Magna Mundi Developer's Diary #2 - THE MAP: LOOKING BACK FIVE CENTURIES

[RhoDaZZ]

Switzerland has always been much more of a non-player than it ought to, in EU3 as in MM. It was very agressive during the 15th century, they even held on Milan for a while!

It should definitely have good defensive features and capabilities on it's own, but I agree with the sentiment that adding a unique system is not necessary (would be fun for a mod or Alpine/North Italian mini-scenario, though). The devs and the betas will probably find the right balance in terms of provinces (whether that is more than the mod's 2) and their value through testing and feedback, and I think the conclusions of that should overshadow pro or anti sentiments for the level of power for the Swiss. In the end plausibility is key.

[tuvix]

No

[ubik]

Please no more freaking provinces for Switzerland. I saw the screen of big EU Switzerland and there wasn't probably a part of map which i disliked more.

The Swiss confederation was small state in the middle of Europe which stayed neutral for most of the history. We already have too much provinces for the Low countries and Austria. Don't pump up Switzerland.

Maybe there's going to be one more to assuage Zolotaya's wrath and tastes.

I'll make a final call on it soon.

[Featauril]

It should definitely have good defensive features and capabilities on it's own, but I agree with the sentiment that adding a unique system is not necessary (would be fun for a mod or Alpine/North Italian mini-scenario, though). The devs and the betas will probably find the right balance in terms of provinces (whether that is more than the mod's 2) and their value through testing and feedback, and I think the conclusions of that should overshadow pro or anti sentiments for the level of power for the Swiss. In the end plausibility is key.

I just think there ought to be more than 2 gigantic provinces, if for no other reason that it makes conquest wonky. If you are France, you have to invade the eastern half first, than the western half!

Also, was Switzerland ever considered a member of the HRE, or do HRE mechanics apply to it only for balance reasons?

[ubik]

I just think there ought to be more than 2 gigantic provinces, if for no other reason that it makes conquest wonky. If you are France, you have to invade the eastern half first, than the western half!

Not anymore, you can claim capitals now and can claim an entire country in one go.

[Sir Iain]

I just think there ought to be more than 2 gigantic provinces, if for no other reason that it makes conquest wonky. If you are France, you have to invade the eastern half first, than the western half!

Also, was Switzerland ever considered a member of the HRE, or do HRE mechanics apply to it only for balance reasons?

Switzerland as such was not considered a member, but the individual "cantons" were.
For simplicity's sake, it's often stated that Switzerland became independent from the Empire in 1648, but that's not entirely true. The Swiss gradually seceded from the Empire in the course of a few hunderd years.

[Featauril]

Switzerland as such was not considered a member, but the individual "cantons" were.
For simplicity's sake, it's often stated that Switzerland became independent from the Empire in 1648, but that's not entirely true. The Swiss gradually seceded from the Empire in the course of a few hunderd years.

I've always been confused by Switzerland. It was not a state, correct? It was a loose alliance of rural and city counties with a shared interest in keeping the Hapsburg out. If memory serves, all the cantons were not technically allied to each other.

Who would have had the seat at the Reichstag? The cantons were not headed by feudal leaders or spiritual leaders but were ruled by communal law, no? Were they treated like the free cities?

[k_merse]

I just think there ought to be more than 2 gigantic provinces, if for no other reason that it makes conquest wonky.

But if they get more provinces that also means that they more likely start to conquer by themselves.

[Swedish Steel!]

I'm going insane here, checking the forum every 10-20 minutes to watch for something new. And all I get is talk about Switzerland's amount of provinces... get your map up and running so you can AAR!

[Featauril]

But if they get more provinces that also means that they more likely start to conquer by themselves.

Their neighbours are all HRE members, they aren't likely to recreate the exploits of Napoleon in the 15th century. Besides, the Swiss were quite aggressive back then, in the 15th century they expanded their borders in every direction. It's just that these border changes are too small to depict by province.

[anomanderus]

South America is the answer? But your location says lisbon, and South America is pretty badly drawn compared to Europe and North America.

[k_merse]

No, SA remains pretty much the same as it was in MMtM. It was a relatively out-of-sight area of the world back then, except of two short periods (first conquest and liberation movements).

[Marco Dandolo]

I think he is replying to the the first post

[Arbus]

South America is the answer? But your location says lisbon, and South America is pretty badly drawn compared to Europe and North America.

Look at the bottom of the post, it was writen by Andrés Munoz Jaramillo, the guy in charge of the map who happens to be colombian. I think South America is better drawn than Europe, but judging from his drawing skills, thank god he didn't drew the Magna Mundi map by hand! By the way, the final map will not be this one, the final map is 3x3 bigger, has different textures, and looks much different from this one (well not entirely, it is still the map of the planet earth, but still quite different).

[Arizael]

No, SA remains pretty much the same as it was in MMtM. It was a relatively out-of-sight area of the world back then, except of two short periods (first conquest and liberation movements).

Central or even Easter Europe? Balcans?

Oh wait you mean the correction of Portugal?

[ubik]

South America is the answer? But your location says lisbon, and South America is pretty badly drawn compared to Europe and North America.

The author of the developer diary was Strannik, who hails from Colombia.

[ubik]

Look at the bottom of the post, it was writen by Andrés Munoz Jaramillo, the guy in charge of the map who happens to be colombian. I think South America is better drawn than Europe, but judging from his drawing skills, thank god he didn't drew the Magna Mundi map by hand! By the way, the final map will not be this one, the final map is 3x3 bigger, has different textures, and looks much different from this one (well not entirely, it is still the map of the planet earth, but still quite different).

Don't mention we use only shades of red for land and shades of yellow for the sea... but hey, it's a big improvement over the present map!