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    Quote Originally Posted by stnikolauswagne View Post
    Well, cultural domination is indeed noteworthy, but I highly doubt that by 650 the majority of the Lands had been christian for more than around 300-400 years, but I do have to admit that there are few sources to search that so you might indeed be right that it could be considered christian heartland by then. Also remember that by the time the crusades hit most of the lands had been in muslim hands for almost 500 years themselves and where mostly muslim by then. Also the crusades where primarily done by roman catholics and orthodox byzantines.

    Look, I dont want to go against your strong oppinion, but history has shown time and time again that most conversions dont happen peacefully and are either used as a diplomatic tool by rulers or by force. In that time most peasants probably needed conversion since they where simply not literate enough to "decide for themselves". Afterall, how would the random farmer in central anatolia learn of christian beliefs if not from a missionary?
    True, the pagans of northern Europe are an example of this (The Northern Crusades). The movie Agora (2009) gives a depiction of what happened to the pagans & Jews of Egypt when the Christians came.
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    Current game (still ongoing) as Timurids to Mughals (Very Hard/Normal Agressivity/No Lucky Nations/Golden Bull Start) at several stages
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    Timur Timurid (8/7/9) 10/01/1356 - 12/04/1399










    At Timur's death:

    PU's:
    Ottomans (since 04/05/1358)

    Vassals:
    Bengal, Kazan, Qara Koyunlu and Sibir

    Additional Alliances:
    Chagatai, Deva Bengal and Kazakh


    Conquered almost all the Il-Khanate Region (Minus Bagdad) + Rajputana (which annexed Sind earlier after being called in a war with Deccan, and Sind, through cascading alliances). Was lucky to get a PU with the Ottos about two years afer gamestart without any interference on my part (their ruler seems to die quite often pretty early from my experience). Crushed the Golden Horde after they got called into my war against the Muzzafarids... but since they became Warleader, couldn't get provinces at lower cost, so just drove them bankrupt, called my troops home in preparation for the unevitable sucession crisis (which happened 3 years later), released Kazan and Sibir and took Kouban.
    Took me about 5 1/2 years till the last rebel from the following succession crisis was hunted down.


    'Ali II Timurid (7/6/5) 12/04/1399 - 28/11/1436











    At 'Ali II's death:

    PU's:
    Ottomans (since 04/05/1358), Inherited
    The Mamlukes (since 03/09/1425)

    Vassals:
    Ak Koyunlu, Armenia, Bengal, Eretnids, Hedjaz, Kazan, Maharasthra, Maldive, Mysore, Nogai, Sibir and Travanacore

    Additional Alliances:
    Chagatai, Deva Bengal, Kazakh and Syria


    Completed the Conquest of the Il-Khanate Region and (after receiving the mission) conquered the provinces necessary to for the Mughals in two wars (and by the way split several minors out of Deccan, who all soon ended up diplo-vassalised)
    Took Mecca (and liberated Hedjaz) from the Mamlukes (allied with Dehli in the first war), and later forced a PU upon them... after that I took back the other provinces in North Africa from Bulgaria (who, along with Trinacria, used the chaos after my first war with the Mamlukes to snatch a few provinces.)


    Mahmud II Timurid (7/8/5) 28/11/1436 - ...





















    PU's:
    Chagatai (since 03/09/1457)
    Deva Bengal (since 02/09/1457)
    Kazakh (since 05/06/1441)
    Morocco (since 02/11/1453)
    Swahili (since 03/08/1442)
    The Mamluks (since 03/09/1425)

    Vassals:
    Aceh, Ak Koyunlu, Arakan, Armenia, Aru, Bengal, Bihar, Eretnids, Gondawana, Granada, Hedjaz, Kandesh, Kazan, Kedah, Kelantan, Maharasthra, Maldive, Mysore, Najd, Nogai, Oirat Horde, Orissa, Sibir, Travanacore, Yemen and Ziyyanids

    *Armenia, Gondwana, Kandesh, Maharasthra, Mysore, Orissa and Travanacore are all Sunni.

