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    Divine Wind - Developer Diary #8

    Trading Evolved

    As the expansion draws ever closer to being feature complete, tension is building in the office. Will we be done on time, will our new features be as fun when as we envisioned, will the fans appreciate them? While frantically working on putting the final pieces of the puzzle in place, I will take a moment to tell you a bit about what we worked on last week, namely Trade.

    One of the key features of Europa Universalis III is trade. The basic system involves Centers of Trade (CoT) that draw value from provinces, value of which the player can get a piece by sending merchants to the Center of Trade. As a central feature of the game it has gotten upgrades over the years, such as Trade Leagues and the ability to build new centers of trade. The time has now come for the next step in this evolution.

    The first thing we decided to take a look at was in which CoTs you can trade and how we handle the difference between being a Mercantilist or a Free Trader. The way it has worked up until now is that you could trade in any Center of Trade you had discovered, from which you weren't blocked. A Mercantilist got an increased compete chance in owned Centers of Trade, while a Free Trader got an increased compete chance everywhere else. Gaining physical control of more provinces gave you an advantage if the conquest made it into a CoT you owned, but if you didn't have your own CoT there wasn't much point in gaining good trading provinces.

    We've tried to change this by introducing two new concepts; Trade Range and a compete chance bonus for each province you own that is connected to the specific center. The first one is a range which works very similarly to Naval Range, but instead of influencing colonies it influences how far away a center of trade can be for you to trade in it. It also calculates range from your closest province, so that it now pays to control provinces in strategic places the world over. The second one means that the greater fraction of the value of a CoT you physically control, the greater chance you have of actually getting a piece of that value. We then rebalanced Mercantilism and Free Trade to work with these new concepts so that a Mercantilist gets an increased bonus for owning provinces while a Free Trader gets an increased base chance and longer range. In conclusion, all this means that you now have two distinct paths to gain access to the great wealth of trade; you can either take direct control over the rich provinces and protect that wealth through mercantilism (even if you don't happen to own every CoT in the neighborhood) or you can be a free trader and get a piece of the action everywhere.

    Now, while this is a fairly big step in evolving the existing trade system, it's not the only step we've taken. As you all know, each province has a specific trade goods which contributes to the CoT's value. The value, however, used to be the only difference between them and there was not really any reason for a naval nation to keep an eye on the naval supplies trade, not so any more. We've added a concept we call strategic resources, where each trade good brings a bonus. Naval Supplies for example will give you a bonus to naval force limit. So how do you get access to this bonus? The answer is of course trade. You need to have access to a certain fraction of the world market to get the bonus, and you do this by having a least one trade in CoTs representing this fraction of the market. If, say 10% of the worlds Naval Supplies are traded out of Riga and you have at least one trader there, you have access to 10% and so on. We believe this will give a new dimension to trading even if you aren't one of the top five trading nations in the world. You will need to make sure you keep an eye on those pesky ex-vikings up north that start to put their hands on the Naval Supplies provinces around the Baltic Sea; with all those in the hands of one nation what would a sudden embargo do to your Grand Fleet?

    Finally, we added one last feature that uses the trade goods, namely the concept of Trade and Production leader. This means that if you are the nation that either controls the majority of the world production (by owning the provinces) or the world trade (by gaining access via trading) of a certain good, you will get a bonus. It's not a major bonus but we believe it's enough to bring yet another area of conflict and competition to the game and new areas of conflict increase replayability even more.
    That's it for this time so until next week, Play Safe.

    Thomas Johansson
    Associate Producer and Project Lead on Europa Universalis III: Divine Wind
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    Woooh, reading time!
    And it's a long one.

    Finished reading.
    I like this overhaul. It's sufficiently extensive to change how trade works.

    Will there be a Trade Range map mode?
    Last edited by Romtos; 03-11-2010 at 13:45.

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    So you've made trade in EU3 more advanced than in V2.

