Castille -> Spain -> Castille -> Spain (again)?

[Hirosaki]

So I've been playing a game as Portugal, and Castille ended up eating Aragon and forming Spain. (I was in control of Granada, and was guaranteeing Navarra, I had thought this would be sufficient to prevent the formation of Spain in the first place, but apparently not).

After two successive wars with Spain, I had forced them to relinquish Aragon, Navarra and Galicia. After making peace, I noticed some Castillian (nationalist?) rebels, after letting them take a province (Spain had no army left) I duly added flames to the fire with my spies, spiking up a nice death stack that went bouncing round the Spanish south whilst nobel rebels bounced around the north. Spain collapsed down to Mellila, Madrid, Rourergue and Languedoc, the rest of its provinces became a restored Castille, a (catholic republic!) Granada OPM, and Algeria (conveniently already encircled by me).

So now, Galicia, Aragon, Navarra, Castile, Granada AND Spain all exist at the same time.... which is weird.

Since then Aragon/Castille/Navarra/Spain have entered into war with one another.

My question is this:

IF Aragon and Castille manage to eat up Spain, and then one eats the other, can they then form Spain (again)???

I mean, it sounds ridiculous, but maybe the game mechanism is just that... (Iberian nation x possesses a,b,c territories -> Can form Spain if Spain does not exist?)



(I note that I've used the verb to eat a lot in this post. Damn I'm hungry.)

[Hirosaki]

I should point out that this is an In Nomine game.... if that makes a difference.

[ByzCrusader]

Yep. This cycle could continue ad infinitum.

EDIT: In Nomine? Are unifications by event in IN? Because that might change it.

[Slym]

They were decisions by IN.

[Hirosaki]

Yep. This cycle could continue ad infinitum.

Woah. Mind=blown.

Portugal can form Spain right? So I could defeat Spain and then become Spain... that just hurts my head.

[Alanthiras]

Woah. Mind=blown.

Portugal can form Spain right? So I could defeat Spain and then become Spain... that just hurts my head.

And then you could release aragon, take a permanent trip to central europe, form the HRE, give the needed provinces to aragon who'd then form spain again. :3

[Emperor Hans]

To form spain its a requirement that Spain doesn't exist, so if it's killed, I see no reason why another country with the requirements cannot take it.

[I8Strudel]

To take this decision:
- Spain must not already exist and you may not be the Papal State or France.
- Primary culture must be in the Iberian or Basque culture group.
- You must own and have cores on Barcelona, Aragón, Castilla La Vieja, Salamanca, Andalucia, Toledo and Valencia.

So as you can see Granada & Navarra don't matter, everything you need starts in Castille & Aragon. Any Iberian nation, the Knights (Maltese is Iberian in EU3 because I don't know), and of course Basque nations (Navarra) who can also form France (hence you not being France as a requirement).

So once "Spain" is completely gone, any nation in the area could go and get the territories necessary (including yourself!)

Note to DW players: These are the In Nomine requirements. DW's only other requirements are that you're not the HRE and that you're at peace.

[Hirosaki]

(Maltese is Iberian in EU3 because I don't know)

I had to look it up, but apparently Malta was part of the crown of Aragon for some time. So I guess the culture would have taken on Iberian influences.

So once "Spain" is completely gone, any nation in the area could go and get the territories necessary (including yourself!)

So, for example, Spain in my game controls, and has core on Languedoc. If I were to conquer Spain, and all the required territories... then re-form Spain, would that core subsequently be inherited by me?

[I8Strudel]

I had to look it up, but apparently Malta was part of the crown of Aragon for some time. So I guess the culture would have taken on Iberian influences.



So, for example, Spain in my game controls, and has core on Languedoc. If I were to conquer Spain, and all the required territories... then re-form Spain, would that core subsequently be inherited by me?

Maybe. When a nation is completely wiped off the map, all of the cores that aren't of its primary culture group will go away too. This means that Spain's core on Languedoc will only remain if Languedoc has Iberian culture. It is possible that the province can change to Spain's primary culture (Castillian in this case), but with the AI you can't really guess if it will happen or not. The same goes with any other non-Iberian provinces they might have cored (including any Basque provinces). You will regain some cores on from the decision to form Spain, but Languedoc is not part of that event.

Also, I did not know that about Malta, so thanks for informing me on that.