    Additional Alliances:
    Syria


    Mainly forced PU's upon several of the bigger muslim nations, Force-vassalized middle sized ones and diplo-vassalized the minors (8 Diplo King + Sphere + Rich Indian Provinces, along with lots of cash from wars with Dehli = Easy Diplo-vassalizing)
    Also annexed Mutapa in two wars after they took a few provinces from Swahili while I was at war with them to enforce a PU)
    There are now only 5 muslim countries left (+ those I've no access to) that are neither my vassal or Junior in a PU (Deccan, Delhi, Hafsids, Oman and Syria)
    Right now waiting for my current King to die (and hopefully inherit one country or two... all my rulers so far lived quite old, suspect that all these PU's are not so unrelated to that) and my Infamy to go a bit down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuro Kagami View Post
    Current game (still ongoing) as Timurids to Mughals (Very Hard/Normal Agressivity/No Lucky Nations/Golden Bull Start) at several stages
    (D&T 5.11):


    Timur Timurid (8/7/9) 10/01/1356 - 12/04/1399







    At Timur's death:

    PU's:
    Ottomans (since 04/05/1358)

    Vassals:
    Bengal, Kazan, Qara Koyunlu and Sibir

    Additional Alliances:
    Chagatai, Deva Bengal and Kazakh


    Conquered almost all the Il-Khanate Region (Minus Bagdad) + Rajputana (which annexed Sind earlier after being called in a war with Deccan, and Sind, through cascading alliances). Was lucky to get a PU with the Ottos about two years afer gamestart without any interference on my part (their ruler seems to die quite often pretty early from my experience). Crushed the Golden Horde after they got called into my war against the Muzzafarids... but since they became Warleader, couldn't get provinces at lower cost, so just drove them bankrupt, called my troops home in preparation for the unevitable sucession crisis (which happened 3 years later), released Kazan and Sibir and took Kouban.
    Took me about 5 1/2 years till the last rebel from the following succession crisis was hunted down.


    'Ali II Timurid (7/6/5) 12/04/1399 - 28/11/1436









    At 'Ali II's death:

    PU's:
    Ottomans (since 04/05/1358), Inherited
    The Mamlukes (since 03/09/1425)

    Vassals:
    Ak Koyunlu, Armenia, Bengal, Eretnids, Hedjaz, Kazan, Maharasthra, Maldive, Mysore, Nogai, Sibir and Travanacore

    Additional Alliances:
    Chagatai, Deva Bengal, Kazakh and Syria


    Completed the Conquest of the Il-Khanate Region and (after receiving the mission) conquered the provinces necessary to for the Mughals in two wars (and by the way split several minors out of Deccan, who all soon ended up diplo-vassalised)
    Took Mecca (and liberated Hedjaz) from the Mamlukes (allied with Dehli in the first war), and later forced a PU upon them... after that I took back the other provinces in North Africa from Bulgaria (who, along with Trinacria, used the chaos after my first war with the Mamlukes to snatch a few provinces.)


    Mahmud II Timurid (7/8/5) 28/11/1436 - ...



















    PU's:
    Chagatai (since 03/09/1457)
    Deva Bengal (since 02/09/1457)
    Kazakh (since 05/06/1441)
    Morocco (since 02/11/1453)
    Swahili (since 03/08/1442)
    The Mamluks (since 03/09/1425)

    Vassals:
    Aceh, Ak Koyunlu, Arakan, Armenia, Aru, Bengal, Bihar, Eretnids, Gondawana, Granada, Hedjaz, Kandesh, Kazan, Kedah, Kelantan, Maharasthra, Maldive, Mysore, Najd, Nogai, Oirat Horde, Orissa, Sibir, Travanacore, Yemen and Ziyyanids

    *Armenia, Gondwana, Kandesh, Maharasthra, Mysore, Orissa and Travanacore are all Sunni.

