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    Cool Darkest Hour December Special - December 10th

    Today you get to see some 1914 screens. I decided to post a picture of the Persian Gulf, since it is IMO one of the most accurate areas border-wise. The province borders fit just about every border change in the 20th century.

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    Wow, the ME seems so small and squished! But I think its becuase I'm used to the vanilla HoI2 map :P
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    Afghanistan and Tibet have too similar map colours...

    But nice screenshot, nonetheless.

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    Every border change you say? What about the Aqaba-random desert exchange between Jordan and Saudi Arabia in 1965? Saudi Arabia received a large inland desert area while Jordan was granted an extra 18 kilometers of coastline. I can't really see this properly on that map, but I suspect your map does not reflect the border as it was before the land exchange.
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    The timeline of the game ends in 1964, sorry!

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    Looking forward to this. Would I be right in saying that Cyprus is divided into two provinces? Even E3 didn't have that level of detail, despite including a province for Transnistria!

    Edit: also - is the Caspian sea now a proper sea rather than a lake? I see it has multiple sea provinces in it. If it is now a sea with ports, is there a link to the Black sea via the Volga?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ^_AC_^ View Post
    The timeline of the game ends in 1964, sorry!
    The 20th century doesn't.

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    The province borders fit just about every border change in the 20th century.
    ain't true in that regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samilou View Post
    The province borders fit just about every border change in the 20th century.
    ain't true in that regard.
    If we are going to nit-pick he did state that it does fit "just about every", which implies that it fits the vast majority but not all.

    EDIT: Amazing map btw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samilou View Post
    The 20th century doesn't.

    So

    The province borders fit just about every border change in the 20th century.
    ain't true in that regard.
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    Why isn't Afghanistan splitted into more provinces?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jolt View Post
    I have plenty of time to nitpick. And you have plenty of time to mock me. I did not just write it just for the purpose of proving someone wrong, I did it for the purpose of throwing in a little suggestion for an improvement to the map, righting a wrong is secondary and not important. Mocking people for not overwhelming the developers with praise (even though they sure deserve it!) creates a cold and inhospitable atmosphere in this forum, feedback and suggestions is much more important than encouragement, which I don't think they are in short supply of in this thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by It'satrap! View Post
    If we are going to nit-pick he did state that it does fit "just about every", which implies that it fits the vast majority but not all.
    ain't true in that regard.
    indicates that he was incorrect in the case of the 1965 Saudi-Jordani land exchange, so that is the "regard" I am referring to, it does not indicate that the actual statement "about all" is incorrect. Yes the English language can be incredibly unclear and complicated.


    I like this kind of discussions (nitpicking each other), but not when they don't turn bitter, so I hope you will all receive it well. The people involved with DH in particular, the last thing I want to do is to offend any of you or discourage you, but I admit that what I said can be misinterpreted as rude, but my intentions are good and this map is superior to anything else that has been created for a game. But in my opinion you should never give up and say something is perfect and shouldn't be improved when you have the chance to improve something with limited effort, never mind how minimal the improvement is. It is not that I will make a big deal out of it if you ignore my little suggestion. If you believe there are better things to spend developing time on, then please do so, because an outsider like me has very little of an insight into what is worthwhile for you or not.
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    is the yellowish long strip of land a puppet of the ottoman empire? cause i think the ottomans controlled the area in 1914

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    Quote Originally Posted by whatguts View Post
    is the yellowish long strip of land a puppet of the ottoman empire? cause i think the ottomans controlled the area in 1914
    There were several regions which were only officially subject to Ottoman Rule, while in reality they were fully independent entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samilou View Post
    There were several regions which were only officially subject to Ottoman Rule, while in reality they were fully independent entities.
    It should be a puppet or at least allied with the Ottomans in 1914, but not outright controlled (Sayyid Hussein bin Ali was appointed by the Ottomans as the Sharif of Mecca in 1908) and their were seperate Ottoman garrisons in the area as well but the Sharif will historically revolt and join the entente in 1916 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Revolt).
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