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    Strategic resources - hooray! I hope, I hope, that you will include horses, and make that a big factor in how much cavalry one can field.
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    Sounds promising, can't say yet though if this ideas are well balanced enough. Right now I imagine that Mercantilism and Greater Nations should gain a certain advantage, compared to pre-DW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeDub View Post
    So you've made trade in EU3 more advanced than in V2.
    I wanted to say you shouldn't be ridiculous, but then I realized you're right.
    EU3 has now regional markets where V2 doesn't.

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    Is it allowed to say that the Province "Memel" is situated wrong.
    It should be the part of "Ostpreussen" between the River and the
    northern border of "Ostpreussen" in the screen? If not, please ignore.

    Now I'll read deaper ...

    EDIT:

    so that it now pays to control provinces in strategic places the world over
    Great
    This means that if you are the nation that either controls the majority of the world production (by owning the provinces) or the world trade (by gaining access via trading) of a certain good, you will get a bonus
    Great ^^

    Is there a new section in the statistics or do we have to hover over a province to find out who's the leader in which good?

    EDIT2:
    w00t, trade range, it's so amazing, even after the 2nd read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besuchov View Post
    the difference between being a Mercantilist or a Tree Trader.
    Lol Tree Trader xD sry i had to point that one out
    But hey im gonna just love this new trade system
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    It still isn't too late to overhaul diplomacy...

    Peace resolution: Give province X to country Y. C'mon guys. We've been asking for this one since like before EU3 was even published.
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    I hope that the trade range starts at an adequate level. I don't want to be blocked from trading in anything farther away than Lübeck as Holland at game start.

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    Definitely cool additions. Trade has always been an important part of EU3, but it always felt quite one-dimensional because there weren't all that many ways to directly influence it apart from sending merchants. This changes that.

    Are trade leagues made more important as well? It seems there's a lot of potential with leagues trying to corner whole markets for themselves and a few additional advantages for leading a successful league (which is sadly a lot less useful than being a member in one at the moment).

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    Two whishes:

    1. Give us tradegood price graphs. So we can see the development of the values of the different tradegoods. For example for Protugal it is important to know how the slave market evolves.

    2. Make spicetrade more important. By now spice is just another tradegood. Hopefully you have included a bonus for controlling 50% of the world spice production...

    Great Diary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by delra View Post
    It still isn't too late to overhaul diplomacy...

    Peace resolution: Give province X to country Y. C'mon guys. We've been asking for this one since like before EU3 was even published.
    Yes, that's reallt necessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phelan View Post
    2. Make spicetrade more important. By now spice is just another tradegood. Hopefully you have included a bonus for controlling 50% of the world spice production...
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    This sound pretty good!
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    Fantastic dev diary! I was disappointed with the last one as I felt the changes were merely cosmetic, but the changes announced this week are substantive and will add a new element to the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Besuchov View Post
    Trading Evolved
    We've added a concept we call strategic resources, where each trade good brings a bonus.
    Now Exactly how EU:Rome-like are these bonuses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degskalle View Post
    I hope that the trade range starts at an adequate level. I don't want to be blocked from trading in anything farther away than Lübeck as Holland at game start.
    Lets see it another way around. If you're Genoa, you definitely expect to be trading in Lisbon. If you're Portugal, you definitely expect to be trading in Liguria.
    I think that Nations with a positive slider in Naval will be able to reach considerably farther than landlock nations.



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    These changes are the best I've seen so far in regards to this expansion. I can see trade range giving good advantages to certain historical trading nations situated in advantageous locations, so that geographical positions matter as much as slider positions.

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    Amazing. Now trading will be more complex (and thus much more fun) than just "check compete chance at richest CoTs and send 5 merchants to each". Even using up ducats to send traders to weaker CoTs will very likely be worth it.

    But for the love of god

    Quote Originally Posted by delra View Post
    It still isn't too late to overhaul diplomacy...

    Peace resolution: Give province X to country Y. C'mon guys. We've been asking for this one since like before EU3 was even published.
    this.

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