    Additional Alliances:
    Syria


    Mainly forced PU's upon several of the bigger muslim nations, Force-vassalized middle sized ones and diplo-vassalized the minors (8 Diplo King + Sphere + Rich Indian Provinces, along with lots of cash from wars with Dehli = Easy Diplo-vassalizing)
    Also annexed Mutapa in two wars after they took a few provinces from Swahili while I was at war with them to enforce a PU)
    There are now only 5 muslim countries left (+ those I've no access to) that are neither my vassal or Junior in a PU (Deccan, Delhi, Hafsids, Oman and Syria)
    Right now waiting for my current King to die (and hopefully inherit one country or two... all my rulers so far lived quite old, suspect that all these PU's are not so unrelated to that) and my Infamy to go a bit down.
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    The best first post I have ever seen. I wanted to do this myself, but I was never able to control all the rebels. (And that was in Vanilla so there was also the horde system....)
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    Well, here's my Aragon to Spain game from 1399 on normal.





    I even made a video of the endgame. Boy oh boy, that was mildly successful.
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    Here's my protestant GB WC attempt, DW 5.1, 1600.

    I've PU'd & inherited most of Europe (yes, I did cheat a bit - reloaded a few times when a King died mid war war).

    I went the usual Occupy Paris/Form GB route, but PU'd Castille very early (1406). I integrated Castille in 1486, despite the infamy, in order to be sole coloniser, vassalised & ultimately annexed Portugal for the same reason too.

    Highlights were inheriting 18 European nations in 1581 & another 15 in 1595.

    Currently I'm sitting pretty on 631 regions, 525 of which are Protestant & 52% of which are core. I've 428k troops (nearest rival has under 50k), & 2 Infamy, war exhaustion under 2. I've got 22 nations PU'd, of which Flanders is the largest, & 10 vassals. Research is almost up to date, in 7 or 8 years years time I'll be ahead of the curve, so will mint more to pay for manufactories. So far I've built only one or two, disappointingly.

    Revolt risk is pretty high in the 57 regions I inherited in 1595, 7.5%, but down to 3.3% in the 93 inherited in 1581. I've had to camp about 5 armies in central Europe to keep the revolts there in check.

    Income hit 39k this year, a new high, but I still have to mint (though not enough to cause inflation) towards the end of each year. I'm going to war every December for war taxes, & to pull in more regions & infamy when my infamy is about out, I'm keeping it under 4 maximum.

    National ideas are QFTNW, Church Attendance, Land of Opportunity, Colonial Ventures, Divine Supremacy, & National Trade Policy.

    I'm currently bashing Japan in the hope of disbanding the shogunate, I'll see if I'm avoiding the bug on that shortly.

    There's 50 years left on Holy War, plan is to make inroads into every blob of other nations, get as many borders with their SOIs as possible, then probably spend a time as an Absolute Monarchy to make some low infamy gains, after using up colonial conquests anyway. I'm not sure I'll succeed in completing a WC, at least this attempt I've kept the vassals numbers down & PU numbers up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stnikolauswagne View Post
    Well, cultural domination is indeed noteworthy, but I highly doubt that by 650 the majority of the Lands had been christian for more than around 300-400 years, but I do have to admit that there are few sources to search that so you might indeed be right that it could be considered christian heartland by then. Also remember that by the time the crusades hit most of the lands had been in muslim hands for almost 500 years themselves and where mostly muslim by then. Also the crusades where primarily done by roman catholics and orthodox byzantines.


    Look, I dont want to go against your strong oppinion, but history has shown time and time again that most conversions dont happen peacefully and are either used as a diplomatic tool by rulers or by force. In that time most peasants probably needed conversion since they where simply not literate enough to "decide for themselves". Afterall, how would the random farmer in central anatolia learn of christian beliefs if not from a missionary?
    It's reasonably well established that Syria, Anatolia, and Egypt were all the Christian 'heartland' at the time of the Islamic conquest. In fact, The majority of Christians in 620 had descendants living under Islamic rule in 720. Even by the time of the Crusades, places such as Syria were majority Christian, though not by much.

