"If a man does not strike first, he will be the first struck" - Athenogoras of Syracuse
"Force is the most effective and efficient means to do something and the virtuous prince will employ its leverage." - Machiavelli
"Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot" - Machiavelli
"It is best to be both feared and loved, however, if one cannot be both it is better to be feared than loved." - Machiavelli
"A prince must be a lion, but he must also know how to play the fox." - Machiavelli
"I'm the lord of lords, not the server of servants." - Joćo II of Portugal
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I westernized later around 1610 but i think it was a major mistake.
I am still 20 years away from a centralization (its 1620 or something like that now) click to do a military reform and as i said, i am imploding with revolts.
900 divisions and i barely got 100k working offensively to gain extra land.
If i didnt westernize i could still recruit maurician infantry. I annexed Sweden around 1590 and started popping maurician infantry like mad, even if at slow speed due to war exhaustion. With full narrowminded/decentralized revolts would be much easier due to lower war exhaustion.
I think this game will end in failure though - japan isnt forming and the ai is just too stupid to form japan. And i cant annex them if they dont.
EDITED: Another reason not to westernize is that Asian Mass Infantry and Asian Charge Cavalry are fairly good troops specially with good generals like the ones i have at the moment. With Najd i had plenty of troubles conquering the world with Muslim Muskeeteers, but Asian Mass Infantry properly backed up and in proper numbers are very very good.
Current game. 1629.
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Last edited by BurningEGO; 29-06-2011 at 11:40.
"If a man does not strike first, he will be the first struck" - Athenogoras of Syracuse
"Force is the most effective and efficient means to do something and the virtuous prince will employ its leverage." - Machiavelli
"Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot" - Machiavelli
"It is best to be both feared and loved, however, if one cannot be both it is better to be feared than loved." - Machiavelli
"A prince must be a lion, but he must also know how to play the fox." - Machiavelli
"I'm the lord of lords, not the server of servants." - Joćo II of Portugal
ICQ: 473-826-068






The newest patch allows you to disable the Shogunate and thus conquer Japan.
Happy conquering!![]()
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"No. It is my sole ambition in life to live in America." - Cacra
"Cacra... equal to pewt" - DevidaS


I imagine being over the infamy limit (which you must be, surely) would make it incredibly difficult to Westernise.
"If a man does not strike first, he will be the first struck" - Athenogoras of Syracuse
"Force is the most effective and efficient means to do something and the virtuous prince will employ its leverage." - Machiavelli
"Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot" - Machiavelli
"It is best to be both feared and loved, however, if one cannot be both it is better to be feared than loved." - Machiavelli
"A prince must be a lion, but he must also know how to play the fox." - Machiavelli
"I'm the lord of lords, not the server of servants." - Joćo II of Portugal
ICQ: 473-826-068





How to be successful as Navarra 101:
I became a vassal of Castille at the start of the game, spent all my massive trade income to rush to 7 trade tech for Quest for the New World, and own a massive piece of land in North America in the year 1423.
Now when this land cores in 50 years I can colonize all the way to Mexico in the year 1473 and then annex Mexico with all it's rich lands and move my capitol to America.
Played like this Navarra is actually one of the more powerful European countries, even though your nation only has 4,000 inhabitants. Funnily enough at the height of my crusade I had twice as many mercenaries as my nation had people, good thing mercenaries can't rebel
I do with Irish minors what you did with Navarra. Except if you grab only Yamasee, sometimes a mission fires where you can take Muskegee, Apalachee, or Pensacola and get a core on them. That way you can actually get a core in New World pre 1430. Then mint like crazy to get 1k ducats to move capital. In a game where Portugal gets cannibalized by Castille you might have 50 or 60 years of colonizing all to yourself.
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Yeah did the same thing with Brittany once. Really not such a bad option when you're failing in Europe =D
Quite proud of this one. Work in progress. Beating land out of Castille/France. I was thinking about forming Spain but the gold colour is prettier than yellow IMHO.
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So is taking the new world as navarra the new common thing to do or something?
I posted it because of the other one. I've been playing Navarra and Byzantium
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Is there any moment in history where a country attacks another country because their allied with a country that is at war with a country that is the first countries ally?
Nationality: Ashkenazi
Religion: Agnostic
Ideology: Social-liberal
Issues: Secularism, anti-militarism, Interventionism, full citizenship.
Cash Reserves: N/A
Revolt Risk: 50%
Militancy: 3
Consciousness: 10






Psh. You people just don't wanna try it with Athens so you use Navarra instead. ;D
Regardless, I've found Navarra can be more difficult in recent times as you are automatically put into your Overlord's wars. Might be because I switched to it from Austria (was playing a von Habsburg game, not an Austria game)
Gela's Guide to EU3 for Beginners
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"No. It is my sole ambition in life to live in America." - Cacra
"Cacra... equal to pewt" - DevidaS
I didnt mean that. I meant that i could recruit maurician infantry even if i didnt westernize, so there is little to no point in westernizing during a WC.
All the centralization/innovativeness kills you with revolts, so its probably better not to westernize and get as decentralized/narrowminded as possible.
"If a man does not strike first, he will be the first struck" - Athenogoras of Syracuse
"Force is the most effective and efficient means to do something and the virtuous prince will employ its leverage." - Machiavelli
"Men should either be treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injures - for heavy ones they cannot" - Machiavelli
"It is best to be both feared and loved, however, if one cannot be both it is better to be feared than loved." - Machiavelli
"A prince must be a lion, but he must also know how to play the fox." - Machiavelli
"I'm the lord of lords, not the server of servants." - Joćo II of Portugal
ICQ: 473-826-068
Champa 1821
I started off by immediately annexing Khmer or Sukothai (or both, I don't remember). There were a lot of revolts in the first 100 years, and the worst part of them was all the ping-ponging. All of the Asian territory is cored except Japan which I didn't think I was able to completely take at first, but then decided to in the last 50 years.
I gotta say, I loved it when I switched to the western tech group. It was like turbo tech mode just activated.
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