 141
    Irish Parliamentary Party: 86
    Whigs: 22
    Unionist Party: 14

    Well, as ever, no party has an absolute majority. Instead the new government shall be a coalition of the Liberals and the Chartists – the coalition shall have a 15 seat majority and will be led by the Earl Russell who becomes the 3rd Prime Minister of the Republic (and the first not standing as a Whig candidate).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATTACK77 View Post
    Total: 46 (-5)

    Liberals: 16
    Tories: 15
    Chartists: 13
    Whigs: 2


    Liberals: 174
    Tories: 163
    Chartists: 141
    Irish Parliamentary Party: 86
    Whigs: 22
    Unionist Party: 14

    Well, as ever, no party has an absolute majority. Instead the new government shall be a coalition of the Liberals and the Chartists – the coalition shall have a 15 seat majority and will be led by the Earl Russell who becomes the 3rd Prime Minister of the Republic (and the first not standing as a Whig candidate).
    Interesting...

    I hope the Chartists don't do too much damage...

    Eager to see how the next few years pan out!

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    Election of 1847

    1847 was to be the first election after the reunification of the British and Irish Parliaments follows the British conquest of Ireland. It also marked the end of the ‘first Parliamentary system’ (in which Parliament was dominated by the Tories, Whigs and Radicals).

    Perhaps the greatest concern during the election was how the government should respond to the unrest of 1842 and 43 that had greatly shaken the country – leading to the division of both the Whig and Radical Parties amongst other things. Of the parties campaigning in Britain the Chartists favoured accepting all the demands of the workers (they had after all been the ones to articulate their demands in the first place), the Liberals were willing to make some major reforms, the Whigs wanted to continue as they had prior to the risings and the Tories wanted to ready the state to prevent the spread of revolutionary ideas.



    The people of Britain seemed to greatly favour reform as pro-reform parties (in both Ireland and Britain) dominated the polls. The end result of the election was a Liberal-Chartist coalition to be led by the Liberal Party.

    But much more had changed in this election than merely the government. The rump core of the old, aristocratic, Whigs had been utterly destroyed. In spite of losing over 70 MPs in 1843 to the split the Whigs maintained 114 MPs in Parliament, making them the third largest Party. However, their core vote flooded to the Liberal Party and some even to the Chartists and Tories. It seemed that support for the same satiated government of the past decade had utterly evaporated in the face of societal change.

    In truth the Liberals could never hope to maintain their high tally of members, indeed, the majority of Liberal MPs prior to the election had been ex-Radicals rather than ex-Whigs. Even before the election began it was apparent that the Radical Party’s core support was migrating towards the Chartists, so the Liberals best hope was to absorb former Whig votes and Right Radical votes. This policy seemed to be a success as Russell’s Party retained its position as the largest in Parliament and became the leading partner in a new coalition government.

    For the Tories the election saw their share of Parliament marginally decline (due to the injection of Irish seats) although their influence actually increased. For the emasculated Whigs and the Unionist Party in Ireland would now look towards the Tories to bind them together into a strong opposition force to the reformist government.

    Finally, and perhaps most importantly, the impact of the great Chartist success at the polls must be dealt with. Unlike the Tories or Liberals the Chartists suffered from a serious problem – they had very little funding. Therefore, in order to ensure that Chartist candidates could be stood in as many seats as possible the Party often worked in tandem with local Trade Unionists so that the Union would provide the candidate and the financial backing for their campaign. These candidates tended to be much further to the left than the Chartist leadership; however they were mostly stood in the more marginal seats whilst centrally appointed and more moderate candidates fought over the safer seats. Yet Chartist electoral success meant that the leftwing candidates – and these Trade Unionists in particular – secured a disturbingly large portion of the Chartist seats in Parliament. The end result being that not only the rank and file but much of the Chartist contingent of MPs were now socialists, or at least friendly to socialist ideas, while the leadership and O’Connor in particular, remained firmly liberal.

    With Earl Russell acquiescing to the two centre pieces of the Chartist reform policy, universal male suffrage and an end to all laws controlling Trade Unions, the new coalition of Liberals and Chartists was secure. All that was left for the new governing coalition was the small matter of running the country.

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    Methinks that mefears that the country is going to go upside down in a matter of weeks... In any case, let's see the result of the reforms of the new government. I guess that we're going to be quite bemused by them...
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    Quote Originally Posted by attack77 View Post
    new government shall be a coalition of the liberals and the chartists
    nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    The commoners won the elections. Run for your lives, they'll ruin everything!

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