    How has history shown that conversions are not peaceful? Certainly in the case of the Islam, the initial conquests were violent and bloody, but the conversions were not. People were not so dumb as to be unable to 'decide for themselves' what their religion should be. They'd convert due to economic or social convenience.
    I should go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homy_dog34 View Post
    Well, here's my Aragon to Spain game from 1399 on normal.
    Nice Spain, but I wonder, why your tech is so primitive at the end of the game? Besides, why so low income? It looks unusual.
    Nevertheless, Russia was formed. God, bless Putin! :P

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    Well, he does own a good number of really terrible provinces, but not THAT many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by homy_dog34 View Post
    Well, here's my Aragon to Spain game from 1399 on normal.
    nice mazovia though

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    Update on my Moscovy game: as you can see, just formed Russia, planning on uniting the newly cored provinces (Novgorod and recently released Samoyeds) and annexing my remaining vassals, Viatka, Pomorye and Pskov. After that i will probably proceed to dismantle Lithuania a bit more, grab core from Sweden and then focus on the east. Two Sicilies (PU > inheritance > released vassal) on the other hand i plan to keep as loyal vassal (too much hassle maintaining Italian provinces at this point).



    And to give you the idea of the scale of this accomplishment (before Iwanow calls me a noob for taking this long to unite Russia):



    As you can see quite a few more provinces in the region compared to vanilla.

    Tell me if you want a close up on anything specific.
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    I won't because this is a mod, and mods, make playing much more difficult ussualy. But i still suppose you could form russia earlier. Actualy, you have to know, russia ingame, was formed in 1503. So if you fail the historical formation, then you are worse that than Ivan III Srogi, with much more information, and better education.
    Last edited by Iwanow; 20-05-2012 at 09:03.

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    Middle Eastern Aachen update, 1611: I was definitely not expecting this:



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    I guess it means I'm not expanding quickly enough!

    I blame spending 16 infamy on vassalizing four HRE electors in one war; made me cut back on the holy war front for the time being. I meant to get only one, via an Alliance CB for one of my allied vassals, but Austria (not the emperor) actually decided to defend that one, which then caused the three others to join in.

    Unfortunately, soon after vassalizing them, I then lost two of them to full annexations from wars that they had been involved in before I started mine; I apparently misremembered the rule about what could be done to a vassal in a peace settlement, and didn't realize they could be annexed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xnaop View Post
    Middle Eastern Aachen update, 1611: I was definitely not expecting this:
    Ah, well, that was short-lived. Thirty-one days later, I got overextension again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwanow View Post
    I won't because this is a mod, and mods, make playing much more difficult ussualy. But i still suppose you could form russia earlier. Actualy, you have to know, russia ingame, was formed in 1503. So if you fail the historical formation, then you are worse that than Ivan III Srogi, with much more information, and better education.
    I'm glad you're always so positive and encouraging to other players.

    Quote Originally Posted by Xnaop View Post
    Ah, well, that was short-lived. Thirty-one days later, I got overextension again.
    Well, the bigger you are the harder it is for over-extension to hit you (more cored provinces).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwanow View Post
    You forget to tell, that this were former christian lands, and the muslims just siezed them for no reason. That was mostly reason for crushades.
    Not showing your bias at all there >__>
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    Quote Originally Posted by _anomaly View Post
    Not showing your bias at all there >__>
    Well, there is no wrong in being bias, as long as you are on the right side. And this is not the court, nor i am a judge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iwanow View Post
    Well, there is no wrong in being bias, as long as you are on the right side. And this is not the court, nor i am a judge.
    This is just seriously messed up. Everything that ever happened pointed to the fact that there is no clear "right" thing. History showed us time and time again that things that might seem like a great thing at the time can have seriously messed up consequences. For example I am sure you would have thought that the OE loosing their grip over the balkans, thus giving sovereignity to Christians was a good thing. But this lead to WW1, which you probably see as a bad thing.

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