Artillery attack and patch 1.2

They are not useless because they draw their defence value from armies' defence modifiers. Namely first branch of army tech, machine guns from the second branch and some inventions in a bottom of artillery branch.

Palaiologos said:

As it happens technology only increases an artillery's attack value. Does that mean that arty regiments are made obsolete in defence? Or does the above patch change only applies to infantry and cavalry?

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It increases attack values of all units: Arty, Infantry and Cavallery.

Arty has no defence value at the beginning of the game, but the defence will even increase by special technologies or inventions like 'field fortifications' or 'point defence system' or 'machine gun'. The effects of this techs affect all units, too.

I also have a question to artillery attack value:

The manual says on page 90 regarding artillery: 'the first 3 days consists entirely of "Fire" combat'. I understand this sentence this way that if one side has no artillery the units of the other side can not return fire in this first 3 days. I did not see any 'artillery fire combat' at the beginning of a battle. There is just a clash and both sides suffer casualities. I know the 'fire and shock phase' has been turned off, hence the question is now: Is the attack value of artillery completely worthless?
Because in battles artillery units should fight from the rear rank and thus the 'support value' is added to the unit in front of it instead of the attack value.

For what is the attack value of artillery good for?

Granatenwerfer said:

For what is the attack value of artillery good for?

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For bringing high casualties to the table. E.g. in defence you are able to field in hte first line against enemy infantry of 12000 men your 12000 men. To futher your killing ability you add cavalry of all sorts to fill the first rank completely. Arty is added to multiple casualties of your enemies even more. Imagine that 3000 of enemy infantry will be faced with your 3000 inf, 6000 cav. (attack from both sides due two manouver value of both) and 3000 art.

It remains a quiestion whether artillery batteries support this 6000 cav. or not?

Just want to repeat the unanswered question:

For what is the attack value of artillery good for?

I think "support = 1.0" means that when in back row, artillery adds 100% of its attack and defence value to unit in direct front of it.

safferli said:

For attacking?

Plus, I think artillery adds half of its values to the front row troops.

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No, sorry, this is not true. From the English manual, page 91, this is only true in case of defending regarding the defence value of an arty unit.

Risa said:

I think "support = 1.0" means that when in back row, artillery adds 100% of its attack and defence value to unit in direct front of it.

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Yes, this is what I think, too, but that would mean the support value of arty is something like a modifier.
Regarding to the German manual (my English is not so good), page 90, there are no words about it is a modifier. If I understand the manual right, only the support value is added to the front unit in case of attacking. As the support value is always one I have the assumption behind this statement could be hide a bug.

Therefore it would be nice to have an exact answer from a developer from Paradox e.g. Peter Ebesen or something else.....